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azrael#9500 azrael Member Posts: 244 Arc User
I just read the patch notes for today, and noticed that no mention was made of the "one per character" Epic Phoenix Prize Token as one of the rewards for gaining 20 daily progress in DLT ALT CTRL. Are we still getting those prize packs?

Upon further examination, the Epic Prize Tokens are mentioned in the blog about DLT ALT CTRL, but not within the patch notes themselves.
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  • captainkoltarcaptainkoltar Member Posts: 940 Arc User
    There's some discussion around the Epic reward being not that useful for people who have all the epic level ships. It's possible that they removed it while they resolve that issue?
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    That (along with the Lobi) was mentioned in game on the rewards page when I looked, so probably just an oversight with the blog.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited May 29
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    Eg. the epic phoenix token is still there as a once per character (and every character) claim.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited June 2
    They could've just given the option to just get one event ship as an account wide unlock after completing the event, but I guess people may want a different ship per character in some cases.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited May 31
    avoozuul wrote: »
    They could've just given the option to just get an event ship from the pack as an account wide unlock after completing the event, but I guess people may want a different ship per character in some cases.

    None of the ships returned are account wide unlocks, so it could be a question of updating the phoenix token once with the new parameters (ie. no trade down, claim it in the c-store) or updating every single thing in the epic phoenix box with a new reclaim. Plus folks get the choice of swapping what ships they want for each character, an added feature. So likely a win-win between work required (critical with the team as it is) and what players get out of it.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    They could've just given the option to just get an event ship from the pack as an account wide unlock after completing the event, but I guess people may want a different ship per character in some cases.

    None of the ships returned are account wide unlocks, so it could be a question of updating the phoenix token once with the new parameters (ie. no trade down, claim it in the c-store) or updating every single thing in the epic phoenix box with a new reclaim. Plus folks get the choice of swapping what ships they want for each character, an added feature. So likely a win-win between work required (critical with the team as it is) and what players get out of it.

    IIRC, console has an Event version of the Epic token that does unlock a ship account-wide, so it shouldn't be a lot of work getting that PC side. I can kinda see the argument that it'd be convenient for some players, though.
  • captainkoltarcaptainkoltar Member Posts: 940 Arc User
    I don't understand why it's better to have a single account wide ship than a choice on a per character basis. The second gives more choice, so surely it's better?
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,673 Arc User
    I don't understand why it's better to have a single account wide ship than a choice on a per character basis. The second gives more choice, so surely it's better?

    It would be for me, as long as each new character created gets to pick one. Some people do prefer to be able to reclaim ships, and with single-character epic tokens you can't do that.

  • ktm1ktm1 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited June 2
    I don't understand why it's better to have a single account wide ship than a choice on a per character basis. The second gives more choice, so surely it's better?

    It would be for me, as long as each new character created gets to pick one. Some people do prefer to be able to reclaim ships, and with single-character epic tokens you can't do that.

    ummm. yes you CAN do that lol.
    its called select the SAME SHIP on the other character.
    lets say you want to choose the vorgon carrier as an account wide unlock.
    well. use the token to select the vorgon carrier. then switch to another character a month later.... AND SELECT THE VORGON CARRIER AGAIN WITH THAT CHARACTERS TOKEN... voila. instant account wide unlock. RECLAIMED.
    NO LIMIT TO NUMBER OF CHARACTERS WHO CAN PICK THAT SAME SHIP.

    although if you limit your choice that is YOUR decision to make.
    because its not a SINGLE token. but a token for EACH character on that account
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,673 Arc User
    ktm1 wrote: »
    I don't understand why it's better to have a single account wide ship than a choice on a per character basis. The second gives more choice, so surely it's better?

    It would be for me, as long as each new character created gets to pick one. Some people do prefer to be able to reclaim ships, and with single-character epic tokens you can't do that.

    ummm. yes you CAN do that lol.
    its called select the SAME SHIP on the other character.
    lets say you want to choose the vorgon carrier as an account wide unlock.
    well. use the token to select the vorgon carrier. then switch to another character a month later.... AND SELECT THE VORGON CARRIER AGAIN WITH THAT CHARACTERS TOKEN... voila. instant account wide unlock. RECLAIMED.
    NO LIMIT TO NUMBER OF CHARACTERS WHO CAN PICK THAT SAME SHIP.

    although if you limit your choice that is YOUR decision to make.
    because its not a SINGLE token. but a token for EACH character on that account

    That's not quite what "reclaim" normally means for STO ships -- with C-Store ships and Event ships one character can dismiss the ship then re-claim it and get the ship back. With phoenix token, lock box, promo pack ships if that one character dismisses their ship it is gone forever. They cannot RE-claim it.

    People have done this for years with the low-level C-Store Connie to get a full set of TOS phasers. You can't do this with a lock box ship.
  • ktm1ktm1 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    ktm1 wrote: »
    I don't understand why it's better to have a single account wide ship than a choice on a per character basis. The second gives more choice, so surely it's better?

    It would be for me, as long as each new character created gets to pick one. Some people do prefer to be able to reclaim ships, and with single-character epic tokens you can't do that.

    ummm. yes you CAN do that lol.
    its called select the SAME SHIP on the other character.
    lets say you want to choose the vorgon carrier as an account wide unlock.
    well. use the token to select the vorgon carrier. then switch to another character a month later.... AND SELECT THE VORGON CARRIER AGAIN WITH THAT CHARACTERS TOKEN... voila. instant account wide unlock. RECLAIMED.
    NO LIMIT TO NUMBER OF CHARACTERS WHO CAN PICK THAT SAME SHIP.

    although if you limit your choice that is YOUR decision to make.
    because its not a SINGLE token. but a token for EACH character on that account

    That's not quite what "reclaim" normally means for STO ships -- with C-Store ships and Event ships one character can dismiss the ship then re-claim it and get the ship back. With phoenix token, lock box, promo pack ships if that one character dismisses their ship it is gone forever. They cannot RE-claim it.

    People have done this for years with the low-level C-Store Connie to get a full set of TOS phasers. You can't do this with a lock box ship.

    you have a point. but unfortunately for you the point doesnt really apply.... there NOTHING you can get by REclaiming an epic token ship. you cant pick up new weapons.... like those phasers... because you dont NEED to. the ship comes with a full complement of white weapons... and arent upgradable anyway. you need to purchase the lockbox version of those weapons in order to get full use of them. all items like fancy consoles etc. you can only use one at a time, so having spares means NOTHING. why reclaim the ship at ALL? there is no REAL reason that isnt grasping at straws for an argument.

    besides which the original point was being able to reclaim the same ship on other characters..... well... like i already explained.... you CAN!.

    and why would anyone complain about a NON major/seasonal event reward of this magnitude?
    FIVE HUNDRED LOBI, more than half way for the cost of a lobi ship, AND an epic token? that grants a DIFFERENT ship per character! thats like what... 10 possible ships right there across your account?

    anyone, and i mean ANYONE who is complaining about the reward for this event in the smallest way, is spoiled and inconsiderate.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,871 Arc User
    In my case, that is about 36 ships :lol: .
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    I totally get not wanting to allow players to get phoenix upgrades from this free epic token, but there's so many other character-locked items at the lower levels I'd like.

    I have every epic ship, and literally can't use my token. All I can do is discard it (don't plan to though).

    I hope they adjust it in the future. I appreciate that they finally did this... I just wish I could use it. :(
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,673 Arc User
    phoenix841 wrote: »
    I totally get not wanting to allow players to get phoenix upgrades from this free epic token, but there's so many other character-locked items at the lower levels I'd like.

    I have every epic ship, and literally can't use my token. All I can do is discard it (don't plan to though).

    I hope they adjust it in the future. I appreciate that they finally did this... I just wish I could use it. :(

    I ended up skipping the event, partly for this reason.
  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,535 Arc User
    I’ll bank mine and hope they add something nice to the epic phoenix token store in the future… I’ve got all the ships in it also…

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,643 Community Moderator

    I ended up skipping the event, partly for this reason.

    I used the Lobi to get a couple pieces of the Tzenkethi space set for my Tetryon using character. And another 2401 uniform for an alt.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,871 Arc User
    So far, I have not used anything except one of the elite tokens, so my Kobali character finally got her Samsar :)
    I finished the event on a different character so the one token per character thing is working, which is good.
  • captainkoltarcaptainkoltar Member Posts: 940 Arc User
    I ended up skipping the event, partly for this reason.

    500 lobi is valuable, and I love summonables, so the shuttles are a great reward for me too.

    Hopefully they'll find a way to reward those of us who have all the epic ships, but if not, they can sit in my bank until I miss an event or something.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,673 Arc User
    edited June 17
    rattler2 wrote: »

    I ended up skipping the event, partly for this reason.

    I used the Lobi to get a couple pieces of the Tzenkethi space set for my Tetryon using character. And another 2401 uniform for an alt.
    500 lobi is valuable, and I love summonables, so the shuttles are a great reward for me too.

    Hopefully they'll find a way to reward those of us who have all the epic ships, but if not, they can sit in my bank until I miss an event or something.

    I considered it for the lobi, but wasn't feeling up for the grind this time. Getting another Epic I couldn't use or sell or gift was just the last straw.

  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    You know, I perfectly understand Cryptic putting extra restrictions on this compared to a "normal" Epic Prize Token. But I am genuinely irritated they didn't say it up front. The lack of communication is frankly insulting.
  • captainkoltarcaptainkoltar Member Posts: 940 Arc User
    You know, I perfectly understand Cryptic putting extra restrictions on this compared to a "normal" Epic Prize Token. But I am genuinely irritated they didn't say it up front. The lack of communication is frankly insulting.

    1. They did. https://www.playstartrekonline.com/en/news/article/11569544
    2. There was discussion about it when it was first announced: https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1273686/delete-alt-control/p1
    3. Yes. Everything they do is personally designed to insult you. At least you didn't say it was a slap in the face.
  • baucoinbaucoin Member Posts: 821 Arc User
    edited June 17
    Quick question. Will future characters be able to claim the token?

    Update: Tested this myself and indeed a new character I created today did have access to the token.
  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,435 Arc User
    edited June 17
    Hopefully they'll find a way to reward those of us who have all the epic ships...
    I hope so too.
    It's a useful thing to have for anyone who missed any of the ships, but for those of us who have played long and hard, this basically 'cheapens' the Event reward.
    It would have been nice to have something 'extra' show up in the list of ships - but only if they're all obtained already.
    baucoin wrote: »
    Quick question. Will future characters be able to claim the token?
    Thanks for taking the time to test it, but was there reason to think otherwise.
    Any new characters created have always had access to previous Event rewards.
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  • baucoinbaucoin Member Posts: 821 Arc User
    Hopefully they'll find a way to reward those of us who have all the epic ships...
    I hope so too.
    It's a useful thing to have for anyone who missed any of the ships, but for those of us who have played long and hard, this basically 'cheapens' the Event reward.
    It would have been nice to have something 'extra' show up in the list of ships - but only if they're all obtained already.
    baucoin wrote: »
    Quick question. Will future characters be able to claim the token?
    Thanks for taking the time to test it, but was there reason to think otherwise.
    Any new characters created have always had access to previous Event rewards.


    Guess I was having memories of rewards given on the Console version of the game years ago. Where you could earn some T6 ships but it was per character not account unlocked. So some have the Lukari Ho'kuun and Ferengi Warship, but not the newer alts.
  • palgiapalgia Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    Greetings, there is no way to use the Epic Prize Token – Phoenix Prize Pack reward, I already have the reward, but I cannot claim any ship, is there any way to claim the ship already having the reward?
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    I wonder if they could add level-locked upgrades or level-locked downgrade Phoenix tokens to the list? Since they originally planned to have it be able to be downgraded all the way into Phoenix Upgrades specifically for those of us already with all the ships (or nothing desired anyway), but they figured out you could just spam more characters to get effectively unlimited upgrades (the token is claimable on low-level characters), maybe a compromise just for the Upgrades option to where it'd be at least a bit harder to get them like the Recruitment Rewards are now by requiring a higher level (I would be fine with 65) to claim the Upgrades would work.

    I'm also for the T5s being added in, particularly the Voth Dread and Jem Bugship (that unlocks the frigates for the Jem Dread), as well.
  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    You know, I perfectly understand Cryptic putting extra restrictions on this compared to a "normal" Epic Prize Token. But I am genuinely irritated they didn't say it up front. The lack of communication is frankly insulting.

    1. They did. https://www.playstartrekonline.com/en/news/article/11569544
    2. There was discussion about it when it was first announced: https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1273686/delete-alt-control/p1
    3. Yes. Everything they do is personally designed to insult you. At least you didn't say it was a slap in the face.

    That does not say that it can "only" be used that way. And I did not suggest it was meant as a "personal" insult. Considering that Cryptic is, to be blunt, not the best at communication, it was a fair statement.
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    *I* specifically clarified when it was announced that it could not be broken down, so your argument about lack of communication is lacking. So, stop trolling.
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  • captainkoltarcaptainkoltar Member Posts: 940 Arc User
    ktm1 wrote: »
    That does not say that it can "only" be used that way. And I did not suggest it was meant as a "personal" insult. Considering that Cryptic is, to be blunt, not the best at communication, it was a fair statement.

    It clearly lists what you can claim with the token. And no it's not a fair statement.

  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,435 Arc User
    baucoin wrote: »
    Guess I was having memories of rewards given on the Console version of the game years ago. Where you could earn some T6 ships but it was per character not account unlocked. So some have the Lukari Ho'kuun and Ferengi Warship, but not the newer alts.
    All Ships unlocked via Events are account-wide unlocks for us on Console too.
    The Lukari Ho'kuun and Ferengi Warship were both Z-Store giveaways at some stage, and those were claimed per character directly from the Store, not by completing Events.
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