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New Genesis bundle WAY TOO overpriced
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7500 zen for 2 ships when t6 ships go for 3k (3,000 x 2 = 6,000, not 7500), with the little bonus's not worth the 1,500 price increase.
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Well... we are talking account unlocks of three lobi outfits and a lobi weapon. Not sure on the value of the vanity device (which is slightly different than the one they gave to Foundry authors).
If we consider the normal price of a C-Store uniform, which is 500 Zen... Math actually... works out at a slight discount because its not factoring in the device or the Phaser Pistol at all? Anyways...
6k for 2 ships, another 1.5k for the outfits... yea... probably accurate actually.
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I like science ships and fly them often, but i cannot say I'm wooed by either ship/console or trait. As i type this i am gradually straying further away from a purchase.
Past bundles were designed to save you money compared to buying everything individually, but this one is clearly designed to simply extract more money out of people.
The same could sort of be said for the Legendary Mirror Dreadnaught bundle, but the mirror dreadnaught is decent, if not exactly great. And it came as fleet level, instead of having to spend more money on FSMs to get the real version
Overall this bundle should cost around 12,500 zen, or roughly $125 USD. You're getting the bundle for nearly half of what it should be going for if we were to total everything up individually. For that matter you can also buy the ships individually if you wanted to. On top of that they're giving you the bundle 35% off of the normal price for a time, meaning you're paying even less than what you would normally. Assuming 35% off the 7500, you're paying 4875 zen, which is barely even a ship and a half of cost.
If folks legitimately don't want the extra stuff, then by all means that's up to you how to spend your cash. However it boggles my mind they can give people deals like this, which cost far less than what they should, and some people STILL complain.
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It boggles MY mind that you actually consider this bundle a deal at all. I doubt anyone cares about the fleet module and Experimental Upgrade, infact I keep forgetting they're even there (I already have a stack of each rotting away in my account bank), so the subjective "value" they provide is non-existent. The items people are going to care about are some combination of the two ships and the uniforms, which have no bundled discount except for essentially giving the pistol for free. As I said in my earlier post this should have been priced in the 6k-6.5k range to keep it in line with previous bundles of normal C-Store ships, people who want both ships would get some extras and people who only want one of them would have some extra incentive to buy both instead, THAT is how these bundles used to work (though admittedly they were usually ships only except for expansions).
Bundles in STO USED to actually mean you were getting a deal, but whoever is in charge of these things now only treats them as a means to charge even more money. I'm still buying it because I want the uniforms (not interested in either ship), but the way things have been monetized and priced lately is starting to overshadow the things I like about STO and have a serious negative impact on my opinion and enjoyment of the game overall.
There were other styles of bundles in the past (two faction, three faction, etc). And they all had some sort of 'bulk' discount. It was the entire point of bundles before they started this "throw in lots of random junk" thing.
Still deciding on the package, just wondering if the 3 Lobi outfits will be for ALL races or just for the few main races.
Clearly people have.
*Shrug* I think Loui Vuitton bags are overprice garbage. Yet you will still get someone paying $100k for one of them. Because to some people, that is actually pocket change.
Same goes with the bundles. The accountant team are not stupid, and STO has been going for a LONG time. They KNOW what peope are willing to pay, and price accordingly.
A rip off to you (and me both), to others, its 'meh, it's buttons, I'll buy it'.
Pic below, is an ACTUAL $150k Vuitton bag. And it does actually look like garbage:
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A discount on a grossly inflated price tag, is still a grossly inflated price tag. $75 is the release cost of a fairly high-budget game . This bundle would be a $7.5 DLC or less in any other genre but FTPMMO. For $75 I should expect a whole new campaign, new game options, a new species or two, a few new maps. 2 ship skins and some mothball-ridden character skins and "gimme some mo munny" tokens for $75 is just plain greed. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. At *some* point, even Cryptic will have to admit that there is so little difference between individual ships of a class that they may as well be recolours and are in no way worth $30-150 a pop. These items have 0, nil, no inherent value, only an assigned cost. They are utterly worthless outside of the STO servers.
$70 for an AAA single-player game gets you one set of content often with no online group play and no events. The Season Pass is another $50+, other DLC at release is $10-30. That can be a better deal than F2P MMOs if you don't care about Space Barbie and mingling with other players.
As F2P MMOs go, STO is more generous than most of them. You don't need to spend a penny unless you do want specific ships, and you can even grind for those. Plus there are 3-4 free endgame ships per year through events.
Odds are they're Fed/Fed Allied only, just like the Lobi Store versions. But again they are account unlocks so any current and future Fed/Allied characters can benefit. The phaser pistol should probably be available for all.
Even though I bought a few for my characters (back when they were still in the Dil-Store at 1- 1.5 M), I have enough characters to make it worth getting those for my current characters, let alone future ones.
I've a feeling that Federation aligned characters will be able to use them with the account unlock (i.e. Romulans and Jem'Hadar who are Fed aligned), which is an added benefit.
So 7500 zen is a great price if you want the items.
4800 or whatever the intro price is is more than a 50% discount when all is considered.
If you don’t want the items then obviously the personal value to you is diminished but apples for apples it may be one of the best bundles we’ve seen.
These aren’t legendary ships. They’re plain old fashioned zen store ships.
Even if you missed the fact that the word legendary appears associated with them not even once. They come with fleet modules. Legendary ships do not have fleet versions.
And it also boggles the minds the lengths some will go to in order to justify these over inflated costs. The reasons for why people feel the bundle is a poor deal have been laid out, you have laid out why you disagree. If you feel the pricing is fair, then great.. enjoy your bundle, but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. The concept of forcing 'extras' into bundles to further increase their base cost is not a tactic some of us do not appreciate, deal with it.
The one thing I will give credit for in this case is that they at least made the ships available individually so that people could side step the bloat bundle and buy what they actually want. Props to Cryptic for at least doing that.
You personally may not care about the extra stuff, and that's perfectly fine if you don't. However you are one person with one opinion on how things should be. If you don't want to buy the bundle with the extra stuff, that's your call with your cash. For folks like you, there is the option to purchase the ships individually without the fluff. This is something folks have wanted since the original Legendary Fed Bundle and people are STILL complaining which is again mind boggling to me.
If you think my math above is off, go into the cstore in game and feel free to verify it for yourself. Considering the contents of the bundle on their own will go for far more than that, if someone wants both ships, I consider this a steal, especially if we take the opening 35% off sale into account. It's not going to get much cheaper than it is now. If someone intends to make either ship their main ship or at least use these ships quite often, the work of getting a fleetship module and the experimental token is done for them. Clearly you are not the target audience for this bundle by your statements. You not being the target audience of the bundle doesn't make the bundle overpriced.
Yes, bundles typically are meant to make more money for a business while giving folks a deal of some kind, this is basic business 101. They're giving people a bundle for 7500 zen that should cost 12,500 zen, with an opening sale AND the option to buy the ships individually for those that don't want the bundle itself, yet STILL it's not good enough and STILL people are complaining. I'm not a fan of some of the changes either but this is one of the better priced bundles as of late and is actually a steal.
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In 2018 a new two ship bundle was 4k zen ($40), and as much as I personally like the uniforms and pistols there is simply no way I could ever argue that all the extras add $35 worth of value to the bundle. I stand by my statement that the regular price is too high and that it should have been 6.5k, however after some quick math I will say that the SALE price is actually spot on where it should be as I feel a lower regular price should come with a reduced sale of 25% off, so I do feel a little less ripped off considering I'll be buying during the sale window.
Cryptic's price: 7500 at 35% off is 4875
My suggested price: 6500 at 25% off is 4875
Now that I see that, I don't think their price decision has anything to do with getting extra money per sale, I think it was done this way to make the sale price more attractive and push week one sales. They have some very clever Ferengi working over there now.
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