I don't see it as a data base issue. The bridge is an instance, no? A simple correlation between what you own and what you applied to said ship should not be that difficult. For ones that have the choices it works, as I have a few with the same layouts. So it is possible, it's just why they haven't allowed players to use what they bought.
According to Cryptic, bridge selection has to be manually set for every single ship in the game individually, and Klingon and Fed players technically have separate versions of the same bridge, to account for faction appropriate NPCs.
This sort of thing is also why many ships couldn't use the ISS prefix for a long time, since that has to be manually set for every ship also.
Considering what happened when Titan-class starships was made available to KDF characters, and a fight could break out between the Starfleet NPCs and the KDF player (I don't know if this was fixed or not)....
Not really looking forward to another alliance ship honestly, I really didn't care for the design of the previous one.
For me I was conflicted by the round Saucer, something more Endeavour Tactical, or Arbiter Battlecruiser styled; yet everyone has there own way of looking at design. Still, it was nice to see merging of Klingon & Federation elements; many will be happy with the 'soon' to be announced ship I'm sure.
Also, it would be nice to have the old standard interiors beyond the bridges accessible too for the ones that do not come with their own custom ones, if the newer bridge turbolifts are nothing but the doors they could script the door to pop up the transfer button and it would work just as well as long as the range is kept short. It is all instanced maps so in theory they could string anything together like that.
Yea, I'd love the Walker bridge for the Garagin, or Titan to allow for Lower Decks access. The same would be nice for the Romulan Scimitar Bridge, along with a few limited Faction Starships interiors that are just the bridge only. I also wish the default Origin Bridge for each faction was slightly updated, given a little of the Aquarius treatment with Holo displays, so it was slightly modernized. The Fed origin bridge flooring is fabulous.
I once wrote years ago, it be nice to customize Interior's more, through an expanded Trophy Mechanic to replace Chairs, Desks, Rugs, Wall Lights, Paintings, Artifacts, Musical Instruments, Beds, and others just as they do in Ten Forward, Ready Room for Wall or Floor Trophies. If they allowed Trophies being acquired another way, with Zen, Lobi, or GPL & DIL, or something else. I think it be a nice way to reflect a bit more of the Captain's personality at least in those 3 rooms on the Starship interior.
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Not really looking forward to another alliance ship honestly, I really didn't care for the design of the previous one.
For me I was conflicted by the round Saucer, something more Endeavour Tactical, or Arbiter Battlecruiser styled; yet everyone has there own way of looking at design. Still, it was nice to see merging of Klingon & Federation elements; many will be happy with the 'soon' to be announced ship I'm sure.
Yea... It would have looked better with a less round saucer, and maybe shorten the nacelle pylons so they weren't so low. But it was very clearly a merging of Fed and KDF that doesn't look that bad from certain angles. I can see the Klingon influence with the more D7ish layout, and the Federation elements like the "phaser" strips and design elements in the nacelles and saucer.
Eh.. i just said was going to be a escort.. good, i was right!
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Looking forward to seeing the stats on this thing. While I doubt its going to be a game changer, and some people are going to shoot it down for being inferior to something or other... a Klingon/Romulan design is interesting. And I wonder if, like the Khitomer, its going to have the name displayed on the hull, maybe in Klingon and Romulan?
I had predicted for a while that it was going to be a Klingon/Romulan hybrid. Unfortunately, the color scheme is pretty awful (what about Klingons + Romulans = black and white? It should be, like, green and brown), and it's a Raider, which means 95% of us will never play it (because a) Raiders aren't that appealing in the meta, and b) - outside the Defiant - don't feel much like Star Trek).
I'm by no means devastated, but this could have been much better.
I had predicted for a while that it was going to be a Klingon/Romulan hybrid. Unfortunately, the color scheme is pretty awful (what about Klingons + Romulans = black and white? It should be, like, green and brown), and it's a Raider, which means 95% of us will never play it (because a) Raiders aren't that appealing in the meta, and b) - outside the Defiant - don't feel much like Star Trek).
I'm by no means devastated, but this could have been much better.
The black and white scheme is, going by the Khitomer, an alliance colour scheme.
I disagree on raiders not feeling like star trek. From the fed perspective perhaps but those of us who roll KDF, the raider is a fundamental aspect of Klingon culture and style.
I had predicted for a while that it was going to be a Klingon/Romulan hybrid. Unfortunately, the color scheme is pretty awful (what about Klingons + Romulans = black and white? It should be, like, green and brown), and it's a Raider, which means 95% of us will never play it (because a) Raiders aren't that appealing in the meta, and b) - outside the Defiant - don't feel much like Star Trek).
I'm by no means devastated, but this could have been much better.
The black and white scheme is, going by the Khitomer, an alliance colour scheme.
I disagree on raiders not feeling like star trek. From the fed perspective perhaps but those of us who roll KDF, the raider is a fundamental aspect of Klingon culture and style.
Okay, well it's not a fundamental aspect of Romulan culture and style. Moreover, this thing doesn't really look Romulan at all - it's like the love child of a bird of prey and a Kahless-class. In fact, I have a pretty strong sense that there's no Romulan influence present in this design at all, and that Cryptic designed a Klingon ship from the ground-up and were like, "oh, TRIBBLE, maybe we should throw the Romies a bone." So, magically, it's a 'hybrid.'
I had predicted for a while that it was going to be a Klingon/Romulan hybrid. Unfortunately, the color scheme is pretty awful (what about Klingons + Romulans = black and white? It should be, like, green and brown), and it's a Raider, which means 95% of us will never play it (because a) Raiders aren't that appealing in the meta, and b) - outside the Defiant - don't feel much like Star Trek).
I'm by no means devastated, but this could have been much better.
The black and white scheme is, going by the Khitomer, an alliance colour scheme.
I disagree on raiders not feeling like star trek. From the fed perspective perhaps but those of us who roll KDF, the raider is a fundamental aspect of Klingon culture and style.
Okay, well it's not a fundamental aspect of Romulan culture and style. Moreover, this thing doesn't really look Romulan at all - it's like the love child of a bird of prey and a Kahless-class. In fact, I have a pretty strong sense that there's no Romulan influence present in this design at all, and that Cryptic designed a Klingon ship from the ground-up and were like, "oh, TRIBBLE, maybe we should throw the Romies a bone." So, magically, it's a 'hybrid.'
b) - outside the Defiant - don't feel much like Star Trek).
I wasn't personally hoping for a raider/escort either, but this is pretty silly. BoPs, which this is clearly iterating on, are easily one of the most iconic Trek ships.
b) - outside the Defiant - don't feel much like Star Trek).
I wasn't personally hoping for a raider/escort either, but this is pretty silly. BoPs, which this is clearly iterating on, are easily one of the most iconic Trek ships.
Birds of prey in STO don't act like birds of prey in the shows. The only ship that has ever been portrayed to move even remotely like the escorts in this game is the Defiant.
Being a Klingon-Romulan design I'm curious if it will use a warp core or a singularity core.
Probably a singularity core, to help differentiate it from the typical Klingon Bird-of-Prey raider.
I just don't think Singularity Cores are worth the extra effort to boost their deficient power levels anymore when compared to Warp Cores & even the added abilities Singularities provide, but I'm probably setting-up my Singularity Core build incorrectly. If it ends-up being Singularity I probably won't use it.
I just got back after being massively pissed that they gave the tier six defiant a battle cloak. The thing is the most effective escort/bird of prey in the game now. Anyways on to the subject at hand. The devs put the Defiant faction opposite consoles on a bird of prey. In fact they have yet to come up with a raptor that looks good and can fly as good as the Defiant, with the same resists. Even if they did it still would not have battle cloak. So you can thank the devs for not thinking that one over at all. Check out the KDF ships some time and your going to think to yourself wtf. To me this was another hit and miss there trying to force kdf players to use Alliance ships. To those of us that find the Klingons interesting and fun that will never fly with us. The Bird of prey is way outside the area of competitive play these days with everything out there. The raptor could takes its place but then they would have to put true raptors out there that can do something, not these mini starfighters aka pilot raptors, or these oversized raptors that can not maneuver at all, like the Mat'Ha. The recon raptor had promise but its hull was low and it too could barely maneuver.
Now time for some paranoia, I swear they are doing this on purpose to try to force kdf players into alliance ships. Back to normal one more thing, a meta is a build that uses the properties of the game in a way that was not intended. A build that is considered high end is a competitive build.
b) - outside the Defiant - don't feel much like Star Trek).
I wasn't personally hoping for a raider/escort either, but this is pretty silly. BoPs, which this is clearly iterating on, are easily one of the most iconic Trek ships.
Birds of prey in STO don't act like birds of prey in the shows. The only ship that has ever been portrayed to move even remotely like the escorts in this game is the Defiant.
Being a Klingon-Romulan design I'm curious if it will use a warp core or a singularity core.
Probably a singularity core, to help differentiate it from the typical Klingon Bird-of-Prey raider.
I just don't think Singularity Cores are worth the extra effort to boost their deficient power levels anymore when compared to Warp Cores & even the added abilities Singularities provide, but I'm probably setting-up my Singularity Core build incorrectly. If it ends-up being Singularity I probably won't use it.
No, you are correct in the assessment that singularities are inferior to cores. Those added abilities are ones you almost NEVER use because the special abilities of many cores are tied to having charges of it. It recharges really slowly with a long cooldown...for losing 40 power, the singularity abilities are not worth it.
As for the anni ship...what part of that is Romulan design?!? No seriously. The big giant wing cannons? Nope, that is Klingon. Wings? while Romulan ships do use wings...so does Klingon ones...so...nope there. The thick neck? Nope, Romulan ships that has necks are thin and slender. The big hammer head? Yeah...so much nope.
Considering that Romulan and Klingon ship design share a lot of similar structures and themes, it's going to be hard to differentiate them no matter what. Seriously, if you throw the various ships together and show them to someone who isn't a Trekkie, they're unlikely to be able to tell which faction they belong to. Neck, forward 'nose' section/head, wings, broad aft, 'square' nacelles. Harder lines/edges or smoother lines/edges is on a ship-by-ship basis, with either faction sliding one direction or the other.
Add in the fact that Romulan and Klingon ships were being swapped around since the original series. The Klingons were the replacement for Romulans (it was cheaper to use brown makeup and fake facial hair than it was to make form fitting pointed ear prosthetics). They probably would have reused the Bird of Prey for the Klingons, but the maker of the Romulan Bird of Prey destroyed the model in a dispute over payment. So they created the D-7 inhouse.
When the Enterprise Incident script came along, they decided to reuse the Klingon D-7, and created a technology exchange between the two common enemies of Starfleet as the backstory for the recycled ship, while updating the threat of the Klingons.
Flash forward to STIII: Search for Spock, the Romulans, who were the antagonists in the original script, was swapped for the Klingons. The Bird-of-Prey was meant as the replacement/update to the Romulan Bird of Prey. They were going to go back to the drawing board for the ship, but Leonard Nimoy who insisted on swapping out the Romulans in the first place really loved the design of the BoP, so it stayed on.
After that, Klingon ships were designed with stolen Romulan avian decorations.
Being a Klingon-Romulan design I'm curious if it will use a warp core or a singularity core.
Probably a singularity core, to help differentiate it from the typical Klingon Bird-of-Prey raider.
I just don't think Singularity Cores are worth the extra effort to boost their deficient power levels anymore when compared to Warp Cores & even the added abilities Singularities provide, but I'm probably setting-up my Singularity Core build incorrectly. If it ends-up being Singularity I probably won't use it.
No, you are correct in the assessment that singularities are inferior to cores. Those added abilities are ones you almost NEVER use because the special abilities of many cores are tied to having charges of it. It recharges really slowly with a long cooldown...for losing 40 power, the singularity abilities are not worth it.
As for the anni ship...what part of that is Romulan design?!? No seriously. The big giant wing cannons? Nope, that is Klingon. Wings? while Romulan ships do use wings...so does Klingon ones...so...nope there. The thick neck? Nope, Romulan ships that has necks are thin and slender. The big hammer head? Yeah...so much nope.
IMO, it just looks like a reimagined bird of prey in flight mode. I guess you could argue that the nacelles are sort of Romulan in design, but there's nothing particularly distinct about them (especially since the Romulans seem to use a different nacelle design on every different ship).
They least they could have done is made the thing grey and green, but - nope! The color isn't Klingon, of course, but it certainly doesn't harken to Romulans, either.
Being a Klingon-Romulan design I'm curious if it will use a warp core or a singularity core.
Probably a singularity core, to help differentiate it from the typical Klingon Bird-of-Prey raider.
I just don't think Singularity Cores are worth the extra effort to boost their deficient power levels anymore when compared to Warp Cores & even the added abilities Singularities provide, but I'm probably setting-up my Singularity Core build incorrectly. If it ends-up being Singularity I probably won't use it.
No, you are correct in the assessment that singularities are inferior to cores. Those added abilities are ones you almost NEVER use because the special abilities of many cores are tied to having charges of it. It recharges really slowly with a long cooldown...for losing 40 power, the singularity abilities are not worth it.
As for the anni ship...what part of that is Romulan design?!? No seriously. The big giant wing cannons? Nope, that is Klingon. Wings? while Romulan ships do use wings...so does Klingon ones...so...nope there. The thick neck? Nope, Romulan ships that has necks are thin and slender. The big hammer head? Yeah...so much nope.
IMO, it just looks like a reimagined bird of prey in flight mode. I guess you could argue that the nacelles are sort of Romulan in design, but there's nothing particularly distinct about them (especially since the Romulans seem to use a different nacelle design on every different ship).
They least they could have done is made the thing grey and green, but - nope! The color isn't Klingon, of course, but it certainly doesn't harken to Romulans, either.
The color scheme is *Khitomer Alliance*. That's why it's not green or grey -- the ship isn't Romulan or Klingon.
The main hull is Romulan in design. I also think the wings look more Romulan than Klingon too - but that is more open to interpretation. The head is Klingon, and the cannons definitely have a Klingon look to them.
I think it looks awesome, and look forward to getting hold of it. I also like the Alliance colour scheme, even if it does look a bit Cerberus (from Mass Effect) to me.
The color scheme is *Khitomer Alliance*. That's why it's not green or grey -- the ship isn't Romulan or Klingon.
Funny how that's now the Alliance paint scheme, when the Khitomer was brown and whitish grey - a clear nod to the Federation and Klingon Empire.
Seems to me that the Khitomer Alliance's aesthetic changes to suit the mood of whatever artist is designing a given ship. In this case, they missed the mark. Black and white is ugly. It might as well be christened the AFS Spacecow.
I like this ship design. As far as the colors, that's where vanity shields come in handy. Aside from the Romulan rep shield, the Ferengi Liquidators shield is also green. As for KDF style: Fek'lhri vanity shield. I'm curious whether it has a singularity core or warp core too, on the one hand I like the singularity core powers, on the other hand, they take up a bunch of tray slots. (Since the Khitomer was warp core, it wouldn't surprise me if the Temer is singularity core.)
Definitely gives me some romulan dyson ship vibes - especially from the nacelles and aft view.
Interested in the unique gimmick(s) of the ship. While unlikely, I'd love to see it come with some quad AP cannons or something along the lines of the Mahta autocannon.
It'd probably need some options like a full pilot spec/pilot maneuvers variant and battlecloak for me to give it serious consideration for actually using it though.
The main hull is Romulan in design. I also think the wings look more Romulan than Klingon too - but that is more open to interpretation. The head is Klingon, and the cannons definitely have a Klingon look to them.
I think it looks awesome, and look forward to getting hold of it. I also like the Alliance colour scheme, even if it does look a bit Cerberus (from Mass Effect) to me.
Definitely gives me some romulan dyson ship vibes - especially from the nacelles and aft view.
Interested in the unique gimmick(s) of the ship. While unlikely, I'd love to see it come with some quad AP cannons or something along the lines of the Mahta autocannon.
It'd probably need some options like a full pilot spec/pilot maneuvers variant and battlecloak for me to give it serious consideration for actually using it though.
Yea it also gives me a Dyson Vibe as well. Still hoping we'll see a few T6 Dyson ships at some point, though the T6 Titan could fit into that category as well, given the Tactical Mode it shares with them.
I like this ship design. As far as the colors, that's where vanity shields come in handy. Aside from the Romulan rep shield, the Ferengi Liquidators shield is also green. As for KDF style: Fek'lhri vanity shield. I'm curious whether it has a singularity core or warp core too, on the one hand I like the singularity core powers, on the other hand, they take up a bunch of tray slots. (Since the Khitomer was warp core, it wouldn't surprise me if the Temer is singularity core.)
True about the Singularity using up Tray Space; thankfully a year ago Space was given a 4th row!
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Considering what happened when Titan-class starships was made available to KDF characters, and a fight could break out between the Starfleet NPCs and the KDF player (I don't know if this was fixed or not)....
For me I was conflicted by the round Saucer, something more Endeavour Tactical, or Arbiter Battlecruiser styled; yet everyone has there own way of looking at design. Still, it was nice to see merging of Klingon & Federation elements; many will be happy with the 'soon' to be announced ship I'm sure.
Yea, I'd love the Walker bridge for the Garagin, or Titan to allow for Lower Decks access. The same would be nice for the Romulan Scimitar Bridge, along with a few limited Faction Starships interiors that are just the bridge only. I also wish the default Origin Bridge for each faction was slightly updated, given a little of the Aquarius treatment with Holo displays, so it was slightly modernized. The Fed origin bridge flooring is fabulous.
I once wrote years ago, it be nice to customize Interior's more, through an expanded Trophy Mechanic to replace Chairs, Desks, Rugs, Wall Lights, Paintings, Artifacts, Musical Instruments, Beds, and others just as they do in Ten Forward, Ready Room for Wall or Floor Trophies. If they allowed Trophies being acquired another way, with Zen, Lobi, or GPL & DIL, or something else. I think it be a nice way to reflect a bit more of the Captain's personality at least in those 3 rooms on the Starship interior.
Yea... It would have looked better with a less round saucer, and maybe shorten the nacelle pylons so they weren't so low. But it was very clearly a merging of Fed and KDF that doesn't look that bad from certain angles. I can see the Klingon influence with the more D7ish layout, and the Federation elements like the "phaser" strips and design elements in the nacelles and saucer.
I'm by no means devastated, but this could have been much better.
The black and white scheme is, going by the Khitomer, an alliance colour scheme.
I disagree on raiders not feeling like star trek. From the fed perspective perhaps but those of us who roll KDF, the raider is a fundamental aspect of Klingon culture and style.
Okay, well it's not a fundamental aspect of Romulan culture and style. Moreover, this thing doesn't really look Romulan at all - it's like the love child of a bird of prey and a Kahless-class. In fact, I have a pretty strong sense that there's no Romulan influence present in this design at all, and that Cryptic designed a Klingon ship from the ground-up and were like, "oh, TRIBBLE, maybe we should throw the Romies a bone." So, magically, it's a 'hybrid.'
Take a look at the Faeht Intel warbird
I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess singularity.
Probably a singularity core, to help differentiate it from the typical Klingon Bird-of-Prey raider.
I doubt this one's gonna be any different. Sigh.
Like at least let us just select from existing bridges and interiors.
I wasn't personally hoping for a raider/escort either, but this is pretty silly. BoPs, which this is clearly iterating on, are easily one of the most iconic Trek ships.
Birds of prey in STO don't act like birds of prey in the shows. The only ship that has ever been portrayed to move even remotely like the escorts in this game is the Defiant.
Even if you argue "well, they didn't have the money," the bird of prey in Generations - with a film budget behind it - is no more agile.
I just don't think Singularity Cores are worth the extra effort to boost their deficient power levels anymore when compared to Warp Cores & even the added abilities Singularities provide, but I'm probably setting-up my Singularity Core build incorrectly. If it ends-up being Singularity I probably won't use it.
Now time for some paranoia, I swear they are doing this on purpose to try to force kdf players into alliance ships. Back to normal one more thing, a meta is a build that uses the properties of the game in a way that was not intended. A build that is considered high end is a competitive build.
Moot. None of the ships in STO act like their counterparts from the shows.
Add in the fact that Romulan and Klingon ships were being swapped around since the original series. The Klingons were the replacement for Romulans (it was cheaper to use brown makeup and fake facial hair than it was to make form fitting pointed ear prosthetics). They probably would have reused the Bird of Prey for the Klingons, but the maker of the Romulan Bird of Prey destroyed the model in a dispute over payment. So they created the D-7 inhouse.
When the Enterprise Incident script came along, they decided to reuse the Klingon D-7, and created a technology exchange between the two common enemies of Starfleet as the backstory for the recycled ship, while updating the threat of the Klingons.
Flash forward to STIII: Search for Spock, the Romulans, who were the antagonists in the original script, was swapped for the Klingons. The Bird-of-Prey was meant as the replacement/update to the Romulan Bird of Prey. They were going to go back to the drawing board for the ship, but Leonard Nimoy who insisted on swapping out the Romulans in the first place really loved the design of the BoP, so it stayed on.
After that, Klingon ships were designed with stolen Romulan avian decorations.
IMO, it just looks like a reimagined bird of prey in flight mode. I guess you could argue that the nacelles are sort of Romulan in design, but there's nothing particularly distinct about them (especially since the Romulans seem to use a different nacelle design on every different ship).
They least they could have done is made the thing grey and green, but - nope! The color isn't Klingon, of course, but it certainly doesn't harken to Romulans, either.
I guess they just can't do any wrong, eh?
This is why I loathe fandoms.
I think it looks awesome, and look forward to getting hold of it. I also like the Alliance colour scheme, even if it does look a bit Cerberus (from Mass Effect) to me.
Funny how that's now the Alliance paint scheme, when the Khitomer was brown and whitish grey - a clear nod to the Federation and Klingon Empire.
Seems to me that the Khitomer Alliance's aesthetic changes to suit the mood of whatever artist is designing a given ship. In this case, they missed the mark. Black and white is ugly. It might as well be christened the AFS Spacecow.
Interested in the unique gimmick(s) of the ship. While unlikely, I'd love to see it come with some quad AP cannons or something along the lines of the Mahta autocannon.
It'd probably need some options like a full pilot spec/pilot maneuvers variant and battlecloak for me to give it serious consideration for actually using it though.
Yea I also think it looks awesome!
Yea it also gives me a Dyson Vibe as well. Still hoping we'll see a few T6 Dyson ships at some point, though the T6 Titan could fit into that category as well, given the Tactical Mode it shares with them.
True about the Singularity using up Tray Space; thankfully a year ago Space was given a 4th row!