Yea... in a novel I have, Voyager came across a Nebula they called a Mutara type. If I had to guess, the Mutara class nebula is probably named after the Mutara Nebula, and have the same characteristics as said Nebula, which include the effects on ship systems such as shields and power.
Starbase 11 is now only two Light Years from the Talos Star Group.
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it always was - starbase 11 was the closest starbase to talos even back in TOS...even though, being a planetside installation, it shouldn't be called a STARbase
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That's the issue with a few facilities in Star Trek. We know Starbases as the large space stations like ESD. But in TOS there were several ground based facilities called Starbases. Not only that, I believe Farpoint Station in TNG was trying to become a Starbase.
According to Memory Alpha, the full name seems to be Starship Base.
A starbase or starship base was a permanent support facility operated by Starfleet, consisting of space stations, drydocks, and/or ground installations. Starbases were hubs of activity and could serve multiple military and civilian functions.
Honestly if it was to be shorthand for something, it should have been Starfleet Base. That way its clearly indicating it belongs to Starfleet. Then again... I believe other species use the term Starbase for their major facilities as well...
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Ah... but where IS the Gariman Sector? Maybe Boreth is in the next sector over, and with it being a major "landmark" it was mentioned. Hell... Enterprise could have been near the border of the sector as well, which means it could very well be nearby.
Would be no different than saying Port Angeles, Washington is close to Victoria B.C. despite the fact they're in two different countries.
Earth Space Dock has ancillary facilities to work on ships. Starbase 11 is on the ground but we have absolutely no idea whether it had orbiting dock facilities or not.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
To the contrary, even if they had contradicted any existing canon, which they haven't, they would still have fewer such contradictions than the number of times TOS contradicted itself.
Oh but TOS NEVER contradicted itself! It is Word of God, Sacred, and absolutely Perfect.
Was re-watching the latest episode of Discovery and noticed this little map seen in one of the last few seconds of the episode
Discovery has moved Boreth from the location it was in the Star Charts, to a new, now canon, location. When can we expect to see the system moved in-game to reflect that I wonder.
Here is the Star Charts map the game is based off of, and the in-game map itself, for comparison, with Boreth's old and new locations boxed
Um...never.
STO isn't canon; and Borath isn't the only location that'd different between what's shown in STO as opposed to what's shown on the screen in an episode/film.
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When they can get 'Alliance Van Lines' scheduled to come pick it up?
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I don't see why Discovery keeps messing up canon...
Discovery is not messing up canon. Most of the Trek shows have canonical difficulties including TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9, etc. This is not a unique thing. This is a common theme in many of the Star Trek TV series.
STO isn't canon; and Borath isn't the only location that'd different between what's shown in STO as opposed to what's shown on the screen in an episode/film.
STO being canon or not is irrelevant, especially given that they have put so much effort into trying to stay true to canon, and the Star Trek Star Charts.
They already moved one doff cluster in sector space to make way for a Discovery location becuase that is where the location was shown on in-show maps to be. Makes sense they would move Boreth.
And what of the Boreth Sector? Wipe it away, rename it, or drag that block to swap locations with the B'Moth Sector?
I don't see why Discovery keeps messing up canon...
Discovery is not messing up canon. Most of the Trek shows have canonical difficulties including TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9, etc. This is not a unique thing. This is a common theme in many of the Star Trek TV series.
None of the shows or films (including DSC) have any problem with canon. Thy have issues with continuity, not canon.
Vulcan having no moon and having a moon are equally canonical but a breach in continuity.
The only times ST has issues with canon was when Roddenberry decided he was going to strike TAS, TWoK, all the other TOS films, and DS9 (based on its premise alone), however it was CBS' decision not his so thankfully that never happened.
Canon is not a continuous, unbroken, narrative, it is a list of the works that 'count' towards a franchise. None of those works have to be concordant with each other.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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The only times ST has issues with canon was when Roddenberry decided he was going to strike TAS, TWoK, all the other TOS films, and DS9 (based on its premise alone), however it was CBS' decision not his so thankfully that never happened.
STO isn't canon; and Borath isn't the only location that'd different between what's shown in STO as opposed to what's shown on the screen in an episode/film.
STO being canon or not is irrelevant, especially given that they have put so much effort into trying to stay true to canon, and the Star Trek Star Charts.
They already moved one doff cluster in sector space to make way for a Discovery location becuase that is where the location was shown on in-show maps to be. Makes sense they would move Boreth.
I'll echo @crypticarmsman and say it probably won't happen. If it doesn't generate revenue and/or CBS hasn't ordered Cryptic to do it then there's no reason for Cryptic to spend money on it.
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The only times ST has issues with canon was when Roddenberry decided he was going to strike TAS, TWoK, all the other TOS films, and DS9 (based on its premise alone), however it was CBS' decision not his so thankfully that never happened.
I thought he died before DS9 got going?
Like I say. The premise. As far as I remember he hated the idea.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Personally, I'd ignore anything DSC does that conflicts with TOS/TNG canon that STO is based off of. I don't think the producers give a flip about canon. And isn't DSC in an alternant reality anyway? TOS/TNG was 'canon', DSC is 'Prime', the 2009+movies were 'Kelvin Timeline' or something. I'm assuming CBS is using 'Prime' to mean whatever show is currently in production. Which I'm fine with. DSC can do whatever DSC wants to do in their own sandbox as long as 'canon' timeline isn't corrupted. Kinda like how the new BSG in 2004 did it's own thing.
Personally, I'd ignore anything DSC does that conflicts with TOS/TNG canon that STO is based off of. I don't think the producers give a flip about canon. And isn't DSC in an alternant reality anyway? TOS/TNG was 'canon', DSC is 'Prime', the 2009+movies were 'Kelvin Timeline' or something. I'm assuming CBS is using 'Prime' to mean whatever show is currently in production. Which I'm fine with. DSC can do whatever DSC wants to do in their own sandbox as long as 'canon' timeline isn't corrupted. Kinda like how the new BSG in 2004 did it's own thing.
Actually "prime" refers to TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and DSC (since it's the main or prime canon), to seperate it from the Kelvin timeline.
EDIT:Also how much actual canon conflicts DSC has opposed to fanon or EU conflicts.
If science was correct back in the 70's they said nebulas eventually ball up into planets too...
For values of "eventually" measured in the millions of years at a minimum, yes, assuming that a protostar forms in the nebula around which planets can accrete (not a guarantee - last I heard, for instance, the Crab Nebula hosts no stellar nurseries, and is in fact quite hostile to the formation of anything not extremely durable to the synchrotron radiation caused by the pulsar at its core). Not all nebulas will create stars, and not all stars will accrete planets.
We don't know if the Genesis Device converted all of the matter in the Mutara Nebula into a single star and its attendant planet, or just some of it. The question is never addressed in TWoK, because it's unimportant to Our Heroes.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
According to Memory Alpha, the full name seems to be Starship Base. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starbase
Honestly if it was to be shorthand for something, it should have been Starfleet Base. That way its clearly indicating it belongs to Starfleet. Then again... I believe other species use the term Starbase for their major facilities as well...
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Isn't that what this spinoff does best?
Would be no different than saying Port Angeles, Washington is close to Victoria B.C. despite the fact they're in two different countries.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Oh but TOS NEVER contradicted itself! It is Word of God, Sacred, and absolutely Perfect.
Um...never.
STO isn't canon; and Borath isn't the only location that'd different between what's shown in STO as opposed to what's shown on the screen in an episode/film.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Discovery is not messing up canon. Most of the Trek shows have canonical difficulties including TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9, etc. This is not a unique thing. This is a common theme in many of the Star Trek TV series.
And what of the Boreth Sector? Wipe it away, rename it, or drag that block to swap locations with the B'Moth Sector?
None of the shows or films (including DSC) have any problem with canon. Thy have issues with continuity, not canon.
Vulcan having no moon and having a moon are equally canonical but a breach in continuity.
The only times ST has issues with canon was when Roddenberry decided he was going to strike TAS, TWoK, all the other TOS films, and DS9 (based on its premise alone), however it was CBS' decision not his so thankfully that never happened.
Canon is not a continuous, unbroken, narrative, it is a list of the works that 'count' towards a franchise. None of those works have to be concordant with each other.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Like I say. The premise. As far as I remember he hated the idea.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Actually "prime" refers to TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and DSC (since it's the main or prime canon), to seperate it from the Kelvin timeline.
EDIT:Also how much actual canon conflicts DSC has opposed to fanon or EU conflicts.
We don't know if the Genesis Device converted all of the matter in the Mutara Nebula into a single star and its attendant planet, or just some of it. The question is never addressed in TWoK, because it's unimportant to Our Heroes.