Wow, what a disappointment. I was looking forward to a new pack and have been saving my zen, but this is a terrible value.
Single character unlocks and only 4 ships that still require upgrades to Fleet versions (and purchase of ship slots since they can't be reclaimed) isn't worth 12,000 zen.
Some cool looking stuff, but I will wait for a 50% off flash sale or just take a pass on this one.
> @mirrorchaos said: > Operations pack with just a few ships, a few boffs and pet that makes no sense to have or to follow you around. it better not cost $99 dollars or whatever it usually does as this is slim pickings at best. >
On the bottom of the OP it say's the pack is 12,000 ZEN ($120)
Operations pack with just a few ships, a few boffs and pet that makes no sense to have or to follow you around. it better not cost $99 dollars or whatever it usually does as this is slim pickings at best.
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The price is on the article at the end; it'll be 12,000 zen, which is the equivalent of $120, I believe. I don't think anyone feels this is a good value, going by what's being said all around.
Fear not the article also said the items will be sold separately too
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Operations pack with just a few ships, a few boffs and pet that makes no sense to have or to follow you around. it better not cost $99 dollars or whatever it usually does as this is slim pickings at best.
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The price is on the article at the end; it'll be 12,000 zen, which is the equivalent of $120, I believe. I don't think anyone feels this is a good value, going by what's being said all around.
well whatever the price is, it is not worth it.
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Not worth this price point as i see it. Taking a W.A.G. at it, but for that price the ships must come with some over the top traits that will get nerfed shortly afterwards. Deal implies getting more value for the buck, but i am not seeing it here even if my guess is correct.
This pack only needs one word to define it: Disappointing.
So it has only one worthy response: Pass.
Compared to previous packs, this really isn't worth getting anywhere near full price. Counting up the standard value of the four T6 ships comes up with the full 12,000 zen price of this bundle.
Even the BOffs and combat pet are "once per account", instead of the usual "account-wide" we're used to for these bundles for most items included, so that's nowhere near enough to count as part of a "savings" for buying this bundle.
And making the Light Exploration Cruiser skin exclusive to the bundle? Perhaps it would have been better to have a variant of the T6 Light Exploration Cruiser that varies from the Lobi store version to add in the bundle to help make it appear a more attractive purchase.
What's going on behind the scenes here? Why is there this push to get more things in the c-store turned more "once per account" instead of the previously-proposed dev ideal of "the account is the player" in terms of account-wide unlocks?
Unless this is on a deep, steep sale when it comes out, I think I'll either hold off or ponder getting the one ship I care about.
Props to the artists, because their work is absolutely amazing as usual, but everything else is only dragging things down.
that and all the sales etc they have done lately, combined with the severe lack of content, it does appear a bit strange.
I like those ships.. but i'll get them individually… in one podcast they promised they would start looking at playes as account, not character, so things would be claimable by account… by far… they are not keepeng their word on that.. i dont like "once per account" things… not while i'm paying almost $120
RED ALERT? Are we trying to get rid off Account wide? I hope this is either a TYPO, or would be substantially LOWER in price than other similar packs. Perhaps, marketing has gone bananas with the bind on character pack?
I like the ships, but only getting 4 at that price is not worth it. And the BOff's and combat pet are once per account? Pass, make it once per alt and maybe I could be interested in those, but even then, not for the price you want for the pack. The addition of the Titles, XP Boosts and Upgrade kits are near worthless as well.
For me, even if all those items were per character unlocks and not once per account, you'd have to throw in 50 Master Keys to even pique my interest at that price point. I can see you tossing 20-30 keys in the bundle, but that's still not worth it to me.
And really, what happened to the account is the player mentality that was supposed to be happening? This pack shows the opposite of that thought process.
So for the first time EVER, I won't be buying one of these bundles. Such a shame.
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That was to be expected. Everything in the pack is from the TV series for the most part. WIth no Romulan ships in Discovery, that means there's no Romulan ships to create since there is no design to go off prior.
That was to be expected. Everything in the pack is from the TV series for the most part. With no Romulan ships in Discovery, that means there's no Romulan ships to create since there is no design to go off prior.
After what they did to the Klingons in Discovery, I see it as a good thing, and hope it stays that way indefinitely. Just MHO though.
Hard Pass.
This pack is a bad sign for the overall value of the zen store if items are moving to per character unlocks instead of account unlocks.
Individual items might be worth it, but the pack is a joke.
The worst travesty here is locking one of Thomas's ship designs behind the pay wall of the pack.
One of the worst "deals" they have ever offered.
Kudos to the art teams. Everything looks good.
I understand the upgrades, and the keys, but the Boffs and the Pet??, c'mon! i want to be able to choose my boffs, i like to créate new chars from time to time, and i like to have options for them...
4 total ships but really just only 2 for your faction... so $60 per ship... maybe at 50% off. No duty officers also 1 time bridge officer per account? once per character should be the way it is... not like you can trade commissioned bridge officers.
btw: why is it listed like this... "Master Keys" and then later on down the list you have another listing for "10 Master Keys" Both have once per account...
Took me a little while to figure out why this costs so much:
1500 for DSC Starter Pack (which is included)
3000 per T6 Ship x4 = 12000
~500 per BOff = 1000
~750 Walker Skin (1/2 cost of Proto-Walker)
400 for a Combat Pet
200-600 per XP Boost
2250 for Keys and Upgrade Kit (assuming the same cost as Key Bundle)
About 18,000 Zen total give or take.
Not as big a value as previous packs and that's probably why it's cheaper than the other Large packs but still a value compared to buying everything individually.
That being said, the BOffs and the pet should be per Character and not per Account. Don't think I'll go in for the whole pack, but I'll probably dish out for the Gagarin-class. Had my eye on the Shepard since I first saw it.
Adding my voice to those crying out in the wilderness, here. XP bonuses, master keys, upgrades, those make sense as once-per-account. But making that the case for boffs and combat pets too? That's disappointing.
The boffs and combat pet shouldn't be once per account, should be once per character atleast.
12,000 zen for a pack that gives 4 ships (2 fed, 2 kdf), a ship skin, and some objects for one character in total. Aswell as the Discovery Starter Pack with some low level items.
Where other shippacks packs that costs 12,000 Zen gives 9 endgame ships (3fed, 3kdf, 3rom) account wide
And the previous expansion packs that cost 15,000 and got 10-11 endgame ships, and account wide gear and boffs.
Why are we getting less for the same cost with this new pack?
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Where other shippacks packs that costs 12,000 Zen gives 9 endgame ships (3fed, 3kdf, 3rom) account wide
And the previous expansion packs that cost 15,000 and got 10-11 endgame ships, and account wide gear and boffs.
Why are we getting less for the same cost with this new pack?
The current arc is not an Expansion. Victory is Life was an expansion. Age of Discovery is just the next season.
Look at it this way. The recent Cross-faction packs have had one Federation and one KDF ship for 4,000 Zen. This has the equivalent of two of them so 8,000 Zen. Now does the remaining stuff add up to 4,000 Zen in value? I think not.
I warned back when they started coming out with these two Pack ship Bundles that we were heading down a slippery slope of ship price increases. People came back and said 4,000 was right on target for a two Pack proportionately when compared with the 6,000 for a three Pack.
That wasn't the point because when you start adding 4,000 for two Packs together you are not factoring in the 'freebie' third two Pack like you had with the three three Packs, which then gave you a three pack for no added cost over two 6,000 Zen two Packs.
And doing the 'fuzzy' math of 'well four times 3,000 is 12,000, so everything else is 'free' is cr*p. This is a Bundle and Bundles are NEVER list price for individual ships.
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Single character unlocks and only 4 ships that still require upgrades to Fleet versions (and purchase of ship slots since they can't be reclaimed) isn't worth 12,000 zen.
Some cool looking stuff, but I will wait for a 50% off flash sale or just take a pass on this one.
> Operations pack with just a few ships, a few boffs and pet that makes no sense to have or to follow you around. it better not cost $99 dollars or whatever it usually does as this is slim pickings at best.
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On the bottom of the OP it say's the pack is 12,000 ZEN ($120)
The price is on the article at the end; it'll be 12,000 zen, which is the equivalent of $120, I believe. I don't think anyone feels this is a good value, going by what's being said all around.
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well whatever the price is, it is not worth it.
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This pack only needs one word to define it: Disappointing.
So it has only one worthy response: Pass.
that and all the sales etc they have done lately, combined with the severe lack of content, it does appear a bit strange.
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I like the ships, but only getting 4 at that price is not worth it. And the BOff's and combat pet are once per account? Pass, make it once per alt and maybe I could be interested in those, but even then, not for the price you want for the pack. The addition of the Titles, XP Boosts and Upgrade kits are near worthless as well.
For me, even if all those items were per character unlocks and not once per account, you'd have to throw in 50 Master Keys to even pique my interest at that price point. I can see you tossing 20-30 keys in the bundle, but that's still not worth it to me.
And really, what happened to the account is the player mentality that was supposed to be happening? This pack shows the opposite of that thought process.
So for the first time EVER, I won't be buying one of these bundles. Such a shame.
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That was to be expected. Everything in the pack is from the TV series for the most part. WIth no Romulan ships in Discovery, that means there's no Romulan ships to create since there is no design to go off prior.
This pack is a bad sign for the overall value of the zen store if items are moving to per character unlocks instead of account unlocks.
Individual items might be worth it, but the pack is a joke.
The worst travesty here is locking one of Thomas's ship designs behind the pay wall of the pack.
One of the worst "deals" they have ever offered.
Kudos to the art teams. Everything looks good.
btw: why is it listed like this... "Master Keys" and then later on down the list you have another listing for "10 Master Keys" Both have once per account...
Except for the Walker-class skin which is pack exclusive.
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I love Discovery assets being added to the game, but I'm gonna have to take a hard pass at this.
1500 for DSC Starter Pack (which is included)
3000 per T6 Ship x4 = 12000
~500 per BOff = 1000
~750 Walker Skin (1/2 cost of Proto-Walker)
400 for a Combat Pet
200-600 per XP Boost
2250 for Keys and Upgrade Kit (assuming the same cost as Key Bundle)
About 18,000 Zen total give or take.
Not as big a value as previous packs and that's probably why it's cheaper than the other Large packs but still a value compared to buying everything individually.
That being said, the BOffs and the pet should be per Character and not per Account. Don't think I'll go in for the whole pack, but I'll probably dish out for the Gagarin-class. Had my eye on the Shepard since I first saw it.
12,000 zen for a pack that gives 4 ships (2 fed, 2 kdf), a ship skin, and some objects for one character in total. Aswell as the Discovery Starter Pack with some low level items.
Where other shippacks packs that costs 12,000 Zen gives 9 endgame ships (3fed, 3kdf, 3rom) account wide
And the previous expansion packs that cost 15,000 and got 10-11 endgame ships, and account wide gear and boffs.
Why are we getting less for the same cost with this new pack?
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The current arc is not an Expansion. Victory is Life was an expansion. Age of Discovery is just the next season.
I warned back when they started coming out with these two Pack ship Bundles that we were heading down a slippery slope of ship price increases. People came back and said 4,000 was right on target for a two Pack proportionately when compared with the 6,000 for a three Pack.
That wasn't the point because when you start adding 4,000 for two Packs together you are not factoring in the 'freebie' third two Pack like you had with the three three Packs, which then gave you a three pack for no added cost over two 6,000 Zen two Packs.
And doing the 'fuzzy' math of 'well four times 3,000 is 12,000, so everything else is 'free' is cr*p. This is a Bundle and Bundles are NEVER list price for individual ships.
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