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"Spores"

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Doctor Bashir, Kuumaarke, and Ezri Dax find themselves in a sticky situation in our latest fiction blog!

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11005873
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    but perhaps understanding a nonhumanoid brain might give us clues to the connections. And who knows what we’ll find then?”

    A predilection for nap time. :tongue:
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,696 Community Moderator
    edited September 2018
    Interesting... so just about everything involving the Mycelium Network and the Spore Drive were classified by Starfleet. And I mean BIG TIME Classified. Otherwise Ezri, via Jadzia's memories as a Science Officer or another previous Dax host, would be more familiar with the idea.

    Very interesting indeed.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I find the connection to the Elachi most interesting. I would argue that while the Elachi may have some memories of their hosts, their personalities are that of the fungus. Hence why they're so willing to sacrifice themselves.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,696 Community Moderator
    True. However in the case of the Elachi... I can't help but suspect that the Iconians had a hand in their evolution. While we do have examples of fungal infection taking over ants in reality, and stories of similar nightmare scenarios affecting humans in fiction, the Elachi ramp things up by not just taking control, but outright transforming the victim into an entirely different species altogether.

    But still... something possibly worth exploring?
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    Guess the fact we altered our future in butterfly means we have to live with fungus trek from now on...

    -Picks up his plasma flamer-

    ...Fungal exterminatus is not an option, is it?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,696 Community Moderator
    If you think about the blog, the fact that Ezri doesn't know that Starfleet had a working Spore Drive, or even considered the possibilities beyond communication, indicates that Starfleet classified ANYTHING involving the Mycelial Network and Spore Drive Tech. They buried it. So its existance in Discovery has no impact on future events.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,014 Arc User
    Which still leads to the question why they bothered in the first place. Make a prequel involving and only working through magitech, and then just make it "classified" to never come up again. Why?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,696 Community Moderator
    Same question could be asked about the Genesis Device.
    Why abandon that tech? The ability to terraform a planet almost instantly? Why would the Federation abandon such an amazing piece of technology?

    Reason: It can be weaponized into the deadliest anti-planet device in the galaxy. Just ask Commander Kruge in ST3 why he wanted the Genesis weapon.

    As for the Spore Drive... look at what Starfleet and the crew of Discovery learned from the Mirror Universe.
    The Network spans the multiverse. ANY misuse, such as using it as a power source for a supership IE ISS Charon, poisons the network and threatens all life in god knows how many realities. The Spore Drive itself is harmless to the Network as they just ride along it like a surfer. But it opens the door to much more dangerous tech that could destroy everything. Its too big a risk.

    So... tell me. Knowing the risks involved with Spore Tech that were learned from the Mirror Universe... why would Starfleet not classify and bury it?
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,014 Arc User
    > @somtaawkhar said:
    > angrytarg wrote: »
    >
    > Which still leads to the question why they bothered in the first place. Make a prequel involving and only working through magitech, and then just make it "classified" to never come up again. Why?
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    > By that logic why bother giving the Excelsior transwarp only for it to never come up again until Voyager where it was an entirely difference race doing it.

    That particular instance was to ridicule the Excelsior for comedic effect. It's transwarp drive never led to anything. Discovery (the show/plot) however wouldn't have worked without the shroom-drive.
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    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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  • bennash02#6887 bennash02
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    what is going on with tribble server?
  • captaintjpcaptaintjp Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    > @angrytarg said:
    > Which still leads to the question why they bothered in the first place. Make a prequel involving and only working through magitech, and then just make it "classified" to never come up again. Why?

    It's called "bad storytelling"
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    Can we end the Alliance now?
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc
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    edited September 2018
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Which still leads to the question why they bothered in the first place. Make a prequel involving and only working through magitech, and then just make it "classified" to never come up again. Why?
    By that logic why bother giving the Excelsior transwarp only for it to never come up again until Voyager where it was an entirely difference race doing it.

    There is a good theory that what the Federation was calling "transwarp" on the Excelsior was something entirely different from what the Borg call transwarp, and that in fact it DID work but was later just called "warp" with a different speed scale than before.


    As for the instantaneous fungus connections, they do have precedent in TOS in the form of the flying fried egg monsters that tried to take over Deneva. Spock likened them to brain cells connected by unknown means.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,014 Arc User
    > @somtaawkhar said:
    > angrytarg wrote: »
    >
    > That particular instance was to ridicule the Excelsior for comedic effect. It's transwarp drive never led to anything. Discovery (the show/plot) however wouldn't have worked without the shroom-drive.
    >
    >
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    > Boggles the mind how someone can misunderstand so much on so many levels.

    I want to be boggled too! How many levels? ✌😃
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    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Can we end the Alliance now?
    Cryptic has said repeatedly they wont end the Alliance. Not even sure why you would want it to end, nothing would REALLY change.

    I don't really care for this group and it's tales of galaxy wide genocide.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    the only ones committing genocide are the alliance's enemies, which is why we're fighting them

    pro-tip: genocide involves utterly destroying a race, including its women and children, which the alliance has never once done​​
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Yeah, but the Alliance is the reason one of them went out and committed genocide on at least two parallel universe.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,014 Arc User
    > @rattler2 said:
    > So... tell me. Knowing the risks involved with Spore Tech that were learned from the Mirror Universe... why would Starfleet not classify and bury it?

    In my opinion the scale is too large. The shroom is Star Trek's equivalent of the force now, the not-so-subtle manifestation of the "thread that ties all together" (Trek really isn't too good here as even things like Grethor have to be actual physical places people can go). It's existence was known in the MU and surely must be figured in any of the multiverses. If it was just a drive thst pollutes subspace in the long run or something like that, okay fine. But the "everything" of the universe? Too much.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    #TASforSTO
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    someone's family gets killed in an accidental missile strike - that someone then becomes a terrorist as an adult; who takes the blame for this? let me give you a hint - it isn't the ones who fired the missile​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"

    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    The Alliance screwed over the Tuturians (SP?) during the Iconian War, who became the 'sphere builders', who later went onto exterminating all life in two parallel universes.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    which is something they CHOSE to do because it was easier, instead of researching a non-destructive way to return to the physical plane - THEY are solely to blame for those actions, not the alliance​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"

    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    The Alliance set them down that path, it's the reason they went on to commit mass genocide.
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  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    shadowfang240 wrote: »
    the only ones committing genocide are the alliance's enemies, which is why we're fighting them

    pro-tip: genocide involves utterly destroying a race, including its women and children, which the alliance has never once done​​

    Tuterians would like a word with you, if they weren't rendered extinct.

    It was a Federation officer who gave the order to fire the weapon in Butterfly. One who is also part of the Alliance Thus altering the timeline and destroying the Tuterian race.
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