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r24681012
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why do we continue to have star trek shows set in the past rather then set after nemisis or voyager for me star trek began with the original series i was never interested it what came before but thats me others may feel different and thats there right
what kind of person are you a prequal or sequel kind of person where would you like the next series to be set and why
what kind of person are you a prequal or sequel kind of person where would you like the next series to be set and why
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Outside of the 2 first seasons of Discovery and its spin-offs, the shows are now focused on post-Nemesis/Voyager: Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, STO, Discovery from S3.
Enterprise 4th season, Discovery and not to mention Star Wars changed it a great deal however.
What I appreciate most is variety. Star Trek always had that and at the moment it has that more than ever with soon a handful of different shows set in different time periods.
I would not want to have it any other way.
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All ive wanted was another show set in same timeline/Verse as TNG and DS9, everything weve had has been terrible (Discovery the worst), but i must say the Kelvin Movies have started to grow on me alot.
@r24681012 would you like this moved to Ten Forward?
The way I see it, there are stories to be told all over. And we do have periods of time that can be explored more, such as the time period with the Ent-B and Ent-C.
There are many ships in Starfleet, so who knows what kinds of adventures they had.
I honestly enjoyed Enterprise because of seeing how the tech we are all familiar with was developed. The first Phaser, the first Photon Torpedo... seeing a crew having to literally write The Book on exploration and meeting other races that future Captains like Kirk and Picard would have...
Was looking forward to the Earth-Romulan War, but... the show was canceled before we could get that.
> why do we continue to have star trek shows set in the past rather then set after nemisis or voyager for me star trek began with the original series i was never interested it what came before but thats me others may feel different and thats there right
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> what kind of person are you a prequal or sequel kind of person where would you like the next series to be set and why
I think it was better when every generation got its version of Trek, reflecting the time it was filmed, and building on what came before while accepting it as valid. Starting with the TNG movies, where they retconned Cochrane, the habit of rewriting the past to suit the present began.....Discovery was just the ultimate expression of it, effectively destroying TOS before becoming a Andromeda ripoff and destroying the future Federation too. At least Picard was set after DS9/Voyager like it should have been.
But due to Discovery blatantly bludgeoning rules, and changing them as directors see fit, where in their time period they possessed more advanced technology that in TNG era, or S3 where ships looks like donuts (and some of them blatantly taken from Macrtos anime series), im afraid that we don't get any decent Trek story in predictable future.
Except it didn't?
Nothing in DSC contradicts events in TOS. Hell... they even brought up the USS Defiant, which CONFIRMED an event in TOS still happens.
However that is a discussion for another time and another thread.
> Except it didn't?
> Nothing in DSC contradicts events in TOS. Hell... they even brought up the USS Defiant, which CONFIRMED an event in TOS still happens.
> However that is a discussion for another time and another thread.
Cloaking devices? The Federation nearly being destroyed by the Klingons in a war never mentioned in TOS? The Federation 10 years after Discovery would have been completely different.....many of the same people would have been around but events would be quite different. Defiant ending up in the Enterprise era Mirror universe is the exception that proves the rule.
That depends on how you look at it. And while some of it can be passed off as some sort of regional differences or experimental designs or whatever a lot of it cannot.
One example incompatible events is the line in the DSC pilot that says they had not had anything but minor brush conflicts with the Klingons for a hundred years, which means that the major war that ended around 2245 would have to have been fought against someone else which would mean bringing in an entirely new major power since dialog in Balance of Terror rules out the Romulans as the other side, and does not properly set up the cold war situation that existed in the 2250s and 2260s and almost erupted into full war in 2267 as shown in Errand of Mercy.
Also, the USS Defiant causes more compatibility problems rather than providing a connection since in ENT it was quite clearly shown that it was a TOS Constitution class, not a DSC Constitution by any stretch.
I wont go into it further since as you pointed out this thread is not the place for that kind of thing, but there are quite a few points of conflict between the two series.
So the terrans made some modifications, where is the problem?
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When they showed it in ENT the Tholians had just grabbed it and towed it to their asteroid base for study. The Tholians did not have time to make any changes to it, and it was stock TOS when when the crew of the ISS Enterprise got it.
It is irrelevant whether the Empire modified it later since the point was that what they initially got was unequivocally a TOS Constitution, not a DSC Constitution which is a considerably different ship. If the Tholians had grabbed the DSC USS Defiant it would have been a DSC Constitution class carrier instead. That is either a major continuity gaff or TOS and DSC are on different timelines.
EDIT:It's also how in TOS Kahless is ridgeless and dark haired, but in TNG he has ridges and red hair (and it's implied that Kahless I looked the same as Kahless II)
I'd like this a lot. It would allow for a lot of exploration, colony building, first contact stuff that this game lacks. There would be new enemies and new allies. It would allow Cryptic to go wild with their creativity and allow them to sidestep the current shows while they build more lore in coming seasons to come back to where it makes sense. CBS would probably hate it.
> Something Enterprise retconed long before Discovery.
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> Actually, TOS explicitly mentions past conflicts with the Klingons. And the severity of said conflict explains why the Enterprise was always "the only ship in the quadrant" so many of the Federation's ships got destroyed in the war they didn't have the ability to suitably staff their patrol routes.
You’re moving the goalposts. I never said there was no conflict with the Klingons.....I said there was no mention in TOS of a war with the Klingons in which the Federation’s very existence was at stake.
When Discovery returned from the MU, they were told the Federation was losing badly, about 30% of Federation space was overrun...and we were shown Klingon scouts operating in the outer worlds of the Sol system itself. The Federation Council green lit genocide as a final attempt to reverse the inevitable. In the end, they were only saved by Klingon domestic political intrigue.
Don’t you think Kor or Kang wouldn’t have rubbed that in Kirks face every opportunity they got?
They do prequels because they see the popularity of TOS/TNG and just want to leech off of that since they have no creativity.
Continuing the story is one of the things I respect Cryptic for doing. And they did a decent job handling the stupidity the Bad Robot movies and Tv shows threw at them.
Honestly nothing in TOS does exclude the possibility of the war happening, sure it doesn't outright confirm it either, but it doesn't exclude it either.
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I also suspect that Klingons were overstretched due to their rush to take out the Federation, it is never out right stated but would make sense as really only Kol'sha seems to be really against L'Rell and even then IIRC it wasn't due to stopping the war.
It was the opposite of the saying "Cut off the head, the serpent dies." In this case the serpent turned into a hydra.
DSC never was simply a "visual update". To do that you have to at the very least start with the material from the era that is being updated (in this case with The Cage and TOS, and no a few hand props just does not cut it for that) but interviews and behind the scenes features make no secret of the fact that they bypassed it and started with The Undiscovered Country (which was the movie Roddenberry had the most objections to btw) instead. The "visual reboot only" ship sailed right at the start of the pre-production phase when they decided that.
If they wanted to be edgy they could have integrated an update of the TOS look into DSC as one of the more far out niche looks with their own stuff the majority on the visual level, and leveraged the fact that in early TOS Kirk used several names for the organization to set up the kind of balkanized, jockeying for position situation that would be perfect for the deconstruction they appeared to be going for but so massively bungled in first season DSC.
That would have gone over much better with the traditional Trek base than the total reboot they did and the action movie fans are just there for the eycandy thrill ride anyway so they would have had a much bigger potential viewer pool instead of one constrained by the divisive feud that Moonves set up and fanned as "free advertising" (and probably a stick in the eye to the "trekkies" he hates so much).
As for the Klingons, the best explanation is the one Glenn Hetrick often mentions in interviews, that not all of the Klingon houses are actually from Qo'nos (which is more or less the the popular Klingon-as-empire rather than Klingon-as-race-only concept that has been in various fan theories for decades).
So far, while CBS claims that DSC happens in the same timeline/universe/whatever you want to call it, they have yet to show anything that makes that claim believable, and in fact show a lot of things to the contrary. Remember "show, don't tell"? It has long been an adage for higher quality shows in the industry, and DSC shows more timeline altering interventions than ENT, a show directly involved in the Temporal Cold War, did so it is actually more reasonable to see it as a split than to pretend it is anything like The Cage/TOS era.
And no, as IP owners they can control what is allowed to be written and by whom in a legal sense, but the suspension of disbelief and what makes a fictional setting come to life is a trust between the viewers and the storytellers together, not a simple legality.