Well, the same thing can be said for the much older Excelsior. But there it sits anyways, even a fleet version now.
That said, you are right in that he's nuts.
Well I wouldn't call the Excelsior superior, I mean she is a good ship but she has her ups and downs. 3 Engineering ensigns kinda sucks and depending on what you want out of your cruiser there are some versatile options.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
the enterprise d galaxy class would have faired only a little better if any better agained 4 romulan war birds then the enterprise c did. difference it might have the galaxy class take the romulans as prisioners instead of the romulans taking starfleet personal as prisioners.
has both enterprises c and d gone back to fight the romulans in 2344 would have made a larger mess of the time line.
kinda like the nero/naranda ship/spock paradox that created the jj star trek seprate univers is totally different the the prime star trek univers with 20 to 30% larger ships with more powerful and weapons and technolgy.
i imangine that if both entperprise c and d when to fight the romulans in 2344 the romulans would have lost all 4 ships. Starfleet would have sped up the developement of the galaxy class and work on upgrade before the galaxy class were to go into production. While updating all starships expecially ambassador class and newer ships with the galaxy class type 22 years more advanced knowlege and work on larger ships like the star trek online odysey class for about late 2367.
we do not know enough about the yesterdays enterprise d history time line or how jj is going to develope his time line. the enterprise c time travle jump forward in time could be link in some way to the nero/spock/naranda ship backwards time and univers jump?
What pertinence does this have to this thread in any way shape or form?
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Well I wouldn't call the Excelsior superior, I mean she is a good ship but she has her ups and downs. 3 Engineering ensigns kinda sucks and depending on what you want out of your cruiser there are some versatile options.
Good point there. Even so, it's very solid still. Other choices of course, but to me the Excelsior has always been the 'rugged' design that stood the test of time. It's a ship that may not be versatile like a lot of other ships, but you know the Excelsior will carry you through.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
No it's not. Only hardcore ambassador class lovers would bother with this ship if that was the console and bridge officer layout. 2 tac consoles and TRIBBLE tac officer layout is a fail.. Reminds me of the star cruiser, which btw is arguably the worst cruiser fedside. I'd rather a layout similar to the excelsior, but instead of that ensign engineer make it ensign science and lower the turn rate. Make the console layout 3, 3, 3. Then it would be worth using.
i would agree. cruisers need a little more power in the weapons (tac) department.. ive seen a steady decrease in the amount of cruisers being used. everyone is using escorts, since this is stardps online lol...
also, canon wise, this ship ushered in alot of new weapons features, such as the phaser strips, and spit fire torpedoes, (meaning a single tube could fire multiple torps at once, unlike the connie and the excelsior firing one at a time, with slow reloads...
the above, and the fact that they were able to hold off the romulans assault alone long enouph to save most of the colony means this ship could stand in a fight.. i think less sci abilities, and more engineer and tac is more what this ship should be.. i believe they refered to the ship as a work horse in one of the shows. further more, i assume this was the big boy ship (largest and probably most powerfull all around) until the galaxy replaced it..
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
the system targeting might be related the the weapong system for the ambassador class?
i could live with this sset up but change the univeral ensign to a liutantent
(Originally Posted by ussboleyn)
Hull: 40k
Shields: 1.2
Weapons: 4/4
Crew: 850
Boffs:
- Eng Com
- Sci Lt com
- Eng Lt
- Tac Lt
- Uni Ens
Devices: 4
Consoles: Eng 4, Sci 3, Tac 2
Turn: 8
Power: +10 Aux, +10 Shields
Subsystem Targeting
Lol, this is the weirdest subject ever, I'm surprised that it's still going.
It starts out about a ship and then it gets into fan rage and then it splits into faction rage then returns to a ship.
I say keep plugging away, one voice is as heard as a million.
I'm not really sure why people are arguing over the mere notion of another ship in a game thats dominated by ships. That's like asking why is there more costumes and horses and armor and weapons in a medieval mmo. O don't know... maybe because it's a medieval mmo.... that may be it
They will always come out with ships.
This is why we as A COMMUNITY BOTH SIDES KDF AND FED can't get anything in this game because we are constantly bickering ******** and moaning in our knitting circles over the most asinine stuff and then when cryptic gives you something that's in the middle of no mans land absolutely garbage you have the unmitigated gull, the unabashed audacity to join together hand in hand in your koombiya circles and talk about how Cryptic gives you crappy content, how pwe is a money grubbing magnate and don't care about both sides, when they are giving you exactly what you are complaining about and care enough to listen to both sides and give you something in tyhe middle! If no ones happy then i think they did a pretty good damn job giving you something you should't have asked for in the first place but waited until they were ready to make it, like they did the Breen and the Bug and my god we all know those ships are going to be uber class.... and have the nerve to complain about something with a straight face. If it's not KDF Vs FED it's PVE vs PVP, of it's not pvp vs PVE its F2p vs P2W, when the hell is it over?
And who are we as warring factions that are't exactly warring ever to tell another faction what they can and cannot build, how they can and cannot build. i have never heard of that in anything other then these online games. A cruiser is a battle ship, if it can't take aggro then what use is it? We all know thet TC is broken and high DPS get's the aggro pure and simple so what's the problem with buffing it's dps out put to make it into a weapon? If you don't like it then get a cruiser, dam, evolve at some point with the game instead of saying, no no you can't do that it will mess up my build. It's ridiculous as if in war we have some accord that says you ca't have this this and this. As if you paying a few dollars for something that YOU wanted that benefits NO ONE BUT YOU gives you the ultimate power to tell someone else what they want, what they wish for, what they think would make the game interesting to them and for them cause they pat the same tolls you do. Learn to add and subtract from a persons build or ideas without belittling and subjugating them. We all have a right to be heard but to fill the world with abstract douchebaggery is by far the biggest problem in games. as if you saying no will stop it.
And this gets me most, KDF needs content, sure why not, don't have a problem with that. KDF starts out at lvl 20 fine, they get all the dil, eeeer sure i guess, and they have the best ships uh oh. FEDS have like a million ships and still have not caught up (Mainly because startrek was about the FEDS, never seen an season where it was from a klink pov or a borg pov or anyone's pov other then the feds and 90% of the paying pop is fed so business wise i would cater to feds, it's not about being fair or being right, it's about being profitable.) Hell you can have the rest of my content, i'm not using it. I only did the episodes and was done with that part of my STO life. I for one have no problem with giving Klinks more toys long as i can pocket 8k Dil a day i'll call it even. hell give them about 80% of the fed ships they covet so much in exchange since only 5% are actually usable. Call their blufff and take their power and watch how fast they say we don't want that TRIBBLE. I have no problem with giving both sides more and more but the problem is it becomes fan-fiction and no longer what the creator intend. So while we are bickering back in forth over who deserves what and when, remember that you are trampling all over your favorite authors work in your own greed to one up each other and to me, i'm not even into star trek other then the pretty lights, and I know deep down inside as a writer that i'd shed tears and roll over in my grave if I saw half of this TRIBBLE.
That is all.... now back to dicussing your ship idea's ON BOTH SIDES... thank you
Lol, this is the weirdest subject ever, I'm surprised that it's still going.
It starts out about a ship and then it gets into fan rage and then it splits into faction rage then returns to a ship.
I say keep plugging away, one voice is as heard as a million.
I'm not really sure why people are arguing over the mere notion of another ship in a game thats dominated by ships. That's like asking why is there more costumes and horses and armor and weapons in a medieval mmo. O don't know... maybe because it's a medieval mmo.... that may be it
They will always come out with ships.
This is why we as A COMMUNITY BOTH SIDES KDF AND FED can't get anything in this game because we are constantly bickering ******** and moaning in our knitting circles over the most asinine stuff and then when cryptic gives you something that's in the middle of no mans land absolutely garbage you have the unmitigated gull, the unabashed audacity to join together hand in hand in your koombiya circles and talk about how Cryptic gives you crappy content, how pwe is a money grubbing magnate and don't care about both sides, when they are giving you exactly what you are complaining about and care enough to listen to both sides and give you something in tyhe middle! If no ones happy then i think they did a pretty good damn job giving you something you should't have asked for in the first place but waited until they were ready to make it, like they did the Breen and the Bug and my god we all know those ships are going to be uber class.... and have the nerve to complain about something with a straight face. If it's not KDF Vs FED it's PVE vs PVP, of it's not pvp vs PVE its F2p vs P2W, when the hell is it over?
And who are we as warring factions that are't exactly warring ever to tell another faction what they can and cannot build, how they can and cannot build. i have never heard of that in anything other then these online games. A cruiser is a battle ship, if it can't take aggro then what use is it? We all know thet TC is broken and high DPS get's the aggro pure and simple so what's the problem with buffing it's dps out put to make it into a weapon? If you don't like it then get a cruiser, dam, evolve at some point with the game instead of saying, no no you can't do that it will mess up my build. It's ridiculous as if in war we have some accord that says you ca't have this this and this. As if you paying a few dollars for something that YOU wanted that benefits NO ONE BUT YOU gives you the ultimate power to tell someone else what they want, what they wish for, what they think would make the game interesting to them and for them cause they pat the same tolls you do. Learn to add and subtract from a persons build or ideas without belittling and subjugating them. We all have a right to be heard but to fill the world with abstract douchebaggery is by far the biggest problem in games. as if you saying no will stop it.
And this gets me most, KDF needs content, sure why not, don't have a problem with that. KDF starts out at lvl 20 fine, they get all the dil, eeeer sure i guess, and they have the best ships uh oh. FEDS have like a million ships and still have not caught up (Mainly because startrek was about the FEDS, never seen an season where it was from a klink pov or a borg pov or anyone's pov other then the feds and 90% of the paying pop is fed so business wise i would cater to feds, it's not about being fair or being right, it's about being profitable.) Hell you can have the rest of my content, i'm not using it. I only did the episodes and was done with that part of my STO life. I for one have no problem with giving Klinks more toys long as i can pocket 8k Dil a day i'll call it even. hell give them about 80% of the fed ships they covet so much in exchange since only 5% are actually usable. Call their blufff and take their power and watch how fast they say we don't want that TRIBBLE. I have no problem with giving both sides more and more but the problem is it becomes fan-fiction and no longer what the creator intend. So while we are bickering back in forth over who deserves what and when, remember that you are trampling all over your favorite authors work in your own greed to one up each other and to me, i'm not even into star trek other then the pretty lights, and I know deep down inside as a writer that i'd shed tears and roll over in my grave if I saw half of this TRIBBLE.
That is all.... now back to dicussing your ship idea's ON BOTH SIDES... thank you
+2 internets for you sir.
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Why all the hate for this one ship I'll never figure out. The major gripes should have been about all the temporal ships which have no place in canon(Or this game) at all, but no one complained about them.
I'm going to run the ship I want regardless if Johnny Starship Captain rants about how bad it is. They don't like it, that's what ignore is for.
As for the Ambassador, cruisers really need to make a comeback as the battleships of the fleet. So I'm hoping for a little more from the C Store version that will be released after they give a free taste to everyone with the basic ship giveaway.(Like they did with the Odyssey.)
As for balance, escort ships should be all offense with basic defense. Like a Borg cube, they should be hard on the outside, soft on the inside. They should not be at the top of the food chain. They should be quick strike and get out of dodge. Not, lets tank this tactical cube point blank without moving and then survive its explosion after its destroyed and fly on to the next one, then rinse and repeat because its so OP.
This is one of the major problems with PvP. Nothing is balanced like it should be.
Maybe if the ambassador class needs be a be a tank with strong fire power it should come with 10 weapon slots??
Only ships that should have more than 8 weapons slots should be for battleships, which the Ambassador should not be. Maybe having a unique weapon slots that gives a weapon a 360' arc would be more appropriate.
Only ships that should have more than 8 weapons slots should be for battleships, which the Ambassador should not be.
After all, if the Sovereign, Galaxy, and Odyssey class cruisers don't get 10 weapons (and they are newer and canonically more heavily armed than the Ambassador) why should the Ambassador, except to preserve the dauntless march of power creep?
Why all the hate for this one ship I'll never figure out. The major gripes should have been about all the temporal ships which have no place in canon(Or this game) at all, but no one complained about them.
I'm going to run the ship I want regardless if Johnny Starship Captain rants about how bad it is. They don't like it, that's what ignore is for.
As for the Ambassador, cruisers really need to make a comeback as the battleships of the fleet. So I'm hoping for a little more from the C Store version that will be released after they give a free taste to everyone with the basic ship giveaway.(Like they did with the Odyssey.)
As for balance, escort ships should be all offense with basic defense. Like a Borg cube, they should be hard on the outside, soft on the inside. They should not be at the top of the food chain. They should be quick strike and get out of dodge. Not, lets tank this tactical cube point blank without moving and then survive its explosion after its destroyed and fly on to the next one, then rinse and repeat because its so OP.
This is one of the major problems with PvP. Nothing is balanced like it should be.
My 'hate' is directed at ANY new Federation ships. I don't care what it is. You lot already have enough ships, as I've said elsewhere.
You. Don't. Effing. Need. More. Effing. Ships. Get used to not having a shiny new toy to throw money at every 1-2 months.
The KDF faction should be the focus. It's supposedly the focus for S8, so it should be getting the bulk of all resources (including ship-designing resources), at least for the S8 period. Put the effing Fed faction in maintenance mode for a while. Bring the KDF faction up to par before throwing more toys at the Federation.
Of course, that's always been far too much to ask. So Cryptic will just TRIBBLE around with giving the KDF crumbs while allowing the Federation to retain the edge in development and content, and thus the bulk of the playerbase. And Federation petaQ'pu will mock the KDF for complaining about being dumped on.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
lol, if you hate something because you're naturally a hater then thats fine.
I can dig that, a KDF that hates FEDS there are some FEDS that hate KDF and they could be like best friends irl but on the game they just dislike each other which is kinda stupid since kdf isn't that high on the universal threat meter.
But you do know star trek is about FEDS right? everything else is just side bar. Even if you do have your language and a bit of history you're no different then the borg or the orcs or souleaters, or whatever in another type of setting. I mean I'm not sure but Klinks were big in the original story now they aren't much of a threat to the FEDS so much as an annoying neighbor.,,, that just happen to steal alot.... a lot lot.... i mean like they will steal your ship and paint it red and pretend its always been that way and be like "Keep it moving *****, theres nothing to see here." Lol they are like the guy who would steal you wallet and then help you look for it.
But I can get where you're coming from. I don't even like a quarter of what the feds do, i think they are sneaky and self serving while smiling in your face and stabbing you in the back. Klinks do the same thing but they kinda let you know it's coming beforehand. Yet I would never be Klink because I am a born Hero complex, my FED is my Hero-self and no matter how hard I try I can't get away from my Hero-self. I don't have to agree to the politics of a side to honor my code to that side.
But anywho, you do know whatever they make on the klink side will be total fan-fiction and could prolly be dubbed on the foundry, right?
What I don't get is I don't think you are understanding the precarious perch you are sitting on atm, what you are preaching though it may look good is basically a doomsday prophesy for your people. Klinks are strong because they are a small faction so their ships and toys have to be powerful and elite even if the captain is two quarters o the wind garbage, atleast the ship can say dam, least I tried. But the moment you get all the gamers to rally to your cause within days weeks or a month top the power will shift and kdf's worthless ships will some how find some way to become nerfed or the FED ships will become buffed. These are all plausible scenarios, maybe Janeway comes back in time again or spock or picard plays a flute, or FEDs high ups will be alarmed and say TRIBBLE diplomacy load that mother up with some new tech and weapons and get that TRIBBLE, and don't forget the undine are in feds as they are in klink higher ups and they do hate them some klinks, hell even Q might do something weird and all of a sudden FED ships that were laughable will start shredding KDF ships and I'm betting you sir prophet of doom for your own people will be the first to call foul, in which then i will go into the archives and bring this quote back and say, well atleast you are a prophet, right?
It would take a lot to get me back into Cruisers, the Breen ship might just do it. So, along those lines lets think crazy (it's never going to happen anyway).
Bonus console - No weapon drain from BO & reduces FAW to a single target while reducing FAW damage by 20% (or something like that). It may be crazy, but it would be dam fun to fly.
You know this game is as much Star Trek as Star Fleet Battles was, right?
You know, the Star Trek-based IP that wasn't even allowed to use the Star Trek name?
The IP that Starfleet Command was based on?
Stop using that argument. It's stupid. This game isn't Star Trek. It's "Fashion Show And Spaceships Online"..
I can admittedly say I did not know that, anything past the pretty lights and I usually walk away. I truly thought it was based off the movies and the shows and the books and such so I argued my points through that misunderstanding.
If it's not star trek then that definitely ruins every ones argument to have Carriers or boffs or abilities or costumes or anything, actually just that statement alone would make every argument players have on these forums sorta asinine. If players stop harking back to star trek then there would be no argument over who has carriers or what a cruiser is or should be. Or Cannon, or any of that stuff, In fact the only legitimate argument would be pve content on the red side as opposed to the blue. So in essence we should stop referring to ourselves as FEDS or KDFS and go back to like RED or BLUE.
I suppose that would be the best way to go about it, just change the names a bit and give both sides the same things and let them go at it instead of dividing lines and such, maybe thats what we should be discussing, such as names, factions, and lore so we can make this into what it really is if it's not star trek and just a knock off... it's like a bootleg. So to that extent you would be right but this is a dangerous statement that while it may be true (I can't say something is true until I verify t) could unravel the whole STO universe.
At that point, you just join the KDF and fly a BoP. . .because that's nearly identical to a BoP, just one extra eng console, 2 more rear weapon slots, and one less Boffslot.
Also, you can have our all-universal boffslot setup over our cold, dead bodies.
Who said all universal had to be exclusive to KDF? There is not tech manuals that say. If you want cold dead bodies, that can be arranged. ;-)
It would take a lot to get me back into Cruisers, the Breen ship might just do it. So, along those lines lets think crazy (it's never going to happen anyway).
Bonus console - No weapon drain from BO & reduces FAW to a single target while reducing FAW damage by 20% (or something like that). It may be crazy, but it would be dam fun to fly.
Dude, thats a complete escort, you won't be able to tank with that. The Devs did state in the video that it will be a cruiser for sure because it is one of the Enterprises. Come up with a cruiser like layout that has more than two Eng consoles.
Who said all universal had to be exclusive to KDF? There is not tech manuals that say. If you want cold dead bodies, that can be arranged. ;-)
Going on that logic, then there's no reason not to let KDF have more sci ships or more ships with 5 consoles, because there's nothing that says they shouldn't have those either.
Also, he, R37, did say he was gonna 'think crazy' about that Ambassador spec.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Assault Cruiser would be the term I would use for it.
It's has a Sci/Tac focus rather then the typical Eng focus. No cannons, pure beam boat with extra damage (Console + Tac boffs). It dose have a lower shield mod & much lower hull then the average Cruiser, but the flexibility of the science slots helps to offsets that problem, and don't forget that the 10+ Eng bonus gives you a higher Def rating.
As for tank, TSSx2 & HEx2 + 1 Flavour skill or PH, and you still have EP:Sx2 & RSP/AP:SIF - 4 Science consoles to buff your heals, or your shield. If you can't survive with that at your disposal then it's not the ship that's the problem.
Lol, why do we keep calling cruisers flagships? They aren't, atleast not these ships?
Flagships are the biggest baddest boldest mofos in the fleet and cruisers are not these. Flagships can not only take the punishment they can dole it out in spades, infact, they deal more punishment then they can take. They were the jewels in the crowns of navies. The Spanish Dragon & Trinidad flagship, The Bellfast, The Bismark, the Enterprise, The Queen Anne, the list goes and on, these were flagships, they were op as hell and they had to be they were the statement of a culture saying this is what we have if you cross us, if you don't want to die then let us live in peace. The had total command of the seas and the armies and the flags of the attack patterns waved from them to let the others know what to do
No cruiser, none is able to bite anything other then the dust. Hell I can kill one in 20 seconds top with my eyes closed and prolly 10 if I just don't like your name. I think they should make an op Battleship i mean go ape **** with the consoles, like 2 commander everything's, 10 weapons layouts push it to 150, hull 100k shield mods like like crazy and do it for all the factions just go crazy on this thing and give it TEAM wide commands like
"All ships begin the assault" For 45 seconds all ships gain +25 energy to weapons a stack-able 10% to weapon damage and 3# bleed though.
"All ships take up defensive positions" For 45 seconds all ships have +25 to shield energy and 15% hull and shield resistance and 200/1 regen
"All ships Evasive maneuvers" For 45 seconds players have +25 to engine power can reach impulse speed of 30 and evasive raises by 15% and resistance increases by 10%
Then give it a passive like Go big or go home, or Pride of the Federation or whatever and give a passive heal and damage to all ships on the team because they know with her on the feild their chances of winning raises exponentially.
Then like make it 300-500 dollars to own to limit the numbers to hardcore gamers or fools and then just let it be, would I buy one? yes, yes I would, because I believe I deserve pretty things
If both sides had this behemoth on a battle field then lord knows a pvp battle will prolly last 10-20 minutes before the first kill lol it would be epic
But that ladies and gentlemen is a flag ship, op and can take on a team on it's own! That is a flagship
a hybirde tactial/science 2 liutantent commander each cruiser would be something different in star trek online. the perfect cruiser to be a hybird tactial/science is the ambassador class. yes a tactial/science might only have one chief engineneering commander or even captian chief engineneering officer. the tactial/science cruiser hull be something like 40,500 base hull that naturally 30% resinstant to all damage types so only 2 engineneering consoles are needed and a single strong level engineneering officer with 4 or 5 abilities.
tactial/science 4 consoles each
enginerring 2 console slots
weapon slots either one of the following
4f/4a,
5f/3a,
or someting different 3f/5a weapon slots.
end game star trek cruiser so far must have 8 weapon slots but the 4f/4a after three years maybe it is time to offer cruisers with a different weapon slot numbers forward and aft options but still equaling to total of 8 weapons count
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Well I wouldn't call the Excelsior superior, I mean she is a good ship but she has her ups and downs. 3 Engineering ensigns kinda sucks and depending on what you want out of your cruiser there are some versatile options.
What pertinence does this have to this thread in any way shape or form?
Good point there. Even so, it's very solid still. Other choices of course, but to me the Excelsior has always been the 'rugged' design that stood the test of time. It's a ship that may not be versatile like a lot of other ships, but you know the Excelsior will carry you through.
Shields: 1.2
Weapons: 4/4
Crew: 850
Boffs:
- Eng Com
- Sci Lt com
- Eng Lt
- Tac Lt
- Uni Ens
Devices: 4
Consoles: Eng 4, Sci 3, Tac 2
Turn: 8
Power: +10 Aux, +10 Shields
Subsystem Targeting
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i would agree. cruisers need a little more power in the weapons (tac) department.. ive seen a steady decrease in the amount of cruisers being used. everyone is using escorts, since this is stardps online lol...
also, canon wise, this ship ushered in alot of new weapons features, such as the phaser strips, and spit fire torpedoes, (meaning a single tube could fire multiple torps at once, unlike the connie and the excelsior firing one at a time, with slow reloads...
the above, and the fact that they were able to hold off the romulans assault alone long enouph to save most of the colony means this ship could stand in a fight.. i think less sci abilities, and more engineer and tac is more what this ship should be.. i believe they refered to the ship as a work horse in one of the shows. further more, i assume this was the big boy ship (largest and probably most powerfull all around) until the galaxy replaced it..
Interesting choices with such a high shield modifier, and giving it Subsystem Targeting. Mind if I ask why?
i could live with this sset up but change the univeral ensign to a liutantent
(Originally Posted by ussboleyn)
Hull: 40k
Shields: 1.2
Weapons: 4/4
Crew: 850
Boffs:
- Eng Com
- Sci Lt com
- Eng Lt
- Tac Lt
- Uni Ens
Devices: 4
Consoles: Eng 4, Sci 3, Tac 2
Turn: 8
Power: +10 Aux, +10 Shields
Subsystem Targeting
It starts out about a ship and then it gets into fan rage and then it splits into faction rage then returns to a ship.
I say keep plugging away, one voice is as heard as a million.
I'm not really sure why people are arguing over the mere notion of another ship in a game thats dominated by ships. That's like asking why is there more costumes and horses and armor and weapons in a medieval mmo. O don't know... maybe because it's a medieval mmo.... that may be it
They will always come out with ships.
This is why we as A COMMUNITY BOTH SIDES KDF AND FED can't get anything in this game because we are constantly bickering ******** and moaning in our knitting circles over the most asinine stuff and then when cryptic gives you something that's in the middle of no mans land absolutely garbage you have the unmitigated gull, the unabashed audacity to join together hand in hand in your koombiya circles and talk about how Cryptic gives you crappy content, how pwe is a money grubbing magnate and don't care about both sides, when they are giving you exactly what you are complaining about and care enough to listen to both sides and give you something in tyhe middle! If no ones happy then i think they did a pretty good damn job giving you something you should't have asked for in the first place but waited until they were ready to make it, like they did the Breen and the Bug and my god we all know those ships are going to be uber class.... and have the nerve to complain about something with a straight face. If it's not KDF Vs FED it's PVE vs PVP, of it's not pvp vs PVE its F2p vs P2W, when the hell is it over?
And who are we as warring factions that are't exactly warring ever to tell another faction what they can and cannot build, how they can and cannot build. i have never heard of that in anything other then these online games. A cruiser is a battle ship, if it can't take aggro then what use is it? We all know thet TC is broken and high DPS get's the aggro pure and simple so what's the problem with buffing it's dps out put to make it into a weapon? If you don't like it then get a cruiser, dam, evolve at some point with the game instead of saying, no no you can't do that it will mess up my build. It's ridiculous as if in war we have some accord that says you ca't have this this and this. As if you paying a few dollars for something that YOU wanted that benefits NO ONE BUT YOU gives you the ultimate power to tell someone else what they want, what they wish for, what they think would make the game interesting to them and for them cause they pat the same tolls you do. Learn to add and subtract from a persons build or ideas without belittling and subjugating them. We all have a right to be heard but to fill the world with abstract douchebaggery is by far the biggest problem in games. as if you saying no will stop it.
And this gets me most, KDF needs content, sure why not, don't have a problem with that. KDF starts out at lvl 20 fine, they get all the dil, eeeer sure i guess, and they have the best ships uh oh. FEDS have like a million ships and still have not caught up (Mainly because startrek was about the FEDS, never seen an season where it was from a klink pov or a borg pov or anyone's pov other then the feds and 90% of the paying pop is fed so business wise i would cater to feds, it's not about being fair or being right, it's about being profitable.) Hell you can have the rest of my content, i'm not using it. I only did the episodes and was done with that part of my STO life. I for one have no problem with giving Klinks more toys long as i can pocket 8k Dil a day i'll call it even. hell give them about 80% of the fed ships they covet so much in exchange since only 5% are actually usable. Call their blufff and take their power and watch how fast they say we don't want that TRIBBLE. I have no problem with giving both sides more and more but the problem is it becomes fan-fiction and no longer what the creator intend. So while we are bickering back in forth over who deserves what and when, remember that you are trampling all over your favorite authors work in your own greed to one up each other and to me, i'm not even into star trek other then the pretty lights, and I know deep down inside as a writer that i'd shed tears and roll over in my grave if I saw half of this TRIBBLE.
That is all.... now back to dicussing your ship idea's ON BOTH SIDES... thank you
+2 internets for you sir.
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I'm going to run the ship I want regardless if Johnny Starship Captain rants about how bad it is. They don't like it, that's what ignore is for.
As for the Ambassador, cruisers really need to make a comeback as the battleships of the fleet. So I'm hoping for a little more from the C Store version that will be released after they give a free taste to everyone with the basic ship giveaway.(Like they did with the Odyssey.)
As for balance, escort ships should be all offense with basic defense. Like a Borg cube, they should be hard on the outside, soft on the inside. They should not be at the top of the food chain. They should be quick strike and get out of dodge. Not, lets tank this tactical cube point blank without moving and then survive its explosion after its destroyed and fly on to the next one, then rinse and repeat because its so OP.
This is one of the major problems with PvP. Nothing is balanced like it should be.
Only ships that should have more than 8 weapons slots should be for battleships, which the Ambassador should not be. Maybe having a unique weapon slots that gives a weapon a 360' arc would be more appropriate.
After all, if the Sovereign, Galaxy, and Odyssey class cruisers don't get 10 weapons (and they are newer and canonically more heavily armed than the Ambassador) why should the Ambassador, except to preserve the dauntless march of power creep?
My 'hate' is directed at ANY new Federation ships. I don't care what it is. You lot already have enough ships, as I've said elsewhere.
You. Don't. Effing. Need. More. Effing. Ships. Get used to not having a shiny new toy to throw money at every 1-2 months.
The KDF faction should be the focus. It's supposedly the focus for S8, so it should be getting the bulk of all resources (including ship-designing resources), at least for the S8 period. Put the effing Fed faction in maintenance mode for a while. Bring the KDF faction up to par before throwing more toys at the Federation.
Of course, that's always been far too much to ask. So Cryptic will just TRIBBLE around with giving the KDF crumbs while allowing the Federation to retain the edge in development and content, and thus the bulk of the playerbase. And Federation petaQ'pu will mock the KDF for complaining about being dumped on.
I can dig that, a KDF that hates FEDS there are some FEDS that hate KDF and they could be like best friends irl but on the game they just dislike each other which is kinda stupid since kdf isn't that high on the universal threat meter.
But you do know star trek is about FEDS right? everything else is just side bar. Even if you do have your language and a bit of history you're no different then the borg or the orcs or souleaters, or whatever in another type of setting. I mean I'm not sure but Klinks were big in the original story now they aren't much of a threat to the FEDS so much as an annoying neighbor.,,, that just happen to steal alot.... a lot lot.... i mean like they will steal your ship and paint it red and pretend its always been that way and be like "Keep it moving *****, theres nothing to see here." Lol they are like the guy who would steal you wallet and then help you look for it.
But I can get where you're coming from. I don't even like a quarter of what the feds do, i think they are sneaky and self serving while smiling in your face and stabbing you in the back. Klinks do the same thing but they kinda let you know it's coming beforehand. Yet I would never be Klink because I am a born Hero complex, my FED is my Hero-self and no matter how hard I try I can't get away from my Hero-self. I don't have to agree to the politics of a side to honor my code to that side.
But anywho, you do know whatever they make on the klink side will be total fan-fiction and could prolly be dubbed on the foundry, right?
What I don't get is I don't think you are understanding the precarious perch you are sitting on atm, what you are preaching though it may look good is basically a doomsday prophesy for your people. Klinks are strong because they are a small faction so their ships and toys have to be powerful and elite even if the captain is two quarters o the wind garbage, atleast the ship can say dam, least I tried. But the moment you get all the gamers to rally to your cause within days weeks or a month top the power will shift and kdf's worthless ships will some how find some way to become nerfed or the FED ships will become buffed. These are all plausible scenarios, maybe Janeway comes back in time again or spock or picard plays a flute, or FEDs high ups will be alarmed and say TRIBBLE diplomacy load that mother up with some new tech and weapons and get that TRIBBLE, and don't forget the undine are in feds as they are in klink higher ups and they do hate them some klinks, hell even Q might do something weird and all of a sudden FED ships that were laughable will start shredding KDF ships and I'm betting you sir prophet of doom for your own people will be the first to call foul, in which then i will go into the archives and bring this quote back and say, well atleast you are a prophet, right?
You know this game is as much Star Trek as Star Fleet Battles was, right?
You know, the Star Trek-based IP that wasn't even allowed to use the Star Trek name?
The IP that Starfleet Command was based on?
Stop using that argument. It's stupid. This game isn't Star Trek. It's "Fashion Show And Spaceships Online"..
500 Crew
30,000 Hull
0.8 Shield Mod
10 Turn Rate
Impulse Modifier 0.2
Inertia rating 40/50
Device slots 4
10 Weapon Power & 10 Engine Power
4 Fore Weapons
4 Aft Weapons
Bridge Officer Layout.
Commander Tactical
Lieutenant Commander Science
Lieutenant Commander Engineer
Lieutenant Tactical
Lieutenant Science.
2 Engineering Console Slots
4 Science Console Slots
4 Tactical Console Slots
Bonus console - No weapon drain from BO & reduces FAW to a single target while reducing FAW damage by 20% (or something like that). It may be crazy, but it would be dam fun to fly.
I can admittedly say I did not know that, anything past the pretty lights and I usually walk away. I truly thought it was based off the movies and the shows and the books and such so I argued my points through that misunderstanding.
If it's not star trek then that definitely ruins every ones argument to have Carriers or boffs or abilities or costumes or anything, actually just that statement alone would make every argument players have on these forums sorta asinine. If players stop harking back to star trek then there would be no argument over who has carriers or what a cruiser is or should be. Or Cannon, or any of that stuff, In fact the only legitimate argument would be pve content on the red side as opposed to the blue. So in essence we should stop referring to ourselves as FEDS or KDFS and go back to like RED or BLUE.
I suppose that would be the best way to go about it, just change the names a bit and give both sides the same things and let them go at it instead of dividing lines and such, maybe thats what we should be discussing, such as names, factions, and lore so we can make this into what it really is if it's not star trek and just a knock off... it's like a bootleg. So to that extent you would be right but this is a dangerous statement that while it may be true (I can't say something is true until I verify t) could unravel the whole STO universe.
Who said all universal had to be exclusive to KDF? There is not tech manuals that say. If you want cold dead bodies, that can be arranged. ;-)
Dude, thats a complete escort, you won't be able to tank with that. The Devs did state in the video that it will be a cruiser for sure because it is one of the Enterprises. Come up with a cruiser like layout that has more than two Eng consoles.
Going on that logic, then there's no reason not to let KDF have more sci ships or more ships with 5 consoles, because there's nothing that says they shouldn't have those either.
Also, he, R37, did say he was gonna 'think crazy' about that Ambassador spec.
It's has a Sci/Tac focus rather then the typical Eng focus. No cannons, pure beam boat with extra damage (Console + Tac boffs). It dose have a lower shield mod & much lower hull then the average Cruiser, but the flexibility of the science slots helps to offsets that problem, and don't forget that the 10+ Eng bonus gives you a higher Def rating.
As for tank, TSSx2 & HEx2 + 1 Flavour skill or PH, and you still have EP:Sx2 & RSP/AP:SIF - 4 Science consoles to buff your heals, or your shield. If you can't survive with that at your disposal then it's not the ship that's the problem.
Flagships are the biggest baddest boldest mofos in the fleet and cruisers are not these. Flagships can not only take the punishment they can dole it out in spades, infact, they deal more punishment then they can take. They were the jewels in the crowns of navies. The Spanish Dragon & Trinidad flagship, The Bellfast, The Bismark, the Enterprise, The Queen Anne, the list goes and on, these were flagships, they were op as hell and they had to be they were the statement of a culture saying this is what we have if you cross us, if you don't want to die then let us live in peace. The had total command of the seas and the armies and the flags of the attack patterns waved from them to let the others know what to do
No cruiser, none is able to bite anything other then the dust. Hell I can kill one in 20 seconds top with my eyes closed and prolly 10 if I just don't like your name. I think they should make an op Battleship i mean go ape **** with the consoles, like 2 commander everything's, 10 weapons layouts push it to 150, hull 100k shield mods like like crazy and do it for all the factions just go crazy on this thing and give it TEAM wide commands like
"All ships begin the assault" For 45 seconds all ships gain +25 energy to weapons a stack-able 10% to weapon damage and 3# bleed though.
"All ships take up defensive positions" For 45 seconds all ships have +25 to shield energy and 15% hull and shield resistance and 200/1 regen
"All ships Evasive maneuvers" For 45 seconds players have +25 to engine power can reach impulse speed of 30 and evasive raises by 15% and resistance increases by 10%
Then give it a passive like Go big or go home, or Pride of the Federation or whatever and give a passive heal and damage to all ships on the team because they know with her on the feild their chances of winning raises exponentially.
Then like make it 300-500 dollars to own to limit the numbers to hardcore gamers or fools and then just let it be, would I buy one? yes, yes I would, because I believe I deserve pretty things
If both sides had this behemoth on a battle field then lord knows a pvp battle will prolly last 10-20 minutes before the first kill lol it would be epic
But that ladies and gentlemen is a flag ship, op and can take on a team on it's own! That is a flagship
tactial/science 4 consoles each
enginerring 2 console slots
weapon slots either one of the following
4f/4a,
5f/3a,
or someting different 3f/5a weapon slots.
end game star trek cruiser so far must have 8 weapon slots but the 4f/4a after three years maybe it is time to offer cruisers with a different weapon slot numbers forward and aft options but still equaling to total of 8 weapons count
Consitution was
Excelsior was
Ambassador was
Galaxy was
Sovereign was
Odyssey is
Where is it written that a flagship has to be godmode?
Of all the ships above, which one is the godmode ubercruiser you propose?
Not a single one of them..
In a video game unless a ship demands respect, it get's none
Wrong. The Odyssey Star Cruiser NCC-1701-F is the current flagship. The Odyssey Tactical Cruiser is just a variant.