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chrisevans34chrisevans34 Member Posts: 260 Arc User
So with all the carriers we now have in this game, what do you think is the best carrier? and why?
I fell in love with the D7 Miracle worker Flight deck carrier. just it has the 8 weapon loadout, 12 console slots, love having that universal console. 2 hangar bays can equip firgates, tho ive been stuck with the Elite tactical fighters, such a load of little ships 72 little tough fighters. i will get round to trying all the different types of pets on it.
what do you think is the best pet? and best Universal pet?
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    vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,857 Arc User
    I don't know if the KDF fighters are the same as the disconnie's but IMHO they are the best in game unless you are up agianst an enemy that does a lot of AOE like the voth. the bug frigates are the best in game, again, mho, though the romulan drones kick butt too
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    chrisevans34chrisevans34 Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    I don't know if the KDF fighters are the same as the disconnie's but IMHO they are the best in game unless you are up agianst an enemy that does a lot of AOE like the voth. the bug frigates are the best in game, again, mho, though the romulan drones kick butt too

    now see the rommie drones im liking that we can equip them on the new rommie carrier, and whats also cool is my rommie/kdf carrier toon, can fly, the kdf/rommie/dominion carriers hehe so i got all 3 fleet versions, and its great just gotta get dil to unlock pets, also the bug pets on the dominion carrier is great.
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    chrisevans34chrisevans34 Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    now all we need cryptic to do is change them, cause those new carrier 6 weapons slots, 11 console slots, 2 hangar bays.....it seems pretty meh tho such a let down as we lose out on the flight deck carriers that can have 8 weapon slots :(
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    vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,857 Arc User
    the gunboats are not bugs. IMHO the bugs are still better
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    chrisevans34chrisevans34 Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    the gunboats are not bugs. IMHO the bugs are still better

    yeah i know but u can equip those on the new jem carrier
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,057 Community Moderator
    I'm partial to Elite Slavers KDF side. Fed side I like the Elite Class Cs.
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    pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,178 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    There is no best pet and carrier though there are top tier and trash tier. Drone Ships and Lost Souls are top tier. Squadrons are top tier but behind drones and souls. 2nd best carrier for me is the Xindi Carrier and all 3 types of Xindi pets. Best carrier for me is the Vorgon Ryn'kodan but best carrier is a personally thing based on play style. The Voth Carrier and both Jem carriers are top tier as well. The new rom carrier is top tier purely from how amazing Drone ships are. Take away drone ships and use other pets and its a middle tier carrier.

    From what I remember from testing Tactical Flyer Squadrons are middle tier. Pretty good but not as good as the top pets.

    https://www.sto-league.com/a-brief-guide-to-getting-the-most-out-of-hanger-pets/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/iflimr/dps_comparison_of_various_hangar_pets_including/

    Lots of data there for best pet. Best DPS pet changes based on traits used, bridge officer powers used and map being played.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,350 Arc User
    I hate to disagree with the others, but the best C-Store Carriers are BOTH of the Jem'hadar characters, providing you stick to a Polaron build. The 2 Wingmen pack a big punch, and you can use the Squadran hangars or Frigates on top of that. Obviously the actual best Carrier is the Donnie.
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    szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    My favorite carrier is still the JHVC. It's deep enough into Sci to do respectable space magic and has enough Tactical to pack a pretty mean bite. It also has an Intel seat, wingmen, and can deploy a pretty good pet(BO, BFAW, and Torp Spread) with its console(which can be used on other ships). I run mine with a control build; GW3 + Ionic Turbulence + Scramble Sensors(17s~) is a really mean combo, which is then followed up with (SAD-boosted) CSV and Torp Spread.

    My favorite hangar pets are still the Orion Interceptors(super-fast, have beams, tractor beams, and a unique weapon/engine drain-beam), but the new support frigates are pretty handy too. The lack of an Interceptor counterpart is probably one of the main reasons I don't run many carriers on the Federation side.

    "Best" is subjective, depending on what you're after.
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    lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    I like the Sarcophagus dread carrier. It can output big hp, especially with disco set, has 4 tac consoles, its fighters do good damage and their instant recast synergizes well with traits based on launch pets command
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    fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    Carriers are not my first to go ships. I do fly them mainly for a trait. The Vorgon carrier is a good example. I stick to the standard weapons (tetryon) and put some consoles on it. Then I burn through content as it is nothing. The ship is ugly so I don't want to fly it on a regular basis, but it is a hell of a ship.
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    doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,194 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    There is no best pet and carrier though there are top tier and trash tier. Drone Ships and Lost Souls are top tier. Squadrons are top tier but behind drones and souls. 2nd best carrier for me is the Xindi Carrier and all 3 types of Xindi pets. Best carrier for me is the Vorgon Ryn'kodan but best carrier is a personally thing based on play style. The Voth Carrier and both Jem carriers are top tier as well. The new rom carrier is top tier purely from how amazing Drone ships are. Take away drone ships and use other pets and its a middle tier carrier.

    From what I remember from testing Tactical Flyer Squadrons are middle tier. Pretty good but not as good as the top pets.

    https://www.sto-league.com/a-brief-guide-to-getting-the-most-out-of-hanger-pets/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/iflimr/dps_comparison_of_various_hangar_pets_including/

    Lots of data there for best pet. Best DPS pet changes based on traits used, bridge officer powers used and map being played.

    I doubt that the To'Duj Fighter Squadron with Superior Area Denial are behind Drone Ships or Lost Souls in Terms of DPS. Also compared to Flight Deck Carriers all "real" Carriers are lackluster.

    To OP: The D7 is one of the best carriers to have no doubt and if you pair that bad boy with normal To'Duj Figher Squadrons and Superior Area Denial you can create a monster.

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    darknovasc01darknovasc01 Member Posts: 165 Arc User
    Do the basic Lost Souls perform better than the elite versions? I seem to remember someone saying that they had got them the wrong way around after they came out.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,057 Community Moderator

    To OP: The D7 is one of the best carriers to have no doubt and if you pair that bad boy with normal To'Duj Figher Squadrons and Superior Area Denial you can create a monster.

    I'm planning on equipping mine (whenever I can save up enough ECs to buy it) with Elite Slavers and Superior Area Denial.
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    bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    OP you already mentioned the BEST carrier....D7 Miracle worker Flight deck carrier! ENJOY
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    foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    I doubt they're the best but I discovered while leveling-up a KDF toon those Lost Souls of Gre'thor & have been impressed with them at least for their dps. They die quickly but they launch & relaunch quickly too. Not sure how much better, or worth, the Advanced & Elite might be.
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    pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,178 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    There is no best pet and carrier though there are top tier and trash tier. Drone Ships and Lost Souls are top tier. Squadrons are top tier but behind drones and souls. 2nd best carrier for me is the Xindi Carrier and all 3 types of Xindi pets. Best carrier for me is the Vorgon Ryn'kodan but best carrier is a personally thing based on play style. The Voth Carrier and both Jem carriers are top tier as well. The new rom carrier is top tier purely from how amazing Drone ships are. Take away drone ships and use other pets and its a middle tier carrier.

    From what I remember from testing Tactical Flyer Squadrons are middle tier. Pretty good but not as good as the top pets.

    https://www.sto-league.com/a-brief-guide-to-getting-the-most-out-of-hanger-pets/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/iflimr/dps_comparison_of_various_hangar_pets_including/

    Lots of data there for best pet. Best DPS pet changes based on traits used, bridge officer powers used and map being played.

    I doubt that the To'Duj Fighter Squadron with Superior Area Denial are behind Drone Ships or Lost Souls in Terms of DPS. Also compared to Flight Deck Carriers all "real" Carriers are lackluster.

    To OP: The D7 is one of the best carriers to have no doubt and if you pair that bad boy with normal To'Duj Figher Squadrons and Superior Area Denial you can create a monster.
    It depends on what you are doing. Generally I agree with you Flight Deck Carriers are just flat out better but there are a few exceptions. I would still pick a Vorgon Ryn'kodan over any Flight Deck Carrier. The Xindi-Aquatic Briostrys and Fek'Ihri Fe'rang full carriers as well. All 3 full carriers are unique enough to have advantages over Flight Deck Carriers in some areas.

    To be honest I haven't got around to testing To'Duj Fighter Squadron personally. I will add that into my own testing for later. From what I have seen of other peoples testing To'Duj Fighter Squadron are top tier in the same league as Drone Ships and Lost Souls.

    The thing about Lost Souls just in case you are not aware you can stack scramble fighters, x3 Doffs and traits to get a 165% damage boost. To'Duj Fighter Squadron's just cannot get near that type of damage boost. Without the damage boost To'Duj Fighter Squadron will be miles ahead but stack up that 165% damage boost and Lost Souls get crasy DPS.


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    pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,178 Arc User
    I doubt they're the best but I discovered while leveling-up a KDF toon those Lost Souls of Gre'thor & have been impressed with them at least for their dps. They die quickly but they launch & relaunch quickly too. Not sure how much better, or worth, the Advanced & Elite might be.
    Do the basic Lost Souls perform better than the elite versions? I seem to remember someone saying that they had got them the wrong way around after they came out.
    Advanced and Elite Lost Souls are large downgrades. Stick to the basic ones. One of the many major bugs with hanger pets is that many of them get worse when you upgrade them to advanced or Elite :(

    If you use Lost Souls make sure you take advantage of x3 Hanger Bay recharge doffs and Scrambled Fighters as the damage boost is just off the charts. The Souls will hit for well over 10k per shot from what I remember.

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    chrisevans34chrisevans34 Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    There is no best pet and carrier though there are top tier and trash tier. Drone Ships and Lost Souls are top tier. Squadrons are top tier but behind drones and souls. 2nd best carrier for me is the Xindi Carrier and all 3 types of Xindi pets. Best carrier for me is the Vorgon Ryn'kodan but best carrier is a personally thing based on play style. The Voth Carrier and both Jem carriers are top tier as well. The new rom carrier is top tier purely from how amazing Drone ships are. Take away drone ships and use other pets and its a middle tier carrier.

    so what is it about engineering carrier, especially the Ryn'kodan makes it the best for you?
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    chrisevans34chrisevans34 Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    so ok i see i was vague, i was really just seeing what people thought was best in their eyes. see i rarely play now just i dont know kinda bored now because im lost what to do really, i miss it but what id like, now i know we have 4 BZ's the best for me is badlands, tho wish cud get rid of the blaring orange colours, but they really need to release a much harder version, its like a normal version of a stf, get it on elite difficulty and id never leave lol. but anyways i digress, play style for me always tact based, not really got into sci magic never fount it much interesting tbh, but saying that having a strong gravwell to help group the enemies up for my pets now were laughing, but meh... so for me id say more heavy tact based raw fire power lol. what i really have been trying to aim for is, i had this idea, where im like a mobile starbase and my wee minions do my bidding lol. Okay i know that would not ever happen but ideas nice lol.
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    chrisevans34chrisevans34 Member Posts: 260 Arc User
    see like the new carriers i love the look of the jem and rommie ships, and like i said i have all 3 fleet versions, did buy the jem cstore version so i have the trait but thats really it. but the loadout for the ships im unsure commander sci i wish it had commander tact or eng instead.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,544 Arc User
    I only have two T6 full carriers so far, the Blackguard (which may be a flight deck cruiser) and the Fe'rang. I like the Blackguard and its fighters, but not so much the Fe'rang since it is so ungainly it is fatiguing to fly (though the lost soul fighters are great).

    I don't have any two-bay T6 carriers from the other factions though I have the T5 Atrox (which is nice) and I have several single-bay dred-cruisers like the Chronos class. My favorite T5u carrier is the Kar-Fi, it is one of only two ships that I have upgraded to T5u (the Kar-Fi and the N'Kaam) so far though I would like to eventually do that with the Atrox and the Ar'kif as well.

    Of the fighters I have available the best are the lost souls, I run them in my Kar-fi and would do so in other ships if it were possible (they are locked to Fek'ihri ships). The Orion fighters that come with the Blackguard are good, they survive longer than the other non-frigate ones. The Tholian Widows, advanced or higher Aeon fighters, and Caitian Stalkers are tied for third place. The Klingon To'duj, all the Fed fighters I have used, and Romulan Scorpions are a distant fourth. The Widows die fast but they cause quite a ruckus with their FAW spamming before they go down.

    The only frigate pets I have used were the Enchentis, they are ok but I have nothing to compare them to besides fighters, and compared to them they are better at defense (except maybe for the Widows) but not so great on attack.

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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,057 Community Moderator
    Of the T6 full carriers, I've flown the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier, Sarco (dreadnought carrier but still has 2 hangers), The Fek'lhri Fer'rang, and the Vorgon Carrier. For me I'm kinda torn between saying the Vanguard Carrier and the Sarco. If I was KDF side it would be Sarco hands down. Fed side... its up in the air.
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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    I am definitely surprised to see the Ryn'kodan mentioned, I always considered it to be in the lower tier due to it being a 'full carrier' that has to sacrifice 2 hardpoints.. for nothing. Glad some people enjoy it, I won't touch it.

    The Discoprise and D7 are obvious choices, but the one no one ever picks is absolutely one of the best ships in the game bar none.. and that's the Tzenkethi Tzen-Tar. 8 Hard Points, Full Miracle Worker Spec with extra console and 2 hangar bays. Console and Trait are nothing great, but the rest of the ship is Fantastic.

    I run one on a KDF with 2 hangars of Elite Nausicaan Stingers, and it's by far my best DPS'ing carrier. I have 2 KDF's one in the Tzen-Tar and one in the Miracle Worker D7. Both have Superior Area Denial, the D7 uses Elite Tactical Flyers and while they're not bad, they pale in comparison to the Stingers.

    Stingers, Romulan Drones, and Rare Gre'thor Pets are the best hangar pets I have used in STO with Stingers being my favorite.

    I am surprised the Tzen-Tar isn't more popular, it's one of the top ships in the game and since it's currently in the Lobi Store it can be had for a pretty low price. That ship is incredible. For an Energy Weapon build it's rivaled only by the Miracle Worker Flight Deck ships.
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    szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    so ok i see i was vague, i was really just seeing what people thought was best in their eyes. see i rarely play now just i dont know kinda bored now because im lost what to do really, i miss it but what id like, now i know we have 4 BZ's the best for me is badlands, tho wish cud get rid of the blaring orange colours, but they really need to release a much harder version, its like a normal version of a stf, get it on elite difficulty and id never leave lol. but anyways i digress, play style for me always tact based, not really got into sci magic never fount it much interesting tbh, but saying that having a strong gravwell to help group the enemies up for my pets now were laughing, but meh... so for me id say more heavy tact based raw fire power lol. what i really have been trying to aim for is, i had this idea, where im like a mobile starbase and my wee minions do my bidding lol. Okay i know that would not ever happen but ideas nice lol.
    I'll probably throw back to the JHVC again. If you run it with a Sci Captain and Command Spec, you've basically got an entire Flotilla of ships wherever you go. 2 hangars, 2 wingmen, 1 console summon, 3-4 photonic ships(which are great for spamming torp spreads into your grav wells), 1-2 reinforcement ships(long duration and pretty beefy). This is before you start adding in other various lockbox traits and consoles that can spam out even more battle pets.

    I am surprised the Tzen-Tar isn't more popular, it's one of the top ships in the game and since it's currently in the Lobi Store it can be had for a pretty low price. That ship is incredible. For an Energy Weapon build it's rivaled only by the Miracle Worker Flight Deck ships.
    I imagine it's something like the Vonph or Archeros was back when. Everyone and their uncle can potentially get it, so people don't feel like special snowflakes by using it. I agree it's a pretty fantastic ship though(especially for DEW and exotic torpedo builds). The only downside is that it doesn't mesh very nicely with Aux2Bat; also, if you're running a (half)Photonic Officer setup, you're basically giving up its science leaning. (I also don't like the DBB placement on the ship; looks kind of silly on a BO build where all your death comes from the outer-most edges. The forced bold yellow decal stripes are kind of meh for the fashion-trek too.)
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