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My two cents on the updated Borg TFOs
somtaawkhar
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Pros
-Addition of VA makes the content feel more current
-Addition of objective markers means people have no excuse to miss the probes in Khitomer Vortex, and makes it clearer what you should be targeting in Infected space
-The breakdown of mission rewards at the end makes it clearer what you got marks for doing
-What appears to be minor visual updating in some of the maps has cleaned up some of the worst of the dated graphics the TFOs had
-The briefing cooldowns in "Into the Hive" ensure the team stays together, and you don't have people rushing off ahead like idiot
-The addition of a more obvious and clearer virus bar in the second stage of "Into the Hive" again makes it clearer how much longer you have to wait.
-Making it an objective to defeat all of the Queen's guards means people can't by bypass that encounter by running past it like before.
Cons
-ISA is still stupidly primitive to the point a caveman could do it
-Addition of VA makes the content feel more current
-Addition of objective markers means people have no excuse to miss the probes in Khitomer Vortex, and makes it clearer what you should be targeting in Infected space
-The breakdown of mission rewards at the end makes it clearer what you got marks for doing
-What appears to be minor visual updating in some of the maps has cleaned up some of the worst of the dated graphics the TFOs had
-The briefing cooldowns in "Into the Hive" ensure the team stays together, and you don't have people rushing off ahead like idiot
-The addition of a more obvious and clearer virus bar in the second stage of "Into the Hive" again makes it clearer how much longer you have to wait.
-Making it an objective to defeat all of the Queen's guards means people can't by bypass that encounter by running past it like before.
Cons
-ISA is still stupidly primitive to the point a caveman could do it
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Also ran Kitomer. My usual job of Defense on one side is now much easier now that I don't have to worry about the gate attacking me while on Defense, so I can get within 10k of it now. I also noticed that while fighting Donatra, when she cloaks ships spawn from the Temporal gate.
The status bar was always there in Into the Hive, it's just more visible now.
To be fair, most of the markers are a bit silly. Yes, they serve a purpose but I doubt it's going to make a difference. If, previously, people were ignoring the text saying that the probes needed to be destroyed (besides the probes themselves, which were hardly invisible), they'll likely still do it if there's a marker above it.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
Letting players just move on without the continuous breaks in-between was much better. You already had to wait for everyone to arrive in the first two rooms - perhaps with good reason - but adding a third waiting time just before the Queen is only annoying.
All these breaks take the action out of the mission and reduces immersion. On the other hand, regarding that, adding more drone reinforcements is a good thing and makes things more dynamic.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
We play a mmoprg! It has a clear and open character progression curve which lasts for two years. More so we play a space combat game. Of course dealing damage, staying alive and min-maxing the resulting DPS is the very core element of it. Of course our relative position on the progression curve reflects that heavily. It is the way it is supposed to be.
Personally I find it very rude how the OP blames the game for his wrong expectations and what’s worse his team-mates indirectly for his gaming experience. In advanced they make stuff too easy for him because they have too much DPS and on elite it’s the other way around? Not enough DPS there to beat the checks?!
Yea sorry, that’s not how it works! If the relative position on the progression curve of this game has stuck the OP between two settings somehow it’s up to him to either get better or worse or to socialize himself into the right group of people helping him with that.
As a mmorpg player I did.
My first ISE in over half a decade was not supposed to be about numbers or a record. I wanted to feel the map, get an idea how it is supposed to be played in a qualified but not over qualified group. That’s why I declined an invitation by the DPS league admins yesterday (Sorry Soludor & Spawny) and took my first ISE in years with my fleet, my gang! We all have different standings, different skills. What a great game I got as result. @spiritborn and @jennycolvin where both in as @pottsey sadly had CD. Lol I got a bloody nose 3 times underestimating the maps opposition but everybody in my team and I fought bravely and, considering the fail conditions, we barley managed to beat the map. A bud and I even used phone to coordinate the nanites on the right side which was needed after some mess up on left (stuff we only do for record runs usualy). And you know what’s even better? For the first time the 260 defensive perk points I have to take the next year don’t feel like a waste. Awesome! I’m going to get them!
Thank you DEVSs, thank you friends. I like the new ISE revamp. Elite teams will find it too easy of course but it’s nothing unexpected considering the direction of this title. As an elite player I can adapt to that easily and uphold the fun.
Glad to see my fears about the Borg revamp were not nessesary.
As for those uhappy, we have lots of other maps with non mmorpg DPS centric arcade stuff, timegates, auto wins and what else in it. Go play them! They could really use some life for sure.
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Eh eh, Pete... I must confess I giggled a little when I saw you exploding the first time, don't be mad!, all the while thinking "I'm next".
Seriously though, I had a lot of fun because finally something IS difficult! I brought in a character that was not my main one and it still was a nice run!
As Pete said, be barely managed to beat the fail conditions, but we managed and I have something to look forward to to better myself and to experience fully with my friends and my fleetmates.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
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The good:
ISE: Finally! It is much better balanced against the achievable progression curve of elite players. For high end teams it’s still too easy but for mixed teams its great fun. The core mechanics of the map stayed intact and since the rest can be adjusted via social networking a clear win-win for this game.
The bad:
ISA, KSN: They seem to have reduced the hit points and resistances of the critters resulting in an easier fight than ever before. Having a player like me in those maps could cause further problems as in AFK penalties or disabled map goals as I simply out DPS everything solo.
The ugly:
HGE: Small disappointment here! Stupid timer and what’s worse they dummied it down by removing most of the elite drones. Lol yea, apparently elite drones are too elite for elite. I don’t care by how much they cripple advanced and why but making elite easier than it already was uncalled for. It only caters to bad players with too much arrogance.
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As somebody who enjoyed the original a thousand times on holodeck I already missed 2x4 Elite drones in the alcoves of the first room. All that’s left are Advanced and Tac drones now. Perhaps Cryptic made a mix up with the settings. My team had elite mode confirmed by 3 players hence my verdict here.
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Cryptic did fine this time mate. We will be in for some fun in the new elite space maps. I promise.
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Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Yeah the Borg rewamp was loads of fun, ironically even though I was probably worst player in the group (granted that not saying much) I didn't explode though I did end up at 1% or 2% health a couple of times.
Due to real life reasons I don't tend to have that much time to play during the week so it feels nice that time I do have doesn't feel like it was wasted.
It's ironic that the moment I went in there with my fleetmates - all people that are well in the gold DPS league and with which I could run every advanced and elite with ease - we couldn't even get past the first wave and ended up failing the queue miserably... all the while screeching like banshees and having the time of our lives.
And for your information, @sophlogimo we did struggle with Pete and the others and we barely made it - as Pete himself said, but, as usual, is more convenient to ignore part of someone's post when it doesn't go well with our own narrative, ehi?
And since when has Infected EVER been anything more than "pew pew pew" with a little side of "I'll block the probes, you take care of the transformer" immediately followed by "pew pew pew on the probes" and then rinse and repeat?
You want coordination? Cool, I want it too and I was one of the people that argued strenuously against the removal of Infected: Manus from the random queue because it does require coordination.
You want team work? See above.
ISE is harder than what I expected it to bee and for that, I'm grateful.
If you don't think so, then go in there and trash everything. If you can't, because it's just a "high DPS check", then I suggest you play something else.
Also, and this come from someone that has raided for years in actual, irrevocably, difficult content: DPS checks have always been part of stuff like this. Granted, there must still be mechanics - which are still present in ISE, however idiotic you might think them to be - but considering how this game has been going for the past year and more, I'm extremely grateful they didn't just make it another time-gated, infinite-waves auto-complete queue.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Define "DPS nonsense". First off, Elite is supposed to be the most difficult setting in the game. It's not supposed to be super easy, hence the fail conditions. Unless you're one of those folks who always runs in a pre-made team where everything is rehearsed down to the last 1s and 0s of the queue, people already struggled on elite for the most part, barring a few exceptions. Removing the fail conditions from elite removes any and all incentive people may have to grow and do better. For that matter why would grow and do better to beat the auto-fail conditions when they can just wait it out and have it handed to them? Simply because you're not a fan of it doesn't mean it's "failed as a game." It simply means it's not your cup of tea, which is fine as you're entitled to that opinion, but it's little more than that, an opinion. DPS itself is not the problem nor has it ever been.
I'm sure this next bit will get me called an elitist but I'm going to be perfectly blunt. Elite again is meant to be the toughest difficulty in the game, and it's meant for you to bring the thunder with your A game. If a person is constantly failing on elite, this means they need to either adjust their tactics/gear and try again, or run with a team of similar individuals. If they do those things and still fail, then barring a game breaking issue, the problem isn't the queue, but the player not being ready for elite content just yet. Simply because that player isn't yet ready for elite content does not mean there is a problem with the queue. Yeah I know that's not a popular statement and not what folks are going to want to hear, but if you don't bring your A game for these new queues, it's going to end badly for people.
If folks had sorted their gear they weren't a threat though. The problem with ships at the start of Delta Rising was they were purely damage sponges and nothing more. Even with moderate gear and a basic cohesive build, you were never in any danger of dying. The issue wasn't that extra HP was added, but that too much of it was added and it made all end game fights tedious as a result. Even fleet alert missions went on ridiculously longer than they needed to for the first little while. I get that they didn't want things dying purely in 2 seconds, especially on elite, but there was no reason it needed to take sometimes up to 30 minutes to kill one ship in Delta Rising, purely because it was health sponge, and not because of boss fight mechanics or such. It was grind for the sake of grind that added nothing of value to the game. That's why it was changed.
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Total duration: 486s
Team total DPS: 700k (230/160/150/80/80)
Personal Deaths: 2 (everyone had at least 2)
This was a team that were no slouches, and yet it took 6 minutes with multiple deaths and some near misses. We were bringing our relative A-game, and it felt balanced around that. The only thing I saw was that the generators were still taken out a little early/individually, and it felt like they could stand to have a bit more health so that if they weren't coordinated, it would allow enough time for spheres to get over.
All in all, it still feels like a pumped up ISA, but pumped up fairly near the right amount to feel in line with other elites in the game. Nothing in STO is probably ever going to be akin to raids, but this is a good step.
Meh, I didn't even notice they put one in. Never read them in any of the missions that have them.
Con. Utter waste of time.
Long enough to get coffee.
Con. Yet another tactical choice nerfed to oblivion. Though shalt jump through the hoops as ordained!
Which is still better than all the autowin TFOs that even a baked potato could do.