The days of any cool new ship from the shows going in the store are simply over, period.
The new rule is simple: if you want any cool new ship from a show, you have to gamble to get it.
I don't think that's necessarily true, I think there's a chance (a very slim chance) we could see era-appropriate ships only seen in the background get the C-Store treatment, though it would depend on how many new canon ships they have backlogged and how many C-Store ships they already have planned out. The only currently unreleased ships I think might have a shot though would be the Confederation versions of the Nova and Steamrunner, since they use the same model as the Fed versions just with different decals and a new material.
Anything that's a hero ship or otherwise highly desirable though WILL be a gamblebox ship, absolutely. Even potential variants of existing C-Store ships, like the Excelsior II or World Razer, will be in gambleboxes.
I'd love to see, for example, the background ships from the JJ films, to be in game.....Mayflower, Saladin, Armstrong, etc...and they are mostly kitbashes based on the Kelvin, so it would be easy.
The Saladin is entirely TOS, not Kelvin like the others, though it only ever appeared on screens in the background in various series and movies (including the Kelvin movies) due to IP issues.
If STO could get permission to use it (CBS does not own the design, that belongs to Franz Joseph Designs), the Saladin would be a very welcome ship in the c-store. It has the chops to anchor a new line of ships almost as diverse as the Miranda line and include ships like the Freedom class from TNG (though they would probably have to rename it to avoid confusion), the Jupp from DS9 (while technically dual nacelle, they are mounted on either side of a single vertical strut), the Kelvin from the 2009 movie, and eventually some original designs like the Miranda line has.
Star Trek Fleet Command uses the Saladin. It's a Kelvin Saladin. IF Fleet Command can use it, why not STO? STO HAS the Kelvin, all needs to be done is some chopping and so, BOOM, Saladin. Same for the Mayflower.
Two different games, two different licensing agreements. 🤷🏼♀️
Is it though? Since Viacom has put the band back together is it still different licenses?
Every company that wants to do something Star Trek related has to have their own licensing agreement. So, yes, each gaming company has their own licensing agreement which specified what they can and cannot do.
I think rattler answered that better then you did. My thought was about the star trek license and how the brands have become one again under viacom. So the question was if a new license would actually be necessary since they are under one roof now. That gaming companies have to have licenses like that I was well aware of.
I guess I misunderstood what you were questioning since my original answer was referring to what I just clarified.
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I'd say we both answered different elements of the question.
Im staying out of it personally seems to me heading down argument street
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there are the FJ designs from the technical manual. mods if posting this is an IP conflict please redact
IIRC the Dreadnought was the Federation class,
the heavy cruisers are obvious. the manual says the destroyer is Saladin the scout is Hermes, and the transport tug Ptolemy
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I do not believe it is an IP conflict. However Cryptic cannot touch Franz Joseph's designs as they are not owned by CBS. Its a licensing and ownership issue. Not really an IP conflict.
I'd say we both answered different elements of the question.
Im staying out of it personally seems to me heading down argument street
Not happening it was a misunderstanding and to my satisfaction rattler2 already gave me the answer I was looking for. So there is no need to go down argument street lol.
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I do not believe it is an IP conflict. However Cryptic cannot touch Franz Joseph's designs as they are not owned by CBS. Its a licensing and ownership issue. Not really an IP conflict.
Star Trek Fleet Command has Saladin class ships, kelvin style, but still Saladin. And they also use the likeness of folks like Shatner.
I do not believe it is an IP conflict. However Cryptic cannot touch Franz Joseph's designs as they are not owned by CBS. Its a licensing and ownership issue. Not really an IP conflict.
Star Trek Fleet Command has Saladin class ships, kelvin style, but still Saladin. And they also use the likeness of folks like Shatner.
The details and specifics of their lisence is proably differant. lisencing is a pretty complex issue.
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Star Trek Fleet Command has Saladin class ships, kelvin style, but still Saladin. And they also use the likeness of folks like Shatner.
And yet STO can't use Shatner's likeness or voice.
As mentioned, different license agreements.
STO can't use Shatner's likeness because William Shatner did not give them permission. The actor controls their likeness and how it can be used, not the studio. CBS cannot license Shatner's likeness. They can and have used voice recordings of 'Captain Kirk' taken from actual episodes and placed it in spots in STO.
And William Shatner will probably never give them permission because Al Rivera and a STO former community manager (Branflakes); posted things on Twitter that he didn't like and he banned them from following/posting to his Twitter account. (This was very early in STO's lifecycle.)
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Star Trek Fleet Command has Saladin class ships, kelvin style, but still Saladin. And they also use the likeness of folks like Shatner.
And yet STO can't use Shatner's likeness or voice.
As mentioned, different license agreements.
STO can't use Shatner's likeness because William Shatner did not give them permission. The actor controls their likeness and how it can be used, not the studio.
And he's very good at it too. He's over 90 years old, but looks like an average 60-year old.
STO can't use Shatner's likeness because William Shatner did not give them permission. The actor controls their likeness and how it can be used, not the studio.[/quote]
And he's very good at it too. He's over 90 years old, but looks like an average 60-year old. [/quote]
the amazing effect of having money such as he. [/quote]
Or healthy living. Just because one gets older, does not mean one's going to look like a mummy. I seen some asian girls in their 50's and 60's who look like 20.
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Or healthy living. Just because one gets older, does not mean one's going to look like a mummy. I seen some asian girls in their 50's and 60's who look like 20.
Could also be good genes too. Because when I was in my 20s I still had people looking at me like I was mid teens. For a long time the oldest I got when I was I wanna say 25... was that I looked 18.
Or healthy living. Just because one gets older, does not mean one's going to look like a mummy. I seen some asian girls in their 50's and 60's who look like 20.
Could also be good genes too. Because when I was in my 20s I still had people looking at me like I was mid teens. For a long time the oldest I got when I was I wanna say 25... was that I looked 18.
Same here. Always looked young. I'm 42, and people keep saying "Damn it you STILL look like a tribble tribbling kid!!!"
My wifey says I got Alison Hannigan syndrome or something.
Well, this thread certainly has gone off the rail. 🫤
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Or healthy living. Just because one gets older, does not mean one's going to look like a mummy. I seen some asian girls in their 50's and 60's who look like 20.
Could also be good genes too. Because when I was in my 20s I still had people looking at me like I was mid teens. For a long time the oldest I got when I was I wanna say 25... was that I looked 18.
Same.
A couple of year ago I was working at a milk factory for a while.
While on a break in an almost deserted canteen, there were two teenagers, probably between 16 and 18 year old talking about school. And they remarked how they had never seen me before (it's a rather small village where I live, so most people go to the same two or three high schools in surrounding towns) so their next question was to which high school I was going.
I was 25 or 26 at the time and had almost finished university. :'D
I'd be lying if I said I didn't appreciate the confusion though.
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j/k
IIRC the Dreadnought was the Federation class,
the heavy cruisers are obvious. the manual says the destroyer is Saladin the scout is Hermes, and the transport tug Ptolemy
Star Trek Fleet Command has Saladin class ships, kelvin style, but still Saladin. And they also use the likeness of folks like Shatner.
The details and specifics of their lisence is proably differant. lisencing is a pretty complex issue.
This.
And yet STO can't use Shatner's likeness or voice.
As mentioned, different license agreements.
STO can't use Shatner's likeness because William Shatner did not give them permission. The actor controls their likeness and how it can be used, not the studio. CBS cannot license Shatner's likeness. They can and have used voice recordings of 'Captain Kirk' taken from actual episodes and placed it in spots in STO.
And William Shatner will probably never give them permission because Al Rivera and a STO former community manager (Branflakes); posted things on Twitter that he didn't like and he banned them from following/posting to his Twitter account. (This was very early in STO's lifecycle.)
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
And he's very good at it too. He's over 90 years old, but looks like an average 60-year old.
STO can't use Shatner's likeness because William Shatner did not give them permission. The actor controls their likeness and how it can be used, not the studio.[/quote]
And he's very good at it too. He's over 90 years old, but looks like an average 60-year old.
the amazing effect of having money such as he. [/quote]
Or healthy living. Just because one gets older, does not mean one's going to look like a mummy. I seen some asian girls in their 50's and 60's who look like 20.
Could also be good genes too. Because when I was in my 20s I still had people looking at me like I was mid teens. For a long time the oldest I got when I was I wanna say 25... was that I looked 18.
Same here. Always looked young. I'm 42, and people keep saying "Damn it you STILL look like a tribble tribbling kid!!!"
My wifey says I got Alison Hannigan syndrome or something.
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Same.
A couple of year ago I was working at a milk factory for a while.
While on a break in an almost deserted canteen, there were two teenagers, probably between 16 and 18 year old talking about school. And they remarked how they had never seen me before (it's a rather small village where I live, so most people go to the same two or three high schools in surrounding towns) so their next question was to which high school I was going.
I was 25 or 26 at the time and had almost finished university. :'D
I'd be lying if I said I didn't appreciate the confusion though.