I always believed that there was some Borg reconnaissance involved in Enterprise's second season Episode 'Dead Stop'.
The Episode you are talking about is also on the second season, called 'Regeneration'.
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Posted this in another thread, but just as relevant here:
Another thing I love about Discovery actually - the consoles, and how they work, make sense to the viewer.
Compare:
To
The DSC one simply makes more sense to US - the viewer. The buttons actually display their function. The button that activates the spore drive actually SAYS "spore drive". From the viewer's perspective TOS console buttons were just a random jumble of pretty coloured buttons, and TNG's consoles were just a jumble of colours and numbers that meant NOTHING to us as viewers.
The USS Discovery's Captain's chair interface is the best example of how clear the ship's console functions can be. Not some silly coloured buttons that tells us nothing about their function - clearly labelled buttons with actual TEXT on them:
:
I'll grant you that the ST:TOS controls needed updating and were silly at times, however, USS Discovery's controls are not appealing as the consoles or controls of a military vessel of the 23rd century in my opinion (and this is a matter of personal tastes). That said, I think it needs pointing out here the obvious reason why USS Discovery has "soft" controls. Isn't it supposed to be a science vessel? It's not a warship like Enterprise is right? If Enterprise has "soft" controls, or any other Federation military starship of that era is shown to have "soft" controls, then that's going to be rather silly in my opinion.
Advanced should not mean lesser quality or "soft".
A good example of what I'm talking about can be expressed like this.
Take an old rotary phone and hit it with a 5-pound sledgehammer--once--and chances are it will still function.
Do that to a cell-phone and see what happens.
That is "hard" vs "soft".
ST:TUC had a very nice balance of "hard" and "soft" controls.
The Enterprise-D doesn't have "hard" controls, but it also has children onboard, and is more of an armed cruise ship (Galaxy Exploration vessel) than an actual warship if I remember correctly.
However, the controls for the USS Hathaway in ST:TNG has "Hard" controls as we can see here where Riker and Worf are repairing wiring and printed circuit boards in classic Star Trek cheesy style.
The Constellation class was a warship (or at least in ST:TNG it is declared a warship).
In ST:KT the USS Enterprise has "hard" controls on it (kudos to JJ-Abrams for doing that).
Port side of bridge:
Starboard side of bridge:
Helm/Navigation/front:
There are push-buttons, control sticks, two flight sticks, throttle controls, etc., mixed in with touch-screens. Not as many "hard" controls as I think a Heavy Cruiser should have, but that's just my personal taste. I still think JJ Abrams did a fine job with ST:KT's Enterprise.
I admit that part of my disappointment with TRIBBLE is that is does not look like ST:KT.
I understand the legal reasons for that, but it doesn't matter. I can get past the Uruk hai=Necromonger look even though it is annoying. What is not something I can overlook--call it a weakness of an artist--is the total disregard for the Matt Jefferies style of starships. I don't mean the smooth hull, or having it look EXACTLY like the 1960s. I mean a total redesign that doesn't fit into the era of the STE-ST:TOS time period. If this were a totally new Star Trek Universe/Timeline, that would be fine. Maybe the Klingons developed entirely differently in a different reality and that would be great to explore. However, Aaron Harberts made the claim that this was "Prime" universe/timeline. Harberts went so far as to say he would show in season 2 how this fits into the "Prime Timeline".
Clearly he's not going to since he got fired (in my opinion that is a good thing).
I've said this repeatedly and will continue to express it. We can only hope that Alex Kurtzman will make TRIBBLE into the Discovery-Timeline (then its acronym will become ST:DT for me, which would make some of you happy I'm sure. )
Yeah and the crew want everything so readily made on DSC that if boarded and taken over they could just hit the "Push to go BOOM" or "Push to stop BOOM" button..There is a reason people get trained for stuff EVEN in real life..DSC is just a joke of a bunch of people, ally or foe, who have everything at their finger tips labelled big and bold..Sorry but DSC just doesnt work forme as a fan since the 1990's..
lolwut...
Have you seen ST:III? The Klingons who boarded the Enterprise didn't even realise the ship was set to self destruct despite the massive countdown on the visual displays everywhere! What makes you think someone boarding a ship would automatically be able to read and understand what the controls and signage meant.
Plus the flipside of the issue is that any time we see our heros beam over to the alien of the week ship, they always seem able to work the controls and pilot the thing within minutes anyway, regardless of the language differences.
To be fair to the Klingons, for some reason the Universal Translator wasn't working (maybe they didn't have one and the Enterprise one's was turned off, or is always turned off for self-destruct?), and they only had a few seconds to realize what was going on.
But Starfleet officers seem really fast in picking up controls and technology.
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In ST1 the probe came aboard so easily and could control the ship with the bridge locked down..
In ST2 Khan and his crew took the reliant so easily..
In ST3 Kruge was the only one who understood what was happening sitting all the way on the bird of prey?!
In TNG also you had the Kling-ROMs-Cards-Ferengi-Alorians-Reman-early 60's humans- and a bunch of others who could figure the consoles..
In VOY you had a bunch of first contact spieces that could find their way around the ship in the delta quad biggest examples of this were Nelix and Kess who never saw a federation ship before..
TNG had DATA..
VOY had Seven of Nine into the second year on..
I am not even gonna talk about the Borg cause thats a way different topic all together..
Just my 2 cents on consoles..It swings both ways..
Thats all I am gonna say about the consoles as this is not a console thread..
okay, having read a whole bunch of posts, I feel I can comment on this now.
1] I haven't watched ST:Dis, fact is with where I live (Canada) I cant! (service not available here)
2] based on what I have seen/learned, much like 'Enterprise' it seems VERY likely to get reveiled tyo be fiction (in that case a 'historical holodeck simulation')
3] IMHO thjose arent Klingons, and shoud have been labeled 'something' else. (much like the BoP wasnt until a writer had sulu call it such)
4] re the game, I am planning to 'wait and see' I skipped playing the 'home' episodes (for the most part) and may do the same with this.
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> @karistasogare#3038 said: > okay, having read a whole bunch of posts, I feel I can comment on this now. > 1] I haven't watched ST:Dis, fact is with where I live (Canada) I cant! (service not available here) > 2] based on what I have seen/learned, much like 'Enterprise' it seems VERY likely to get reveiled tyo be fiction (in that case a 'historical holodeck simulation') > 3] IMHO thjose arent Klingons, and shoud have been labeled 'something' else. (much like the BoP wasnt until a writer had sulu call it such) > 4] re the game, I am planning to 'wait and see' I skipped playing the 'home' episodes (for the most part) and may do the same with this. > > > trekdom has a long and varied history, which included 'mailing' fuses to the studio back in 68
Only the final episode of Enterprise was a simulation and it still happened
> @angrytarg said: > I have to ask, for the drölfzigst time, why does this debate rely so much on whataboutism (it is certianly a form of it)? What point are people trying to do when they always and endlessly state that other incarnations of the franchise were also disliked? How does this affect criticism people voice right now? Does it make it invalid? I seriously would like to know! I just want to understand!
It's intended to obfsucate and spin away the incontrovertible fact that unlike TNG, DS9, VOY....and to an extent, ENT......TRIBBLE is a deliberate retcon of an entire era of Trek "History", in this case TOS, most likely for ideological reasons. Acknowledging that the controversy surrounding TRIBBLE is not only different from prior series, but also was deliberately provoked by CBS to begin with, would force them to go on record defending ideas and concepts they know are indefensible...such as the wisdom of dividing the Star Trek fanbase on purpose to conform to the partisan interests of one political party, something not previously done in any Star Trek series. As only a few of them are rabid or shameless enough to actually defend CBS on this, most of them are obliged to resort to destroying those making the complaints so they can dismiss the complaints as invalid by association rather than address them.
If TRIBBLE were in the Kelvin universe or in the future post VOY, it would be not nearly as controversial. As it is, it's not really compatible with STO unless in the Kelvin universe, as TRIBBLE, if properly implemented, overwrites AoY and the historical ramifications of Season 1 alone affect the main story line to the point it would have to be re-written.
okay, having read a whole bunch of posts, I feel I can comment on this now.
1] I haven't watched ST:Dis, fact is with where I live (Canada) I cant! (service not available here)
[...]
You can. In Canada you can watch Discovery as well as all the other Star Trek shows on Crave TV ( a streaming service similar to Netflix). There are other options as well.
When you turn a Klingon into a Klingoff, you don't deserve a show.
TRIBBLE is horrible. It's not surprising that "The Orville" is more popular.
This is a terrible idea putting that in our STO game... Terrible...
(And I like both ST: D and 'The Orville' but no TO's ratings are not spectacular.)
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The political commentary in this thread needs to stop.
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Guys I've redacted several bits of political commentary. This thread is meant to discuss the new Discovery things coming to the game and is not the place for political discussions. If you guys wish to discuss politics this forum is not the place for it.
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The Episode you are talking about is also on the second season, called 'Regeneration'.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
But Starfleet officers seem really fast in picking up controls and technology.
don't know I agree with what you said, but I DO like your idea of a carrier. particularly the direct link and the separation concept.
In ST2 Khan and his crew took the reliant so easily..
In ST3 Kruge was the only one who understood what was happening sitting all the way on the bird of prey?!
In TNG also you had the Kling-ROMs-Cards-Ferengi-Alorians-Reman-early 60's humans- and a bunch of others who could figure the consoles..
In VOY you had a bunch of first contact spieces that could find their way around the ship in the delta quad biggest examples of this were Nelix and Kess who never saw a federation ship before..
TNG had DATA..
VOY had Seven of Nine into the second year on..
I am not even gonna talk about the Borg cause thats a way different topic all together..
Just my 2 cents on consoles..It swings both ways..
Thats all I am gonna say about the consoles as this is not a console thread..
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Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
1] I haven't watched ST:Dis, fact is with where I live (Canada) I cant! (service not available here)
2] based on what I have seen/learned, much like 'Enterprise' it seems VERY likely to get reveiled tyo be fiction (in that case a 'historical holodeck simulation')
3] IMHO thjose arent Klingons, and shoud have been labeled 'something' else. (much like the BoP wasnt until a writer had sulu call it such)
4] re the game, I am planning to 'wait and see' I skipped playing the 'home' episodes (for the most part) and may do the same with this.
trekdom has a long and varied history, which included 'mailing' fuses to the studio back in 68
> okay, having read a whole bunch of posts, I feel I can comment on this now.
> 1] I haven't watched ST:Dis, fact is with where I live (Canada) I cant! (service not available here)
> 2] based on what I have seen/learned, much like 'Enterprise' it seems VERY likely to get reveiled tyo be fiction (in that case a 'historical holodeck simulation')
> 3] IMHO thjose arent Klingons, and shoud have been labeled 'something' else. (much like the BoP wasnt until a writer had sulu call it such)
> 4] re the game, I am planning to 'wait and see' I skipped playing the 'home' episodes (for the most part) and may do the same with this.
>
>
> trekdom has a long and varied history, which included 'mailing' fuses to the studio back in 68
Only the final episode of Enterprise was a simulation and it still happened
> I have to ask, for the drölfzigst time, why does this debate rely so much on whataboutism (it is certianly a form of it)? What point are people trying to do when they always and endlessly state that other incarnations of the franchise were also disliked? How does this affect criticism people voice right now? Does it make it invalid? I seriously would like to know! I just want to understand!
It's intended to obfsucate and spin away the incontrovertible fact that unlike TNG, DS9, VOY....and to an extent, ENT......TRIBBLE is a deliberate retcon of an entire era of Trek "History", in this case TOS, most likely for ideological reasons. Acknowledging that the controversy surrounding TRIBBLE is not only different from prior series, but also was deliberately provoked by CBS to begin with, would force them to go on record defending ideas and concepts they know are indefensible...such as the wisdom of dividing the Star Trek fanbase on purpose to conform to the partisan interests of one political party, something not previously done in any Star Trek series. As only a few of them are rabid or shameless enough to actually defend CBS on this, most of them are obliged to resort to destroying those making the complaints so they can dismiss the complaints as invalid by association rather than address them.
If TRIBBLE were in the Kelvin universe or in the future post VOY, it would be not nearly as controversial. As it is, it's not really compatible with STO unless in the Kelvin universe, as TRIBBLE, if properly implemented, overwrites AoY and the historical ramifications of Season 1 alone affect the main story line to the point it would have to be re-written.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/07/star-trek-discovery-trump-political-divide/
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ORLY? If you rool at the ACTUAL 'The Orville' ratings - the decline from the premire is striking (It went to about the same level as 'Enterprise' when ENT was cancelled:
https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/the-orville-season-one-ratings/
(And I like both ST: D and 'The Orville' but no TO's ratings are not spectacular.)
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