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nrobbiecnrobbiec Member Posts: 959 Arc User
I hope something is done to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Enterprise this year.

Me personally I would make a special episode that undoes the finale and undoes Trip's death by giving us a prime timeline Lorien. Played by and modeled after Connor Trinneer (obvs with Vulcan ears ofc). I dont know if it would have to somehow fit into the story arc at the time. Unless the days of random unrelated episodes are not yet over and done.

In any event something would be nice. 20 years is a big anniversary.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,020 Community Moderator
    Honestly I would be happy with at least a new Ent era uniform, and an NX-01 hat. I mean they have the desert uniform variant, the excursion jackets, and the Admiral's uniforms.
    Also would like to see Starfleet Command and Columbia assignment patches.
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    jonbotone#2618 jonbotone Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    I would be happy with just an NX style bridge.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    The NX ship in the Lobi Store is where they started not producing custom Bridges for their premium Ships. So not bloody likely.
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,777 Arc User
    Maybe bring back fan favorite TPol, seeing as Trip is dead and because of some idiots, Scott Bakula doesn't want to do anything Trek related, also bring back the real Future Guy, Noye's Allience with the Sphere builders and The Na'Kuhl plus his motivation contradicts ENT's FG, if Noye was FG, why would he work with his rivals/enemies, the real Future Guy would have been on our side since he was allied with the Suliban and Romulans. maybe even an ENT faction set during the Earth-Romulan War.
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,101 Arc User
    Enterprise theme song playing in ESD's bar?
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    gilleylen#2528 gilleylen Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    Lets talk about the real hero of the NX, someone who has the money, the love of Star Trek enough he has made MANY contacts with TNG cast including having Crossovers with all of them. Created a show that is a Star Trek Comedy. I am talking about Ensign Rivers (Seth MacFarlane) He has hired Patrick Stewart to voice Avery Bullock for countless seasons of American Dad, made many episodes about Star Trek in both Family Guy and American Dad, he even killed off William Shatner on Family Guy. Having Seth involved in Star Trek would be a dream come true for him *he said so in an interview of how he felt about Enterprise* His character voice acting talents and people he could bring into the game would really add a 25% increase in growth of the game, He can sell a crappy version of Family Guy on the mobile phone by saying "Go, play Family Guy: The Quest for Things, enjoy" and it topped out at 4th in popularity of most downloaded game in just 2 months of release, even a year or so it was still in the top 10. MacFarlane knows he can sell anything, from a Family Guy: The Video Game, FOX knows he can sell anything!! He is sought after, given the green light so easily they know he is a great investment and worth STO treatment, if he did a 30 second commercial for STO, i can promise it would get people interested. I never knew him when I seen him on the NX but when I heard that voice, I instantly lit up.

    If he was in the Christmas Event, If he was in the Lobi store as a Holographic Bridge Officer, or ZEN store as a Bridge Officer, adding to the fact he could just do anything and it sells is the reason he should do it. Worst that can happen is he wants too much money but he is loaded and a fan of Trek; So much a FAN he used his connections to get on the NX cause he wanted to cement his dream of getting on Star Trek, that is pretty much a die hard FAN

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    saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,394 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    Technically, the new visual for the Legendary B'Rel is from ENT, but yeah, ENT could use more love.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Trip's death was near-universally acknowledged by Expanded Universe writers as a faked one so he could join Section 31 (and because nobody, not even his actor, approved this pathetic and pointless death), but it's not mentioned in the lore of STO as far as I know as it only focuses on the post-Nemesis era.

    Maybe STO could also make him a temporal agent like Chekov, working with T'Pol (for ironic values, as she initially didn't believe time travel was possible and now, it's her full-TIME (HA!) job).
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    Denobulan boffs or playable species would be a nice thing to add. Or Xindi Arboreals.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    Technically, the new visual for the Legendary B'Rel is from ENT, but yeah, ENT could use more love.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Trip's death was near-universally acknowledged by Expanded Universe writers as a faked one so he could join Section 31 (and because nobody, not even his actor, approved this pathetic and pointless death), but it's not mentioned in the lore of STO as far as I know as it only focuses on the post-Nemesis era.

    Maybe STO could also make him a temporal agent like Chekov, working with T'Pol (for ironic values, as she initially didn't believe time travel was possible and now, it's her full-TIME (HA!) job).

    I hope STO could do something with Trip. His death was meaningless indeed, it's almost like they killed him off simply because no major character of the series had been killed off yet.
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    gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Technically, the new visual for the Legendary B'Rel is from ENT, but yeah, ENT could use more love.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Trip's death was near-universally acknowledged by Expanded Universe writers as a faked one so he could join Section 31 (and because nobody, not even his actor, approved this pathetic and pointless death), but it's not mentioned in the lore of STO as far as I know as it only focuses on the post-Nemesis era.

    Maybe STO could also make him a temporal agent like Chekov, working with T'Pol (for ironic values, as she initially didn't believe time travel was possible and now, it's her full-TIME (HA!) job).

    Tripp would be a prime case for a Temporal Agent...
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,777 Arc User
    Denobulan boffs or playable species would be a nice thing to add. Or Xindi Arboreals.

    maybe Insect and Reptilian Xindi too, you can already make Xindi Primates with Aliens.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    I hope something is done to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Enterprise this year.

    Me personally I would make a special episode that undoes the finale and undoes Trip's death by giving us a prime timeline Lorien. Played by and modeled after Connor Trinneer (obvs with Vulcan ears ofc). I dont know if it would have to somehow fit into the story arc at the time. Unless the days of random unrelated episodes are not yet over and done.

    In any event something would be nice. 20 years is a big anniversary.

    Rather than a "Prime Timeline Lorian", I'd rather see them pick up where E² left off. They never definitively confirm what happened to Lorian's duplicate Enterprise, so they could have it get thrown to 2411 and build a mission that involved us finding it. This would give them a reason to build an NX interior (for the mission), allow for another NX ship variant based on Lorian's modified Enterprise, and it would give them the option to use T'Pol, Lorian, or Karyn Archer if the actors are up for it.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    Denobulan boffs or playable species would be a nice thing to add. Or Xindi Arboreals.

    maybe Insect and Reptilian Xindi too, you can already make Xindi Primates with Aliens.

    True, but I'd prefer 'real' species instead of alien generator ones, as great as they are in absence of the real thing.

    Insectoids and reptilians would be nice to have indeed, but I think that's more difficult for them to do with the models (for player characters at least, Boffs may be feasible as we already have a reptilian one).
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,777 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    I hope something is done to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Enterprise this year.

    Me personally I would make a special episode that undoes the finale and undoes Trip's death by giving us a prime timeline Lorien. Played by and modeled after Connor Trinneer (obvs with Vulcan ears ofc). I dont know if it would have to somehow fit into the story arc at the time. Unless the days of random unrelated episodes are not yet over and done.

    In any event something would be nice. 20 years is a big anniversary.

    Rather than a "Prime Timeline Lorian", I'd rather see them pick up where E² left off. They never definitively confirm what happened to Lorian's duplicate Enterprise, so they could have it get thrown to 2411 and build a mission that involved us finding it. This would give them a reason to build an NX interior (for the mission), allow for another NX ship variant based on Lorian's modified Enterprise, and it would give them the option to use T'Pol, Lorian, or Karyn Archer if the actors are up for it.

    I thought it was pretty obvious, since Archer and his crew didn't get trapped in the Delphic Expanse this time, that timeline with Lorian ceased to exist.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    I hope something is done to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Enterprise this year.

    Me personally I would make a special episode that undoes the finale and undoes Trip's death by giving us a prime timeline Lorien. Played by and modeled after Connor Trinneer (obvs with Vulcan ears ofc). I dont know if it would have to somehow fit into the story arc at the time. Unless the days of random unrelated episodes are not yet over and done.

    In any event something would be nice. 20 years is a big anniversary.

    Rather than a "Prime Timeline Lorian", I'd rather see them pick up where E² left off. They never definitively confirm what happened to Lorian's duplicate Enterprise, so they could have it get thrown to 2411 and build a mission that involved us finding it. This would give them a reason to build an NX interior (for the mission), allow for another NX ship variant based on Lorian's modified Enterprise, and it would give them the option to use T'Pol, Lorian, or Karyn Archer if the actors are up for it.

    I thought it was pretty obvious, since Archer and his crew didn't get trapped in the Delphic Expanse this time, that timeline with Lorian ceased to exist.

    It's implied that this was not the case, at the end of the episode Archer suggests it as a possibility and T'Pol points out the flaw in that idea when she says "If you're right, then why would we remember them?"
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,507 Arc User
    Technically, the new visual for the Legendary B'Rel is from ENT, but yeah, ENT could use more love.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Trip's death was near-universally acknowledged by Expanded Universe writers as a faked one so he could join Section 31 (and because nobody, not even his actor, approved this pathetic and pointless death), but it's not mentioned in the lore of STO as far as I know as it only focuses on the post-Nemesis era.

    Maybe STO could also make him a temporal agent like Chekov, working with T'Pol (for ironic values, as she initially didn't believe time travel was possible and now, it's her full-TIME (HA!) job).

    I hope STO could do something with Trip. His death was meaningless indeed, it's almost like they killed him off simply because no major character of the series had been killed off yet.

    Actually, they killed Trip off because Moonves ordered them to make a 'breaker' episode to try and head off the otherwise inevitable letter-writing campaign that could have cause enough of a ruckus for the real viewership numbers to get leaked.

    One of the top priorities of a breaker episode or movie is to kill off a popular character, preferably the usually quirky one on which the most chemistry depends on. In this case that was Trip. Of course, the writers purposely left a backdoor by making the whole episode nothing but a holodeck recreation, and (as behind the scenes people said in interviews) the plan was to do exactly that "coverup" angle if the show was reinstated which is why it is so prevalent in the expanded universe / fanfic stuff.

    As for time travel and paradox effects, it is quite possible that different time travel methods produce different side effects like that.

    The hype about the Kelvin stuff pretty much said as much in fact, Kurtzman was the spokesman for most of it (though the way DSC does time travel makes me suspect the branch idea originated with Orci instead of him) and said that time travel in what is now called the Kelvin stuff could not produce paradoxes that can be fixed like in the traditional Trek, it made permanent branches instead.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    I would be happy with just an NX style bridge.

    I'd love one...but they can't be bothered with that anymore...they can't be bothered to even link ships to current bridges...just everything new now defaults to the generic bridge.

    Discovery bridge had a full map and they didn't bother with any besides the bridge itself.

    Name of the game for Cryptic these days is doing as little as they possibly can.

    My guess is if they even acknowledge the anniversary, they will probably just give out the Enterprise pack for free again
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,777 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    Denobulan boffs or playable species would be a nice thing to add. Or Xindi Arboreals.

    maybe Insect and Reptilian Xindi too, you can already make Xindi Primates with Aliens.

    True, but I'd prefer 'real' species instead of alien generator ones, as great as they are in absence of the real thing.

    Insectoids and reptilians would be nice to have indeed, but I think that's more difficult for them to do with the models (for player characters at least, Boffs may be feasible as we already have a reptilian one).

    Xindi reptilians should be simple seeing as they share the same head ridges as DSC Klingons just paint them green, add scales, slit eyes and those stupid black things that stick out of their heads and there you have Xindi Reptilians.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,020 Community Moderator
    Don't even have to do that. A Xindi BOff already exists in game via Lobi Store.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,345 Arc User
    It's implied that this was not the case, at the end of the episode Archer suggests it as a possibility and T'Pol points out the flaw in that idea when she says "If you're right, then why would we remember them?"
    Why would Kirk remember the Federation ever existing, after Bones accidentally erased it out of existence, during "The City on the Edge of Forever". Hell why would Kirk even still be there at all given that the Federation never existed to allow him to be there?

    By that same token. Why would Daniels continue to exist after he accidentally destroyed the Federation by bringing Archer to his time during the "Shockwave" episode?

    Taking STO into account. Why would Worf remember Alexander going to back in time from 2409, to the TNG era, to try to make his younger self more of a warrior, to prevent Worf's death, when Alexander did become a warrior, died in the place of Worf, and thus, never had a reason to, and never COULD have for that matter, gone back in time to in time in the first place?

    Not to mention other episodes like "Past Tense", "Children of Time", "Time's Orphan", "Endgame", and others with similar paradoxes.

    Time travel in Star Trek has not been consistent, or ever really made sense. Half the time it involved some sort of paradox that should have plopped them out of existence entirely, and people still remember things that should have never happened, or never did happen.

    They remember the 2nd Enterprise, even if it got nuked out of existence, because that's just how time travel works in Star Trek.

    Time and reality is wholly relative to the observer, especially when you factor in 'Multi-verse and Parallel Worlds' theory (Grandfather's Paradox aside) :lol: Star Trek has covered all these, but in reality, I'm more the relative to the observer.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Don't even have to do that. A Xindi BOff already exists in game via Lobi Store.

    True, but if I'm not mistaken, devs have stated in the past that boffs are easier to make than player models because the latter have to be compatible with all sorts of uniforms, must be able to perform all emotes and a wider variety of actions and so on.

    Hence why I didn't include them and especially Insectoids in my first wish 'list'.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Our captains have traveled through time to points much, much farther back than Enterprise. This sounds more like a lack of will and/or imagination on their part.
    Due to events that were relevant to the current day of STO, such as the Iconian's invasion of the galaxy.

    And the Temporal Cold War, which spanned from the ENT era, all the way to Daniels time in 3050. But we already did the TWC plot, which was the main plot of ENT's first three seasons, as well at the start of S4. And most of the rest of ENT's episodes were them negotiating peace between the Andorians, Vulcans, and Tellarites, and seeing tech like holodecks, or replicators, for the first time. And we already know where those plots end up.

    So, what exactly is left from ENT to really cover in STO?

    People tend to forget it, but the entire Enterprise series is basically the result of time travel.

    No, I'm not talking about the Borg from First Contact. Archer's ship launched the way and at the time it did due to the temporal cold war. That was the reason Klaang crashed on Earth and why the NX launched before it would have.

    We saw at the end of the TCW that a lot of the damage done by the warring factions was undone. But Enterprise was still there and its mission didn't change. Most of the events we saw in the series weren't undone.

    So basically they could come up with any sort of story in our time and with enough reasoning you could say it was a result of changes in the timeline in Archer's time, which the NX's launch is a major example of. It's not like STO's storytellers haven't tried to link everything together in the past.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,789 Arc User
    Besides, we've got these simulations, we've got missions where we're defending a centuries old starbase that shouldn't even be around.

    We've got episodes with Michael Burnham showing up when they could have picked any character from any series to fill her role in those episodes.

    It's not like a proper fit with the rest of the story has been much of a requirement for new content lately. They've shown to be flexible, there's little reason why we can't have Enterprise content. Even if it's just a redo of ENT episode content.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited February 2021
    valoreah wrote: »
    Cryptic has mentioned that ENT is the hardest show to do content for, because its set so far into the past that it doesn't really make sense any of it would still be relevant today.

    Our captains have traveled through time to points much, much farther back than Enterprise. This sounds more like a lack of will and/or imagination on their part.

    He's always making excuses for his beloved Devs

    They probably didn't like Enterprise much so they avoided it...the Devs develop the game they want, not what the players want.

    That excuse especially doesn't hold much water especially since we've dealt with Daniels and we have no problem hopping all over visiting TOS and even Discovery's time...early to mid 23rd century ships able to keep up and in some cases even outpace 25th century ships. 23rd century Klingon able to design a computer virus that takes over 25th century ships

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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    It's implied that this was not the case, at the end of the episode Archer suggests it as a possibility and T'Pol points out the flaw in that idea when she says "If you're right, then why would we remember them?"
    Taking STO into account. Why would Worf remember Alexander going to back in time from 2409, to the TNG era, to try to make his younger self more of a warrior, to prevent Worf's death, when Alexander did become a warrior, died in the place of Worf, and thus, never had a reason to, and never COULD have for that matter, gone back in time to in time in the first place?

    That is easy, and would actually support the possibility of Lorian and his crew still existing. When Alexander went back in time the timeline split, just as it did for the JJ movies, so his subsequent death and inability to time travel again doesn't matter because it was a different Alexander.

    The same would be the case with Lorian. When the duplicate Enterprise and her crew arrived in the past the timeline split, in the universe they came from the Xindi likely destroyed Earth, but their presence in the new timeline prevented the same thing from happening to Prime Earth because the Prime NX-01 was not sent to the past.

    This logic could be extended to most time travel situations in Trek, for example First Contact could actually feature three timelines: one in which Zephram Cochrane's flight went as normal while the Borg Sphere and Enterprise-E disappeared after the Battle of Sector 001 and never returned, one in which the borg successfully assimilated Earth in the past, and a third where the Enterprise arrived in the past, helped Cochrane, and then returned to the year they came from but in a new timeline created by their time travel.
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