hey guys, so new one for you's for those carriers lovers out there, whats your @IGN can get adding wouldnt mind doing some stuff with other fellow carrier lovers
Superior Area Denial is great with beam pets too. It's just a good all-around pet trait especially with tactical flyers that field six beam arrays. Giving them all FAW1 improves their output substantially when fighting groups of enemies.
Keep in mind that SAD triggers not only off FAW but also CSV. You don't need cannons to use CSV to trigger SAD.
true, but the thing is, being how i use my abilities, i just cycle thru trays 9 & 10 using a button, it would activate both at the same time, hence the global cd thing, with 2 beamover loads every 15 seconds its activated just dont get why BFAW is 20sec global cd and BO is 15secs global cd
Lost souls and jem gunboats are nicely proactive about hunting their targets, something they share with the rommie drones. A lot of the others might be that way if they didn't have abilities that they start using as soon as red alert is triggered regardless of the range they are from the target.
The new support frigates are woefully sluggish at following a player anyway but if you make the mistake of targetting an enemy 20km away from you (and therefore 30km+ from them) they'll decide that's close enough to trigger alert status and due to the range and not being able to shoot they'll just sit able spamming whatever it is they spam and not making any meaningful progress towards the target. Ideally this could be countered by using recall and deploy but as hangar commands are a coin toss whether they work or not you might find yourself with pets sat in their bay refusing to move and unable to summon more until you can drop from combat in order to dump and re-slot the offending pet.
There is no best pet and carrier though there are top tier and trash tier. Drone Ships and Lost Souls are top tier. Squadrons are top tier but behind drones and souls. 2nd best carrier for me is the Xindi Carrier and all 3 types of Xindi pets. Best carrier for me is the Vorgon Ryn'kodan but best carrier is a personally thing based on play style. The Voth Carrier and both Jem carriers are top tier as well. The new rom carrier is top tier purely from how amazing Drone ships are. Take away drone ships and use other pets and its a middle tier carrier.
From what I remember from testing Tactical Flyer Squadrons are middle tier. Pretty good but not as good as the top pets.
Lots of data there for best pet. Best DPS pet changes based on traits used, bridge officer powers used and map being played.
see how you have said those are top tier, can we talk about universal top tier pets? like a really good vivable frigate i can use on ANY carrier, like my miracle worker D7 carrier? thanks
I hate to disagree with the others, but the best C-Store Carriers are BOTH of the Jem'hadar characters, providing you stick to a Polaron build. The 2 Wingmen pack a big punch, and you can use the Squadran hangars or Frigates on top of that. Obviously the actual best Carrier is the Donnie.
question why would you need to stick with Polaron weapons? thanks
I hate to disagree with the others, but the best C-Store Carriers are BOTH of the Jem'hadar characters, providing you stick to a Polaron build. The 2 Wingmen pack a big punch, and you can use the Squadran hangars or Frigates on top of that. Obviously the actual best Carrier is the Donnie.
question why would you need to stick with Polaron weapons? thanks
I would like to know that as well. There is nothing on either ship that is specific to Polaron builds. The only reason to keep them polaron is if you want them to be authentic to Jem'Hadar or if you want your pets and your carrier to share the same energy type since Wingmen always use Polaon.
There was an impression that polaron tactical consoles buff the wingmen. Doesn't mean you have to use polaron but that doing so increases their damage.
Would that mean that using polaron is an optimal choice ?
There was an impression that polaron tactical consoles buff the wingmen.
Yes and No.
It buffs their strafing maneuver, but that's all I know of. Hardly worth pinning yourself to a specific energy type. They also benefit from +Damage stuff like the DPRM as well, so it's not just limited to Polaron. I don't think it buffs their regular attacks, I'll have to look it up.
I do use Polaron on my Jem Carrier because it looks cool.. but I certainly wouldn't say you're required to.
There is no best pet and carrier though there are top tier and trash tier. Drone Ships and Lost Souls are top tier. Squadrons are top tier but behind drones and souls. 2nd best carrier for me is the Xindi Carrier and all 3 types of Xindi pets. Best carrier for me is the Vorgon Ryn'kodan but best carrier is a personally thing based on play style. The Voth Carrier and both Jem carriers are top tier as well. The new rom carrier is top tier purely from how amazing Drone ships are. Take away drone ships and use other pets and its a middle tier carrier.
From what I remember from testing Tactical Flyer Squadrons are middle tier. Pretty good but not as good as the top pets.
Lots of data there for best pet. Best DPS pet changes based on traits used, bridge officer powers used and map being played.
see how you have said those are top tier, can we talk about universal top tier pets? like a really good vivable frigate i can use on ANY carrier, like my miracle worker D7 carrier? thanks
As far as I recall there are no top tier universal Frigates. The only universal Frigates I can think off are bottom tier and in the case of the Elite Yukawa Frigates the worst pet in game from a DPS point of view.
The top universal pets among fed would be the new Elite squadrons followed by Elite Mirror Universe Shuttle, Elite Class F Shuttlecraft, Advanced Peregrine Fighters and I think its universal but needs checking the Elite Aeon Timeships. Not a fan myself as they die fast but Elite Obelisk Swarmers and Elite Class C Shuttle can put out good DPS when you use FaW with Gravity Well.
Please note the above list is not a strict order of best to worst. That changes based on traits used, piloting, powers used and map being played. Its more with have a list of good pets and bed pats over a strict list of best to worst.
As far as I recall there are no top tier universal Frigates. The only universal Frigates I can think off are bottom tier and in the case of the Elite Yukawa Frigates the worst pet in game from a DPS point of view.
whats actually wrong with them?
Is it that with some pets, even tho they have quite a few different abilities (boff abilities) and this whereas the problems lie, the pets activate these too often and in the wrong places away from enemies, as AI in game is kinda useless. shame really, what they should of done is keep the pets simple, like just FAW/BO/CSV/CRF/TS/HY and what they should do for increase in variety, is just like we do with weapons/consoles, where they just simply become stronger, more health, and more weapons. that way would make pets more viable.
whats actually wrong with them? the elite yukawa frigates
Is it that with some pets, even tho they have quite a few different abilities (boff abilities) and this whereas the problems lie, the pets activate these too often and in the wrong places away from enemies, as AI in game is kinda useless. shame really, what they should of done is keep the pets simple, like just FAW/BO/CSV/CRF/TS/HY and what they should do for increase in variety, is just like we do with weapons/consoles, where they just simply become stronger, more health, and more weapons. that way would make pets more viable.
well looking thru my choice of pets and all i can see that i can use on my D7 carrier is the Elite Yukawa frigates orrr the support frigates as can be used on any carrier, now what i like about the support frigates being KDF/Rommie, i can use either the Rommie, the kdf or the Jem'hadar support frigates, meaning i can have mix n match .
well looking thru my choice of pets and all i can see that i can use on my D7 carrier is the Elite Yukawa frigates orrr the support frigates as can be used on any carrier, now what i like about the support frigates being KDF/Rommie, i can use either the Rommie, the kdf or the Jem'hadar support frigates, meaning i can have mix n match .
Yukawa's have the worst AI imaginable. They fly around aimlessly and half the time they don't even attack anything, they just fly around lost. They're completely and totally worthless and you're wasting resources if you use them.
If you're using a D7 with a KDF use either the Tactical Flyers or go with Elite Nausicaan Stingers, they're amazing. If you don't own the Guramba you can buy the fleet version using free FSM's from Reputation and that will unlock them for free.
There is no good Frigate to use with that ship. If you use a Romulan ship, you can use Romulan Drones.. other then that just avoid Frigates completely.
Pretty surprised by the results Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are coming out as top DPS causing me to swap to a Fleet Caitlin Carrier. Not that far behind are Elite Scorpion Squadrons, with Jem’Hadar fighter Squadrons in 3rd place although not that far behind Scorpions. Main testing done in Stranded in Space against 2 ships only. Followed by a HSA and ISA run. Same order of performance over all 3 maps and all testing done multiple times. With the below build the Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are massively beating previous top hanger pets like Droneships.
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Personal Traits: Holographic Mirage Decoys + Wing Commander Starship Trait: Scrabbled Fighters + Dominion Coordination + Relaunch and Repair + Voth Carrier Synergies + Superior Area Denial Consoles: Console – Universal – Swarmer Matrix + Enhanced Carrier Synergy (3-piece set bonus from the Ancient Obelisk Technology Set) Bridge Officer Powers: (Rank doesn’t matter) Tactical team + FaW + Rapid Fire + Engineering Team + Photonic Officer + EptW + Gravity Well Pets: x2 Elite Squadrons. With the above setup these can push out over 100k DPS from the hanger pets alone.
Not had chance to test this. In theory the Lukari 3part set excluding the warp core as you use the Ancient Obelisk Ancient Obelisk Warp Core would provide a nice combination. The Ancient Set gives your pets EptX while the Lukari set gives your pets in 5km shield healing and Scramble Fighters hull heals.
Pretty surprised by the results Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are coming out as top DPS causing me to swap to a Fleet Caitlin Carrier. Not that far behind are Elite Scorpion Squadrons, with Jem’Hadar fighter Squadrons in 3rd place although not that far behind Scorpions. Main testing done in Stranded in Space against 2 ships only. Followed by a HSA and ISA run. Same order of performance over all 3 maps and all testing done multiple times. With the below build the Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are massively beating previous top hanger pets like Droneships.
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Personal Traits: Holographic Mirage Decoys + Wing Commander Starship Trait: Scrabbled Fighters + Dominion Coordination + Relaunch and Repair + Voth Carrier Synergies + Superior Area Denial Consoles: Console – Universal – Swarmer Matrix + Enhanced Carrier Synergy (3-piece set bonus from the Ancient Obelisk Technology Set) Bridge Officer Powers: (Rank doesn’t matter) Tactical team + FaW + Rapid Fire + Engineering Team + Photonic Officer + EptW + Gravity Well Pets: x2 Elite Squadrons. With the above setup these can push out over 100k DPS from the hanger pets alone.
sounds pretty damn good, but alas im on a Rommie/Klink need to see what pets on i can really use on my D7
also just seen, the ancient obelisk set thought only useable on the obelisk carrier?
Not had chance to test this. In theory the Lukari 3part set excluding the warp core as you use the Ancient Obelisk Ancient Obelisk Warp Core would provide a nice combination. The Ancient Set gives your pets EptX while the Lukari set gives your pets in 5km shield healing and Scramble Fighters hull heals.
Pretty surprised by the results Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are coming out as top DPS causing me to swap to a Fleet Caitlin Carrier. Not that far behind are Elite Scorpion Squadrons, with Jem’Hadar fighter Squadrons in 3rd place although not that far behind Scorpions. Main testing done in Stranded in Space against 2 ships only. Followed by a HSA and ISA run. Same order of performance over all 3 maps and all testing done multiple times. With the below build the Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are massively beating previous top hanger pets like Droneships.
Build is
Personal Traits: Holographic Mirage Decoys + Wing Commander Starship Trait: Scrabbled Fighters + Dominion Coordination + Relaunch and Repair + Voth Carrier Synergies + Superior Area Denial Consoles: Console – Universal – Swarmer Matrix + Enhanced Carrier Synergy (3-piece set bonus from the Ancient Obelisk Technology Set) Bridge Officer Powers: (Rank doesn’t matter) Tactical team + FaW + Rapid Fire + Engineering Team + Photonic Officer + EptW + Gravity Well Pets: x2 Elite Squadrons. With the above setup these can push out over 100k DPS from the hanger pets alone.
also why you using dominion cooridination when it dont work with SAD?
Pretty surprised by the results Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are coming out as top DPS causing me to swap to a Fleet Caitlin Carrier. Not that far behind are Elite Scorpion Squadrons, with Jem’Hadar fighter Squadrons in 3rd place although not that far behind Scorpions. Main testing done in Stranded in Space against 2 ships only. Followed by a HSA and ISA run. Same order of performance over all 3 maps and all testing done multiple times. With the below build the Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are massively beating previous top hanger pets like Droneships.
Build is
Personal Traits: Holographic Mirage Decoys + Wing Commander Starship Trait: Scrabbled Fighters + Dominion Coordination + Relaunch and Repair + Voth Carrier Synergies + Superior Area Denial Consoles: Console – Universal – Swarmer Matrix + Enhanced Carrier Synergy (3-piece set bonus from the Ancient Obelisk Technology Set) Bridge Officer Powers: (Rank doesn’t matter) Tactical team + FaW + Rapid Fire + Engineering Team + Photonic Officer + EptW + Gravity Well Pets: x2 Elite Squadrons. With the above setup these can push out over 100k DPS from the hanger pets alone.
also why you using dominion cooridination when it dont work with SAD?
Dominion Coordination does work with SAD. When you use Overload, Rapid Fire or Surgical Strikes your pets get 33% damage boost. So I fit Rapid Fire as there is no cooldown problem alongside FaW. No cannons fitted.
1 item of the Ancient Obelisk set used to be locked to the Obelisk Carrier. Don’t remember the date but relatively recently it was changed in the patch notes and now works as a universal. At least from the Fed point of view its universal. Not sure if KDF have access?
now all we need cryptic to do is change them, cause those new carrier 6 weapons slots, 11 console slots, 2 hangar bays.....it seems pretty meh tho such a let down as we lose out on the flight deck carriers that can have 8 weapon slots
It's sad but they don't care...there are some simple changes they could have made to carriers without just throwing more weapons onto it...but all they care about was putting out a product as quick as possible
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Dominion Coordination does work with SAD. When you use Overload, Rapid Fire or Surgical Strikes your pets get 33% damage boost. So I fit Rapid Fire as there is no cooldown problem alongside FaW. No cannons fitted.
1 item of the Ancient Obelisk set used to be locked to the Obelisk Carrier. Don’t remember the date but relatively recently it was changed in the patch notes and now works as a universal. At least from the Fed point of view its universal. Not sure if KDF have access?
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well im going to have to buy the ship 800 lobi and try it out lol
so see with regarding the SAD/CA i been using CA as i can proc it every15secs, running 2 X BO1
Pretty surprised by the results Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are coming out as top DPS causing me to swap to a Fleet Caitlin Carrier. Not that far behind are Elite Scorpion Squadrons, with Jem’Hadar fighter Squadrons in 3rd place although not that far behind Scorpions. Main testing done in Stranded in Space against 2 ships only. Followed by a HSA and ISA run. Same order of performance over all 3 maps and all testing done multiple times. With the below build the Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are massively beating previous top hanger pets like Droneships.
Build is
Personal Traits: Holographic Mirage Decoys + Wing Commander Starship Trait: Scrabbled Fighters + Dominion Coordination + Relaunch and Repair + Voth Carrier Synergies + Superior Area Denial Consoles: Console – Universal – Swarmer Matrix + Enhanced Carrier Synergy (3-piece set bonus from the Ancient Obelisk Technology Set) Bridge Officer Powers: (Rank doesn’t matter) Tactical team + FaW + Rapid Fire + Engineering Team + Photonic Officer + EptW + Gravity Well Pets: x2 Elite Squadrons. With the above setup these can push out over 100k DPS from the hanger pets alone.
see the Enchanced carrier synergy, how useful is it to use? thanks
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The new support frigates are woefully sluggish at following a player anyway but if you make the mistake of targetting an enemy 20km away from you (and therefore 30km+ from them) they'll decide that's close enough to trigger alert status and due to the range and not being able to shoot they'll just sit able spamming whatever it is they spam and not making any meaningful progress towards the target. Ideally this could be countered by using recall and deploy but as hangar commands are a coin toss whether they work or not you might find yourself with pets sat in their bay refusing to move and unable to summon more until you can drop from combat in order to dump and re-slot the offending pet.
see how you have said those are top tier, can we talk about universal top tier pets? like a really good vivable frigate i can use on ANY carrier, like my miracle worker D7 carrier? thanks
question why would you need to stick with Polaron weapons? thanks
I would like to know that as well. There is nothing on either ship that is specific to Polaron builds. The only reason to keep them polaron is if you want them to be authentic to Jem'Hadar or if you want your pets and your carrier to share the same energy type since Wingmen always use Polaon.
Any energy type is fine on those ships.
Would that mean that using polaron is an optimal choice ?
Yes and No.
It buffs their strafing maneuver, but that's all I know of. Hardly worth pinning yourself to a specific energy type. They also benefit from +Damage stuff like the DPRM as well, so it's not just limited to Polaron. I don't think it buffs their regular attacks, I'll have to look it up.
I do use Polaron on my Jem Carrier because it looks cool.. but I certainly wouldn't say you're required to.
The top universal pets among fed would be the new Elite squadrons followed by Elite Mirror Universe Shuttle, Elite Class F Shuttlecraft, Advanced Peregrine Fighters and I think its universal but needs checking the Elite Aeon Timeships. Not a fan myself as they die fast but Elite Obelisk Swarmers and Elite Class C Shuttle can put out good DPS when you use FaW with Gravity Well.
Please note the above list is not a strict order of best to worst. That changes based on traits used, piloting, powers used and map being played. Its more with have a list of good pets and bed pats over a strict list of best to worst.
Is it that with some pets, even tho they have quite a few different abilities (boff abilities) and this whereas the problems lie, the pets activate these too often and in the wrong places away from enemies, as AI in game is kinda useless. shame really, what they should of done is keep the pets simple, like just FAW/BO/CSV/CRF/TS/HY and what they should do for increase in variety, is just like we do with weapons/consoles, where they just simply become stronger, more health, and more weapons. that way would make pets more viable.
Yukawa's have the worst AI imaginable. They fly around aimlessly and half the time they don't even attack anything, they just fly around lost. They're completely and totally worthless and you're wasting resources if you use them.
If you're using a D7 with a KDF use either the Tactical Flyers or go with Elite Nausicaan Stingers, they're amazing. If you don't own the Guramba you can buy the fleet version using free FSM's from Reputation and that will unlock them for free.
There is no good Frigate to use with that ship. If you use a Romulan ship, you can use Romulan Drones.. other then that just avoid Frigates completely.
Pretty surprised by the results Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are coming out as top DPS causing me to swap to a Fleet Caitlin Carrier. Not that far behind are Elite Scorpion Squadrons, with Jem’Hadar fighter Squadrons in 3rd place although not that far behind Scorpions. Main testing done in Stranded in Space against 2 ships only. Followed by a HSA and ISA run. Same order of performance over all 3 maps and all testing done multiple times. With the below build the Elite Stalker Fighter Squadrons are massively beating previous top hanger pets like Droneships.
Build is
Personal Traits: Holographic Mirage Decoys + Wing Commander
Starship Trait: Scrabbled Fighters + Dominion Coordination + Relaunch and Repair + Voth Carrier Synergies + Superior Area Denial
Consoles: Console – Universal – Swarmer Matrix + Enhanced Carrier Synergy (3-piece set bonus from the Ancient Obelisk Technology Set)
Bridge Officer Powers: (Rank doesn’t matter) Tactical team + FaW + Rapid Fire + Engineering Team + Photonic Officer + EptW + Gravity Well
Pets: x2 Elite Squadrons. With the above setup these can push out over 100k DPS from the hanger pets alone.
sounds pretty damn good, but alas im on a Rommie/Klink
also just seen, the ancient obelisk set thought only useable on the obelisk carrier?
interesting need to look into this
also why you using dominion cooridination when it dont work with SAD?
1 item of the Ancient Obelisk set used to be locked to the Obelisk Carrier. Don’t remember the date but relatively recently it was changed in the patch notes and now works as a universal. At least from the Fed point of view its universal. Not sure if KDF have access?
It's sad but they don't care...there are some simple changes they could have made to carriers without just throwing more weapons onto it...but all they care about was putting out a product as quick as possible
Dominion Coordination does work with SAD. When you use Overload, Rapid Fire or Surgical Strikes your pets get 33% damage boost. So I fit Rapid Fire as there is no cooldown problem alongside FaW. No cannons fitted.
1 item of the Ancient Obelisk set used to be locked to the Obelisk Carrier. Don’t remember the date but relatively recently it was changed in the patch notes and now works as a universal. At least from the Fed point of view its universal. Not sure if KDF have access?
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well im going to have to buy the ship 800 lobi and try it out lol
so see with regarding the SAD/CA i been using CA as i can proc it every15secs, running 2 X BO1
see the Enchanced carrier synergy, how useful is it to use? thanks
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