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I just finished watching new Episode of Star Trek Discovery and I think I may know who is created the DMA The Sphere Builders from Star Trek Enterprise this Theory comes in at Evidence from How Sphere Builders can work with Subspace to manipulate like in Season 3 of Enterprise. Even through they think it might be from out side the Galaxy but I think it might be them since they are advance enough to create such technology.
May the Shwartz Be With You
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@garaffe consider these links to read more on the Sphere Builder's, we actually see them in the STO Episode with the Temporal Captain Pavel Chekov played by Walter Marvin Koenig an American Actor & Screenwriter. You could also search for Sphere Builders on that Star Trek Fandom site as well.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trans-dimensional_disturbance
" Such a disturbance was essentially a convergence of spatial anomalies, which were very common in the Expanse, created by spheres in that region. A trans-dimensional disturbance was also an unusually strong type of gravimetric disturbance and generated gravimetric waves."
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That being said... watched a few clips on YouTube. I'm actually wondering if it might be the Kelvans or some other species from Andromeda.
Main reason... presence of exotic particles in that rift void that are EXCLUSIVE to the Galactic Barrier. Which means... the DMA... ain't a local thing. It came from outside the galaxy. So for me, Kelvans just jumped to the top of my suspect list, followed by Unknown Species Alpha through Omega and every other designation beyond that. And with Discovery's Spore Drive... we could very well see another galaxy.
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The only bad things it did were wiping out Kwejian, then 2 small space "stations" (including a prison complex) and leaving rifts that are only dangerous if you're crazy enough to want to enter them.
For a five-light-year large, engineered, destructive anomaly, that's a pretty low score, especially after half a season. Which makes me wonder if it's really a galactic weapon or some kind of OP probe or "test" with its creators not realizing it can cause some serious damage the Milky Way superpowers can't handle.
I'm wondering if it might have come from the same species that built the Doomsday Machine, which did similarly little damage before it was disabled - destroyed a couple systems, ate the world Decker had deposited his crew on, ate a starship, but in a large sense didn't do that much. Could have been either a more advanced weapon system, or possibly an attempt to find and disable the weapon later.
While some people dislike the Spore Drive, it DOES open up a lot of possibilities in being able to go places Star Trek has never gone before. One of those being a new galaxy.
And honestly I would have expected 32nd Century Tech to have gotten around the need for a living pilot, but I guess there are some elements of the tech that still requires that.
Also another thing I'd like to learn more about is the Whale Probe. (And yes I read the novel, and there was mention of cube shaped "bubbles", that were hostile, as the Probe referred to ships. But again... no on screen canon since ST4.)
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Just look at how behind the 32nd Century is in Android technology. There is also the issue that we have never seen a single android in the 32nd Century until Gray Tal. They had to use 24th Century technology created by Soong to create a body for Gray Tal which is not used anymore due to its low success rate. However, both cases are transferring the consciousness of a living being into a android body instead of creating a new android. It is just the story of Federation science with the only other known instance of it working is Picard.
We have numerous interesting technology introduced like protomatter, omega particles, folded space transporters, and numerous types of FTL drives in Star Trek, but it gets ignored since it is either too dangerous, cost prohibitive, or some other reason instead of trying to figure out how to make the technology work safely. With protomatter, we had the Lukari able to master it before they left their planet.
The other forms of FTL... we know at least two others exist alongside normal Warp Drive in the 32nd Century, however resources are the problem.
And don't forget there technically hasn't been a WORKING Spore Drive for nearly a thousand years. The only known working model is on Discovery. There must be some quality or element that a living pilot gives that can't be replicated with even Bio-Neural gel packs, let alone whatever they use in the 32nd Century for computer calculations.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Counterpoint: Book seems to be able to use the Spore Drive, and he's not human with Tartigrade DNA.
Except it clearly shows a species willing to weaponize it if they ALREADY refer to it as such.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
The Tardigrade DNA was the missing element that a living pilot needed which is not necessarily the same thing needed for a machine to handle it.
Going by the visuals and other clues (including the fact that Kurtzman subscribes to Abram's "steal from the best" philosophy) it is most likely the same reason that Andromeda's slipstream drive (and some other sci-fi drives like Niven's Known Space hyperdrive) cannot be navigated by machinery, even biotech machinery, which is navigation in that alien environment can only be done psionically by tapping into that potential in a living mind, not by sheer calculation.
Neither of those shows created that trope, so claiming Kurtzman stole from them is a bit disingenuous.
Yes, I know they established that a machine cannot do it back in season one, the way I phrased it is simply a standard idiom, a way of speaking in an informal conversational way (though it may be slightly archaic nowadays I suppose). Maybe I should avoid that kind of thing because of the number of people here who speak English as a second language and may be confused by it, but it is a hard habit to break, especially when writing quickly.
And yes, that trope is old, in fact I mentioned one earlier instance of its use already (the hyperdrive from the Known Space series), and it was not even the first. I don't know what the very first psionic-requiring drive mentioned in sci-fi is, but I have seen them in books published at least as early as the 1950s and I doubt they were the first either.
By "steal from the best" I was not accusing Abrams or Kurtzman of plagiarism, I was referring to some of Abram's talks on the subject of screenwriting where he points out that everything out there has been done before and much of TV and Movie productions take things from each other as nods to each other quite often, and if you do that then make sure to "steal from the best" as he put it.
One good example of that in a fictional technology sense is that Duranium is the same material in both Star Trek and Star Wars. Lucas has said in interviews that he took it from Trek as a tribute to Trek.
In the case of my previous comment, to all appearances DSC uses a variant of the Andromeda style slipstream drive (they use the spores to ride the inside of the superstrings instead of slipstream runners to skim along the outer surface) as a touchstone to another Roddenberry creation, so it makes sense that it would use the same psionic connection that requires a living mind (which as you pointed out has long been prior art anyway so unlikely to cause legal problems).
I figured that maybe by the 25th Century at least Bio-Neural Circuitry would have allowed for some independence from the need for a living pilot, then the sheer computational power of a 32nd Century computer system would have been able to bypass that entirely.
However it does appear that its not just the computer calculations that are needed for the Spore Drive to plot a jump, as even a 32nd Century 2nd Gen Spore Drive is running into the same problems that Discovery's 1st Gen Spore Drive ran into.
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And again, the Klingons showed interest in its use as a weapon, with the ambassador accusing the Federation of developing a WMD and implying intent to use it against the Klingons.
If the Genesis Device had been used on a proper target as intended, the Genesis Planet would have been FAR MORE stable. But again... its destructive potential on an already inhabited planet was made blatantly clear by the Klingons, especially with Kruge wanting it himself. Combine that with the "failure" of the Genesis Planet... and the Federation pretty much had no choice but to abandon it to prevent it falling into the wrong hands.
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"My God, do you think we're intelligent enough to -- suppose -- what if this thing were to be used where life already exists?"
Oversight always was spotty in the Federation all the way back to TOS. A real doozy was that no one noticed that sometime in the late 2250s or early 2260s the ship assignment board in the admiralty had turned capital ship command postings into a men's social club that only gave the choicest ship commands to their protégés. A lot of people thought that kind of thing did not belong in Star Trek, but Roddenberry based it on the Hornblower style tall ship stories were there was often corruption and extreme cliquishness like that.
The civilian side wasn't any better either, like the Sherman's planet project being headed by that moron Nilz Baris completely oblivious to the sabotage that was only uncovered by accident (seriously, they should have given Cyrano Jones a medal). That episode also highlighted the fact that civilian agencies and Starfleet generally did not get along particularly smoothly with each other.
Then there was the fact that (according to a story Roddenberry often told at conventions, based on his disagreements with NBC) Starfleet went to the Federation council with a proposal for a battleship class that was badly needed for the war but the council was adamant that they would not allow any battleships.
Starfleet then pulled a Mr. Haney maneuver on them and came back with a proposal for a "heavy cruiser", which was actually the exact same design that they rejected the first time but they approved it because it was not a "battleship". The TOS Enterprise was one of that first ships of that class built (and notice in the show that the Enterprise outclasses a single battlecruiser enough that it takes either sabotaging the Enterprise's warp drive or sending two battlecruisers against it to ensure a victory for the D7s).
So the Federation is not quite on the ball when it comes to thinking a lot of stuff through.
And the funny thing is... thanks to Discovery, we now know that the D7 Battlecruiser was actually a NEWER design than the Connie, and the Connie STILL kicks its Impulse Engines.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
While crew experience is a factor, the fact remains that a ship class that's been around for at least 10 years already can stand toe to toe with a brand new design and win. And based on the punishment Enterprise took defending Discovery, it makes sense. She was able to tank quite a bit, and was still able to warp away with a good sized chunk of her saucer section blown off.
To be fair... a Starfleet Captain was able to develop a Phase Cloak, in blatant violation of the Treaty of Algeron, right under the nose of Starfleet Command, and was able to hide it for years.
Its entirely possible that in the proposal for Project Genesis, the scientists assumed that the very idea of using it on an inhabited world would be enough to swear off using it on an inhabited world. Either that or they never really considered it a possibility. Sometimes scientists can be so wrapped up in their research that they don't consider the fallout from its misuse. You know... the whole argument of "so wrapped up with if they could that they don't think of if they should" or something along those lines. Probably following McCoy's questioning line.
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