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Elite Bridge Officer Training (including pricing)

fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
"The galaxy continues to turn, the Khitomer Alliance endures challenge after challenge, and in the adversity grows stronger than any had dared dream. Learning from each other has accelerated development everywhere, but not all development is technology. Doctrine is often just as important, advances in training and new ways of thinking provide the changes we need to endure turbulent times. The new Elite Captain training program has likewise expanded to include promising Elite Bridge Officer candidates. Taught by the greatest minds of the Alliance, Elite Bridge Officers are able to leverage gear and traits from peoples across the quadrant, breaking free from the limiting training of a single culture and a single people. Working together and learning from one another, these disparate groups are becoming something far more than they ever were apart.

You can take advantage of this, too, Captains, with the Elite Bridge Officer Boost token. Purchase one of these tokens to upgrade one of the Bridge Officers on your account, similar to the Elite Captain Upgrades for Captains. Applying a token to your Bridge Officer will instantly add:

Upgrade to Ultra Rare, upgrading all Inherent Traits to maximum rank for their respective types
Learn all standard Bridge Officer abilities (see the Upgrade Token details for a complete list)
1 Kit Frame Slot
1 Person Ground Trait Slot
1 Device Slot

The Elite Bridge Officer Upgrade Token retails for 500 Zen for a single token, or you can buy a bundle of four for 1200 Zen. However! From 8 AM on 9/13 to 10 AM on 9/19, both the bundle of four and the single tokens will be 20% off! Grab them at a discount while you can!"

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11525783-elite-bridge-officer-training!
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    So it's going to be 500 Zen for a single token, to upgrade a single Boff on a single character.

    I'm not really interested. I might buy a single one if I can't think of anything else to spend my Zen on, to upgrade a single first officer that I later made into a captain - but that'll probably be it.

    I don't see this becoming a very popular thing at these prices and given how little use there is for Boffs on the ground - where most of the bonuses will apply to.
  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    Sad this isn't buyable with refined dilithium, but...

    I am interested in this. Finally, a way to use all of the kits that each toon has accumulated over the years.
    I imagine my primary toons will do this for min 2 boffs each.
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  • khazlolkhazlol Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    Creeping closer and closer towards the pay-to-win rabbit hole....

    Closer? we have been there for years xD
  • genrldestructiongenrldestruction Member Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    nccmark wrote: »
    Sad this isn't buyable with refined dilithium, but...

    Truth... this seems like something that should have been a dilithium purchase instead of a zen purchase. BOFFs are 15x more common than characters (and probably more, considering my main has 32). Thats a ton of potential to drain some dilithium.

    Its somewhat annoying, as far as dilithium goes, that there aren't things that I'm interested in buying with it... the experimental ship upgrades, captain upgrades, and now boff upgrades would have been incredible dilithium sinks, and still could be. Not every new feature needs to be or should be automatically put in the cash shop, and only the cash shop.
  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Creeping closer and closer towards the pay-to-win rabbit hole....

    Nah since there is no competition I don't see a pay to win here. All I see is a useless token where some of the DPS guys might get hard for the extra crit stuff from the Boffs but lets be honest here. I can play everything on elite the way these guys are now why would I go the extra 1200 or more zen to make them stronger when I alone can wipe these groups lol.

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  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,816 Community Moderator
    There is nothing "pay to win" about this and alot of people are confusing what they want with what they need. You don't need these boff tokens, you want these boff tokens. They're certainly a nice thing to have but definitely not required.

    With regards to pay to win comments, there is no such thing as pay to win in STO. As another has already pointed out, there is no competition thus nothing to win. You don't get anything extra for having the top DPS in a TFO, and you're not winning anything if you have top DPS in a TFO either. Only thing you can "win" is potential bragging rights that you obliterated some NPCs in a video game and posted something on a 3rd party leader board. Congrats if that's what you enjoy but seriously, if these things are making or breaking people, you have much bigger issues to worry about.

    Pay to win is something like what EA wanted to with the first modern Battlefront game. In that game there actually is competition and things to be won against other people. If you wanted the best of the best gear initially you had to buy lootboxes as you couldn't get them any other way unless you wanted to spend 40+ literal years unlocking everything. THAT is pay to win. With STO you're paying to skip grind it takes to unlock things by converting dilithium to zen. No pay to win at all.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,017 Community Moderator
    Pay to win what? 🙄
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    They might also offer the tokens as red alert rewards, rare freebies like the Anniversary giveaways, and will probably include them in any new legendary ship bundles.

    But no one "needs" these. Even for the 10 remaining PVP players, is there any PVP that includes your boffs?
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    Here we go with the deliberate and asinine misconstruing. Pay to win does not mean that you *REQUIRE* anything being offered. It's not about need. It's about *BUYING POWER* not available by any other means.

    You're free to come up with your own definitions, and you might even be able to find an UrbanDictionary entry or blog that agrees with you.

    We're free to disagree with you.

    There is nothing to "win" in STO outside of in the remaining sliver of PVP.

    There is no content that is walled off without payment, unlike those mobile games that use oil, energy, quatloos, whatever to limit access to content or restrict play time unless you spend cash. You can play all STO content 24x7x365 for free.

  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    Ah, well, I don't play Ground. I don't need to worry about buying any of these Elite tokens.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,473 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    I figure they'll wind up being offered as rewards for events, same as the T6X tokens.

    And "sell *POWER*"? Power to do what, pray tell? How is someone with four Elite BOffs "superior" to me with my absolute freebie character over here? I'm not gonna PvP, so that's out. What other "superiority" is available?
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    I figure they'll wind up being offered as rewards for events, same as the T6X tokens.

    Yeah, I'm thinking the same. Contrary to captain upgrade tokens, this seems to be a thing they could potentially offer as rewards for a while. Players who wouldn't buy them with Zen, might just be interested enough to collect them by participating in some event.
    And given that a certain ensign could become emperor
    it would be fitting to include one as a reward for the last episode where we deal with the MU as well.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    Creeping closer and closer towards the pay-to-win rabbit hole....

    It's a lot of things...but pay to win it's not.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,671 Community Moderator
    And this is just as true of every pay-to-win game out there. That's why they're pay-to-*WIN* and not pay-to-*PLAY* games despite your arrogantly ignorant comparison. They sell *POWER*. Not access. You can freely 'play' all the content. STO is slipping further and further into that same pattern. First it was ships. Then T6 ships, and ship traits. And T6x tokens. They've added elite captains to the mix, and now elite bridge officers. Sure, you don't *NEED* all the things STO sells to make you more powerful...but the game is a pretty miserable experience without them (especially Delta arc and beyond). The same kind 'miserable' that sent the original version of Diablo 3 back to the drawing boards. The same kind of 'miserable' that required the original Marvel Heroes to be completely rebuilt. The same kind of 'miserable' that required pulling FFIV offline and starting over. The kind of 'miserable' that doesn't sell well, because it's not enjoyable.

    Thankfully, Cryptic gives away T6 and T6x tokens semi-regularly, and the barely functional dilex stills offers a modicum of zen for everything else. But for all their hand wringing and speeches about 'fixing' the dilex, all they ever do is make it worse.

    ok... first off... if that is your definition of Pay to Win... that basically says anything but a pure charity is pay to win.

    Second... you're actually wrong about FF14. What made that game have to end the world and start over was not monetization. It was the fact that it literally PUNISHED you for playing too long because there was a phase in Japan where playing games a long time was looked down upon, and thus the game was built around encouraging you not to play all day. Diminishing returns and inexperience with MMOs or something like that was what caused the Umbral Calamity. Not P2W. It was literally everything BUT P2W that brought FF14 1.0 down.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,017 Community Moderator
    Ok, I'm going to have to ask folks to calm down in here. Debating and disagreeing is fine, but attacking one another is not. Play nice. Thank you.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    copium is strong in this thread. you can use $ to improve the abilities of your bridge officers... its pay to win. might not be a sizeable increase in dmg output.... but its an increase. but this game isnt really pvp is it? so pay to win in a mostly pve game... /yawn. this isnt diablo immortal here. folks already pay $ for ships that out perform the ships you get when you level up thru normal game play... p2w ship has long sailed in this game.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    As someone who avoids ground as much as possible this seems almost useless to me. If they can get it to unlock Captain pips like they said they'd look into then I'll buy one on a couple characters, but that's it. If they'd given it some space functionality then I might be more interested, for example they could've given them personal space traits as well but only had them active while in a Commander rank seat (to prevent balance issues from having tons of extra space traits).
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,473 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    you can use $ to improve the abilities of your bridge officers... its pay to win.
    And I ask again - win what, exactly? What do you win with this?
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  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,816 Community Moderator
    Here we go with the deliberate and asinine misconstruing. Pay to win does not mean that you *REQUIRE* anything being offered. It's not about need. It's about *BUYING POWER* not available by any other means.

    Pay to win by definition implies that there exists an item or items that are locked behind a paywall, that you can't get any other way that allow you a significant advantage over other people you're competing against in game. Meaning there are two components to this. First being you can't get these items any other way than to pay for them. Second being that you're actively in competition with other people to win some kind of objective or match.

    For the first component, there is nothing in this game with the exception of the lifetime ships that you can't earn through free to play means. There are less than 10 ships I don't own in this game. Some of them I have ground out dilithium for, some I paid to get. Everything I have now a person starting tomorrow could eventually have themselves by flipping dilithium to zen. The items are gated behind either investing your time or some cash to get it early. You can either grind it out and flip dilithium to zen, or you can use a credit card and get it early.

    For the second component, you're not competing against anyone in the game. This isn't Call of Duty multiplayer where there are clearly defined winners and losers in a match. PVP in this game is non-existent outside of voluntary encounters players themselves setup. Thus no official competition save in their own circles. Even the so called DPS race is not an official part of the game and is done through 3rd party leaderboards that have no bearing on the game at all. The only thing you're "winning" are bragging rights at best. So I will ask, who are you competing against and what are you winning in STO? Be specific.

    STO at best is pay to skip the grind. If you want true pay to win, go play modern Call of Duty games and some of the Star Trek Mobile games. Those are where your true pay to win is.

    As to the "buying power" argument. You have just as much buying power as anyone else in this game. You can either grind out dilithium and flip to zen, or you can use a credit card. You are on an equal playing field with everyone else. People having more free income than you may to make credit card purchases doesn't make it pay to win, nor does the dilithium exchange being bogged down make it pay to win either.
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  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 3,172 Arc User
    The bridge officers on an away team aren't the smartest bunch and don't really do much in the way of damage in the first place. This elite 🙄 training could be aimed at those who believe it'll make life easier for them when playing missions.
  • ikonn#1068 ikonn Member Posts: 1,450 Arc User
    Pay to Win, this is not...

    However,

    Pay to Curb-stomp things faster on the ground, this is.

    Having said that, though, getting through ground content with these Elite Boff tokens could be seen as a "win".

    It all comes down to perception.
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  • proteus#8097 proteus Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    Here we go with the deliberate and asinine misconstruing. Pay to win does not mean that you *REQUIRE* anything being offered. It's not about need. It's about *BUYING POWER* not available by any other means.

    I think you mean 'Pay-For-Instant-Gratification' perhaps!

    Yes 'buying power' helps, and you have the choice of whether to do so instantly with real money or play the long game and do it via collected in-game resources. Or choose not to buy it at all. All three options are perfectly viable for an enjoyable experience.
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  • vorwodavorwoda Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    nccmark wrote: »
    Sad this isn't buyable with refined dilithium, but...

    I am interested in this. Finally, a way to use all of the kits that each toon has accumulated over the years.
    I imagine my primary toons will do this for min 2 boffs each.

    Agreed 100%!

    Also, discussing/advising why/how this should be for dil instead of zen (and for how much dil), and how this would fix the broken dil exchange would be a much more useful dialogue than quibbling over definitions of PTW and escalating it into flame wars. ;)

    Pricing it at a quarter million dil would be the same as 500 Zen (at max exchange rates), but would also actually get the dil exchange moving again. Win/win (and the first person to say Pay-to-Win/Pay-to-Win wins a free destabilized plasma torpedo up their impule engine!) :)

    Just my 2 ... dil.
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    I have to say, i LIKE the idea of this but that seems way too much for a single bridge officer. More so, considering how many of us have more than four or five on a single captain. These would have been better at 100z each, so you're more inclined to buy more, rather than buying less and only using them for your "main" boffs.


    As for the pay to win aspect, i wouldn't have thought that, but i suppose it's entirely valid in regards to certain boffs like those with the Romulan operative trait. Going from NO operatives to having the full seating of ULTRA RARE operatives with the superior version of the currently available version of said trait... Yeah, it might be pay to win but that is a VERY specific instance. And even that VERY specific instance is all the more specific when it would only really apply to PvP. Are there any other Boff traits that really sway things so much?
  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,816 Community Moderator
    edited September 2022
    Guys, let's keep it civil. There's no need to be hostile like some of what I'm seeing here. Attack the logic, not the person. Folks are going to have their opinions either way and may or may not agree with you. Just because the person doesn't agree doesn't automatically make them wrong and you right or vice versa.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    tigeraries wrote: »
    you can use $ to improve the abilities of your bridge officers... its pay to win.
    And I ask again - win what, exactly? What do you win with this?

    time. you finish off mobs faster you move on to the next task to do or log off and do something else. time is money and your winning your time... maybe not a sizable amount of time... really depends on your build, kit, gear etc. also it effects space as well... space traits going in to superior traits. maybe you do do pvp in this game... no idea why but hey that's you. this game was p2w from the day you had lock box ships/gear/traits. regardless folks still come back and play cause this is THE only mmo? ST game on market. buy the boost if you like or skip if you dont like/afford. these days I come on to do events and bugger off once done so I'm skipping this. still hoping for sto2 with unreal 5
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