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yeah...i get the ship was supposed to be intimidating, but they could've removed like...half the spikes and it still would've gotten the job done - hell, they could've removed ALL the spikes because the size alone compared to the kelvin should've done it
and if not, the shield-bypassing cluster torpedoes would have
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yeah...i get the ship was supposed to be intimidating, but they could've removed like...half the spikes and it still would've gotten the job done - hell, they could've removed ALL the spikes because the size alone compared to the kelvin should've done it
and if not, the shield-bypassing cluster torpedoes would have
ACTUALLY... those are more spikes. Yes, it fires spikes at people!
I'm actually with @patrickngo on the spikes thing... the new Klingon weapons are designed to look like they have spikes just for the sake of having them. I can't see how one would holster or shoulder these without stabbing themself. Very poorly thought out design IMO. I liked the older stuff better.
You holster those the same way you holster a d'ktag or bat'leth. Why are they there? So that when you either buttstroke or pistol whip someone it hurts more.
Reincorporating the IP could have allowed CBS to create a Star Trek without many of the changes they were forced to do with Discovery. Possibly reducing some of the friction this series has met by parts of the fanbase. While I'll concide that at the time of Discovery inception, there possibly wasn't talk of a merger within the halls of CBS, but there was no need to roll out new Trek as the flagship series of their new streaming service. As @captainwells noted, its pretty. Visually stunning, but it feels (at least to me) somewhat incomplete and its due to CBS moving forward the way they did instead of coming up with a way to reacquire the rights that Paramount inherited when the two split.
I still don't see what this has to do with anything. No one forced anyone to make any changes for Discovery. There is also a very good reason why CBS rolled it out for All Access - they want to build on their own streaming service. Selling the series to Netflix would not help that.
Fair enough and my thanks to you and @angrytarg for refreshing my memory with respect to that initial leak and its debunking. For the record, I have no problem with CBS putting together All Access. It's their shows...knock themselves out. Especially when everyone else seems to be jumping on that bandwagon. However, I do not care for many of the aesthetic and technical changes nor making the principle focus on a single character and I still believe the show would have been better recieved with an ensembled cast, some toned down aesthetics, and on broadcast television vice the streaming service. My two ec.
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I'm actually with @patrickngo on the spikes thing... the new Klingon weapons are designed to look like they have spikes just for the sake of having them. I can't see how one would holster or shoulder these without stabbing themself. Very poorly thought out design IMO. I liked the older stuff better.
If I'm stabbing myself with the pistol's in-line spikes then the barrel's probably gone through my femur. What's happening with the ornaments really isn't the biggest issue with the scenario...
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there's no 'butt' on the rifle, just the back of the mechanism, teh forward spikes don't work well as a bayonet, either (Wrong profile for slashing and too short/set back too far for stabbing.) same problem with the pistol's "Knuckle spikes"-they're just long enough to hang up on whatever you come in contact with when it's holstered, and just wrongly placed to enhance strikes as an augment to your fist.
Interesting take on it... I don't agree. the fact they don't protrude past the end of the barrel makes them LESS likely to get caught on things than if they did.
the Pre-and-post discovery Disruptors tended to be relatively clean,mechanical looking designs,
Simple designs... some of which you could make a decent replica of in a few minutes... because they are made of blocks and cylinders with a pistol grip attached.
As for practical... no.
Or this crude bit of metal:
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Yes, really, some Klingons actually used those in TOS.
except that the form follows function axiom doesn't apply. the only actual commonality is that they're both ranged weapons.
The second example is clearly converted by the prop department from a commercial shotgun. Since energy weapons don't recoil, the lack of a visible buttstock isn't a deal-killer and it's relatively handy.
So you're saying it's fine to make dumb looking energy weapons if the reason is that the prop department was lazy?
The TOS disruptor pistol is small, handy, and has very few protrusions, the sort of thing that you probably can sling or pocket, like many 20th century small pistols.
"Few protrusions"? Yeah, except fo the emitter array which is shaped in a manner that looks like it'd be easily broken and catch on everything if you tried to pocket it.
actually makes a lot of sense, because 2-3 points of contact (shoulder and one or two handed grip) will tend to make for more accurate shots-which during a boarding action is NOT a bad idea, if you don't want to destroy critical equipment or punch holes in the hull from inside.
except that the barrel is so short that aiming would be easier without the stock. To me the only logical purpose for the butt stock is to hold extra power cells to increase weapon damage.
In other words.... The Klingon weapon in the picture is a niche item that most likely wouldn't see mass-production. Yeah, that stuff you compared it to? None of it's a commonly encountered item. They're low accuracy(due to the short barrels) and low caliber, so they don't have a whole lot of stopping power. Which means that it's an "awkward middle ground" weapon that has the power of a sidearm but is almost as bulky as a proper rifle. Which of course is why most of those were never popular. Adding a stock to make aiming somewhat more accurate isn't a high-priority for a pistol because it sacrifices the main reason people use pistols. That and it's never as good as an actual rifle.
the main use of a pistol (if you're really using one) is self-defense, ranges under 7 meters (per FBI statistics) and the deadliest BULLET on earth (by number of people killed yearly) is the .22 long rifle cartridge, which is a rimfire, low pressure, low velocity, light bullet. it's killed (and kills) more people worldwide than anything else.
Why?
Yes, that's right, because .22 cal pistols are easily concealed.
Carbines are weapons of offense. thus, why the military's gotten real friendly with the M-4 over the M-16, or why britain chose a bullpup wth the SA-80. reduced length, handy, but with rifle-like qualities.
M-4 IS a rifle.... It's nearly the same as the M-16.
The TOS disrupter pistol is actually quite practical in design.
Notice the lack of anything like a firearm trigger assembly? Klingons used thumb triggers like medieval crossbows, which as a side effect make it very easy to shift grip and use the pistol but to strike with in melee without turning he pistol all the way around and gripping it like a hammer. The emitter spike does not have to be a big heavy pipe because they would not be punching with it (though it and the things on the sides of the barrel are probably made of duranium and easily strong enough to take the abuse).
As for the diamond shaped things on the sides, they are probably handgrips for long range shots, but they could a so be heat sinks for whatever the barrel shaped thing is and neither the designer nor dialog ever said which (I personally think they are grips, one of my friends had one identical to the original props and it fit well in the hand when held with both hands like a crossbow using those flanges to grip with the fingers while the bottom of the gun rested on the palm).
The TOS disrupter pistol is actually quite practical in design.
Notice the lack of anything like a firearm trigger assembly? Klingons used thumb triggers like medieval crossbows, which as a side effect make it very easy to shift grip and use the pistol but to strike with in melee without turning he pistol all the way around and gripping it like a hammer. The emitter spike does not have to be a big heavy pipe because they would not be punching with it (though it and the things on the sides of the barrel are probably made of duranium and easily strong enough to take the abuse).
As for the diamond shaped things on the sides, they are probably handgrips for long range shots, but they could a so be heat sinks for whatever the barrel shaped thing is and neither the designer nor dialog ever said which (I personally think they are grips, one of my friends had one identical to the original props and it fit well in the hand when held with both hands like a crossbow using those flanges to grip with the fingers while the bottom of the gun rested on the palm).
I believe there is a scene in STIII when the Klingon boarding party is getting ready where one of them attached the stock to a pistol, it's brief but there in one of the editions. It probably works on the same fashion as the old type I and type II fed phasers, one is basically a larger power pack, you attach one to the other and you have a stronger phaser/disruptor. In this case it means they have the equivalent of disruptor rifles in a more convenient form, being more powerful than the pistol but not too unwieldy. Especially useful for boarding and enemy ship.
The weapon seems very logical actually as it's not much different in layout from a modern bullpup design.
You know what else "isn't really Trek?" Almost all of Star Trek Online. In all of Star Trek shows, how many real wars has the Federation seen? Klingon War in Discovery, arguably a Borg War in TNG/Voyager, and the Dominion War in DS9. Not shown on screen, we have the Romulan War between Enterprise and TOS. That is 4, over more than 230 years, from Enterprise in 2151 to the Hobus Supernova of 2387. And now we have how many, taking place in less than 2 years, 2409-10? So lets not complain too much about Discovery being "not Trek" shall we?
You know what else "isn't really Trek?" Almost all of Star Trek Online. In all of Star Trek shows, how many real wars has the Federation seen? Klingon War in Discovery, arguably a Borg War in TNG/Voyager, and the Dominion War in DS9. Not shown on screen, we have the Romulan War between Enterprise and TOS. That is 4, over more than 230 years, from Enterprise in 2151 to the Hobus Supernova of 2387. And now we have how many, taking place in less than 2 years, 2409-10? So lets not complain too much about Discovery being "not Trek" shall we?
STO is Trek mélange but it is still essentially Trek despite the DCU-like multiverse approach, and it is much closer than Discovery since it is mostly consistent with the source shows which Discovery is not. That said, Discovery itself is not at all bad for modern gee-wiz style sci-fi, it shares a lot style-wise with the very popular and well done Killjoys for instance. It is Discovery's incompatibilities with the original Star Trek shows that irritate the fans more than anything else.
As for wars, there were more than those though not all of them made it past oblique references. Two major ones you forgot on your list are the Xindi war that occupied most of third season if I recall correctly, and the temporal war (cold or hot it is still armed conflict).
TOS makes reference to a war about twenty years or so before Kirk got command of the Enterprise (which FASA, in collaboration with Paramount later called The Four Years War) which was why the peace-loving Federation started building "heavy cruisers" which were bigger and more heavily armed than battlecruisers (and of which Roddenberry often said were really battleships in all but name).
There may have been other wars during the ENT-TOS gap that were never talked about as well (like for instance Burnham's war in Discovery and the many little brushwars that are vaguely mentioned in the first DSC episode).
A lot of people assume that nothing happened between the TOS movie era and TNG but again I seem to remember a reference or two to incidents that could very well have been brush wars glossed over. And while much of the STO stuff is desperate enough for those concerned they are still mostly handled by one ship or a small handful of them just like things in the shows were. Even in the real world wars are not always called wars.
One thing that might seem odd to STO players is that the Hobus explosion has not happened yet in Prime and might not necessarily happen at all since Spock's spinner ship is nothing like the normal Trek tech which may mean it was from a different parallel timeline itself (and there are thousands of known alternates care of an episode where a great many versions of Ent-D showed up at the same time). Remember, the last Prime movie was before Hobus and if CBS has decided whether they will honor it as a Kelvin reference or not I have not heard about it.
It would be nice if Discovery would take an expansive, inclusive approach like STO but I seriously doubt that they will. On the other hand, unless CBS demands STO get rid of all the original series stuff it should not be a problem in STO's more adaptable format to incorporate it as another alternate of some kind even if it is a parallel existing in the same timespace.
since Spock's spinner ship is nothing like the normal Trek tech which may mean it was from a different parallel timeline itself
According to the "Countdown" tie in comics that serve as the prequel to 2009 Trek, the Jellyfish, as the ship is called, was a unique prototype vessel built by LaForge.
Still doesn't explain why we don't have the Jellyfish in STO. We have the Enterprise and Vengeance from the JJTrek movies, 26th Century starships, 29th Century starships, 31st Century starships, and the Galaxy-X from a timeline that no longer exists, but the Jellyfish was created in the 24th Century STO universe. So it makes sense to have the Jellyfish since it makes sense for the Federation to have it unlike the other mentioned examples.
Still doesn't explain why we don't have the Jellyfish in STO. We have the Enterprise and Vengeance from the JJTrek movies, 26th Century starships, 29th Century starships, 31st Century starships, and the Galaxy-X from a timeline that no longer exists, but the Jellyfish was created in the 24th Century STO universe. So it makes sense to have the Jellyfish since it makes sense for the Federation to have it unlike the other mentioned examples.
the Jellyfish is like the size of a shuttle, and all the Kelvin movie stuff has to be okayed by Paramount and Bad Robot.
I would put the blame on not having a Jellyfish due to its animations rather than Paramount not OKing it. If we have the JJEnterprise and Vengeance, then it doesn't make sense for the Jellyfish to not be included. We already have a few shuttles in the Lobi Store so there is no reason why it being a shuttle would be an excuse to not having it.
I could have sworn TRIBBLE was supposed to 20 years AFTER Nemesis. I have not seen Discovery but have seen some vines about the Pro and Con of TRIBBLE. I listened to the audio of STLV about discovery and I for one will wait and see how well if at all it plays out. Changing ques to Task forces seemed at best far fetched but who knows. More grinding and another Rep to grind for. Yeah, NOT!
I am sorry but having a First Officer on the first Episode commit Mutiny is TRIBBLE. Starfleet never fires first.
I could have sworn TRIBBLE was supposed to 20 years AFTER Nemesis. I have not seen Discovery but have seen some vines about the Pro and Con of TRIBBLE. I listened to the audio of STLV about discovery and I for one will wait and see how well if at all it plays out. Changing ques to Task forces seemed at best far fetched but who knows. More grinding and another Rep to grind for. Yeah, NOT!
I am sorry but having a First Officer on the first Episode commit Mutiny is ****. Starfleet never fires first.
Well, Starfleet still doesn't, because she fails. And a Star Trek that doesn't allow a person to recover from its biggest failure would not feel right to me. And seeing a person pick herself or himself up from such a failure is of course a much more interesting story than seeing a perfect person staying perfect.
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Well, Starfleet still doesn't, because she fails. And a Star Trek that doesn't allow a person to recover from its biggest failure would not feel right to me. And seeing a person pick herself or himself up from such a failure is of course a much more interesting story than seeing a perfect person staying perfect.
Military organizations (and as the Federation's only known Defense force that is what Starfleet is, like it or not) rely on the chain of command to function, and Mutiny strikes at the very core of that. What she did was unforgivable, especially since she could not present any extenuating circumstances that would have merited leniency from the Tribunal....which Spock, btw, was successfully able to do in The Menagerie. If they needed to have Burnham start, or fall, into the career crapper they should have come up with a situation that it was at least plausible for her to be able to redeem herself for. Usually that is due to some sort of bad command decision or screwup that wasn't a capital offense in and of itself.
It would also have helped if they had given people time to connect with her before she charged that windmill...doing something that stupid in the first episode doesn't make her interesting to me, or a lot of people from what I've seen.
Well
A. She didn't commit mutiny, by definition, she failed too. Not to mention Spock committed mutiny back in TOS.
It would depend on whether the Court found that she had completed the offense, albeit for only several minutes, before being subsequently confronted and arrested by the CO or not. In any case, the penalty for Attempted Mutiny is the same so the point is moot.
Spock successfully presented an affirmative defense, namely that he acted to relieve CAPT Pike's suffering by delivering him to the only people able to help him live with any kind of quality of life....which incidentally persuaded Starfleet Command to retroactively authorize taking Pike to Talos IV and not bring up Spock on charges to begin with. Remember, the Court Martial on Enterprise was a charade designed by the Talosians to keep Kirk distracted while the situation played out. As Commodore Mendez wasn't actually there, it was not a legal proceeding. A thin reed to be sure....but then we also had most of Season 1 to learn enough about Spock to accept that he did not take such a step lightly. Whereas Burnham pointlessly torched her career in episode 1 of TRIBBLE.
Another interesting difference is that Burnham seemed to be indifferent to the fact she was putting the entire Bridge Crew in jeopardy of being charged with "Failure to report or suppress a Mutiny", or worse, with Mutiny themselves....while Spock crafted his plan specifically to prevent anyone from going down for this but him. I know who I'd rather have for a XO (hint...it';s not Burnham).
B. Starfleet does fire first, and commits planetary genocide, and uses biological warfare to kill billions, and lets countless species die due to natural causes they could have prevented, and tons of other stuff.
That's a interesting admission, given what we know about about what the Federation is intended to represent in Star Trek, and TRIBBLE in particular....especially since it's so apt.
I could have sworn TRIBBLE was supposed to 20 years AFTER Nemesis. I have not seen Discovery but have seen some vines about the Pro and Con of TRIBBLE. I listened to the audio of STLV about discovery and I for one will wait and see how well if at all it plays out. Changing ques to Task forces seemed at best far fetched but who knows. More grinding and another Rep to grind for. Yeah, NOT!
I am sorry but having a First Officer on the first Episode commit Mutiny is ****. Starfleet never fires first.
Star Trek Discovery is set 10 years before TOS even though it could easily be 20 years after Nemesis with a few minor changes like change the Klingons to some new alien race and remove all name drops. The season finale introduced the original Enterprise being commanded by Captain Pike instead of Captain Kirk. The new Star Trek series featuring Patrick Stewart that we know almost nothing about is set 20 years after Nemesis.
Well, Starfleet still doesn't, because she fails. And a Star Trek that doesn't allow a person to recover from its biggest failure would not feel right to me. And seeing a person pick herself or himself up from such a failure is of course a much more interesting story than seeing a perfect person staying perfect.
Military organizations (and as the Federation's only known Defense force that is what Starfleet is, like it or not) rely on the chain of command to function, and Mutiny strikes at the very core of that. What she did was unforgivable
I dunno, Kirk was forgiven for ignoring Starfleet Command, stealing the Enterprise and sabotaging the Excelsior... So whatever you might think personally, Star Trek has already decided a few decades ago that ignoring lawful orders and comandeering ships can be forgiven, if you make up for it with some heroic deeds.
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I was afraid this would happen when Martok named T'Kuvma, Voq and L'rell had the end of the Home episodes. Please keep this abomination out of STO. Shitcovery is not even remotely Star Trek and as a Klingon fan it is even insulting to have another "event" aimed at the Blue side alone.
How do you know there won't be any KDF content?
Because there has been no Klingon only content for years all they get is the same fed storys which as a KDF player really grinds my gears same for Romulans. Perfect world can;t seem to juggle more than one faction so they picked the feds and the most content goes to them.
The only silver lining is because most people will be playing this as a fed I will not have to see those Klingon abominations on Quonos
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You mean when he came back to Earth and was given a court-martial after saving the planet? They gave him a reprimand and demoted him from admiral, but in return for a rather incredible performance saving the planet let him continue as captain. Not exactly free of repercussions, and he had a rather big redeeming act to his credit...I mean a really big redeeming act.
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You mean when he came back to Earth and was given a court-martial after saving the planet? They gave him a reprimand and demoted him from admiral, but in return for a rather incredible performance saving the planet let him continue as captain.
Not exactly free of repercussions, and he had a rather big redeeming act to his credit...I mean a really big redeeming act.
Well, Burnham was part of the team that ended the Federation-Klingon War, and in manner that stands up to the Federation's own ideals. And she actually served time, unlike Kirk.
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A war that they say she had a hand in starting, and yes WE know there are other reasons for the war, but to the tribunal at the CM, she appeared to be trying to start the war. And she was back serving on a ship well before any redeeming acts. Quite a few differences though I do understand where you're coming from, I just think that there's a pretty big difference between the two.
Besides (personal opinion) Kirk is awesome, she's annoying. ;-)
A war that they say she had a hand in starting, and yes WE know there are other reasons for the war, but to the tribunal at the CM, she appeared to be trying to start the war.
And she was back serving on a ship well before any redeeming acts. Quite a few differences though I do understand where you're coming from, I just think that there's a pretty big difference between the two.
Besides (personal opinion) Kirk is awesome, she's annoying. ;-)
As has been said before, she didn't start anything. It was going to happen anyway. She just wound up being a useful scapegoat.
And she wasn't convicted for starting a war, but for attemting a mutiny. It just isn't great for your reputation if you start a mutiny because you want to shoot at an enemy that you end up in a war with. And between a Captain that was trying hard to get a peaceful solution the non-shooty way, and an Admiral that was trying hard to get a peaceful soution the non-shooty way, which both end up dead, and an officer attempting a mutiny to start shooting at the Klingons and lives to see the day, she just doesn't look good.
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and if not, the shield-bypassing cluster torpedoes would have
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Fair enough and my thanks to you and @angrytarg for refreshing my memory with respect to that initial leak and its debunking. For the record, I have no problem with CBS putting together All Access. It's their shows...knock themselves out. Especially when everyone else seems to be jumping on that bandwagon. However, I do not care for many of the aesthetic and technical changes nor making the principle focus on a single character and I still believe the show would have been better recieved with an ensembled cast, some toned down aesthetics, and on broadcast television vice the streaming service. My two ec.
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If I'm stabbing myself with the pistol's in-line spikes then the barrel's probably gone through my femur. What's happening with the ornaments really isn't the biggest issue with the scenario...
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As for practical... no.
Or this crude bit of metal:
But since older is obviously better.... Feast your eyes on this beauty!
Yes, really, some Klingons actually used those in TOS.
It looks even dumber from this angle:
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Yes, that's right, because .22 cal pistols are easily concealed. M-4 IS a rifle.... It's nearly the same as the M-16.
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Notice the lack of anything like a firearm trigger assembly? Klingons used thumb triggers like medieval crossbows, which as a side effect make it very easy to shift grip and use the pistol but to strike with in melee without turning he pistol all the way around and gripping it like a hammer. The emitter spike does not have to be a big heavy pipe because they would not be punching with it (though it and the things on the sides of the barrel are probably made of duranium and easily strong enough to take the abuse).
As for the diamond shaped things on the sides, they are probably handgrips for long range shots, but they could a so be heat sinks for whatever the barrel shaped thing is and neither the designer nor dialog ever said which (I personally think they are grips, one of my friends had one identical to the original props and it fit well in the hand when held with both hands like a crossbow using those flanges to grip with the fingers while the bottom of the gun rested on the palm).
Yep, and they look elegant.
It probably works on the same fashion as the old type I and type II fed phasers, one is basically a larger power pack, you attach one to the other and you have a stronger phaser/disruptor.
In this case it means they have the equivalent of disruptor rifles in a more convenient form, being more powerful than the pistol but not too unwieldy. Especially useful for boarding and enemy ship.
The weapon seems very logical actually as it's not much different in layout from a modern bullpup design.
STO is Trek mélange but it is still essentially Trek despite the DCU-like multiverse approach, and it is much closer than Discovery since it is mostly consistent with the source shows which Discovery is not. That said, Discovery itself is not at all bad for modern gee-wiz style sci-fi, it shares a lot style-wise with the very popular and well done Killjoys for instance. It is Discovery's incompatibilities with the original Star Trek shows that irritate the fans more than anything else.
As for wars, there were more than those though not all of them made it past oblique references. Two major ones you forgot on your list are the Xindi war that occupied most of third season if I recall correctly, and the temporal war (cold or hot it is still armed conflict).
TOS makes reference to a war about twenty years or so before Kirk got command of the Enterprise (which FASA, in collaboration with Paramount later called The Four Years War) which was why the peace-loving Federation started building "heavy cruisers" which were bigger and more heavily armed than battlecruisers (and of which Roddenberry often said were really battleships in all but name).
There may have been other wars during the ENT-TOS gap that were never talked about as well (like for instance Burnham's war in Discovery and the many little brushwars that are vaguely mentioned in the first DSC episode).
A lot of people assume that nothing happened between the TOS movie era and TNG but again I seem to remember a reference or two to incidents that could very well have been brush wars glossed over. And while much of the STO stuff is desperate enough for those concerned they are still mostly handled by one ship or a small handful of them just like things in the shows were. Even in the real world wars are not always called wars.
One thing that might seem odd to STO players is that the Hobus explosion has not happened yet in Prime and might not necessarily happen at all since Spock's spinner ship is nothing like the normal Trek tech which may mean it was from a different parallel timeline itself (and there are thousands of known alternates care of an episode where a great many versions of Ent-D showed up at the same time). Remember, the last Prime movie was before Hobus and if CBS has decided whether they will honor it as a Kelvin reference or not I have not heard about it.
It would be nice if Discovery would take an expansive, inclusive approach like STO but I seriously doubt that they will. On the other hand, unless CBS demands STO get rid of all the original series stuff it should not be a problem in STO's more adaptable format to incorporate it as another alternate of some kind even if it is a parallel existing in the same timespace.
Still doesn't explain why we don't have the Jellyfish in STO. We have the Enterprise and Vengeance from the JJTrek movies, 26th Century starships, 29th Century starships, 31st Century starships, and the Galaxy-X from a timeline that no longer exists, but the Jellyfish was created in the 24th Century STO universe. So it makes sense to have the Jellyfish since it makes sense for the Federation to have it unlike the other mentioned examples.
I would put the blame on not having a Jellyfish due to its animations rather than Paramount not OKing it. If we have the JJEnterprise and Vengeance, then it doesn't make sense for the Jellyfish to not be included. We already have a few shuttles in the Lobi Store so there is no reason why it being a shuttle would be an excuse to not having it.
I am sorry but having a First Officer on the first Episode commit Mutiny is TRIBBLE. Starfleet never fires first.
Military organizations (and as the Federation's only known Defense force that is what Starfleet is, like it or not) rely on the chain of command to function, and Mutiny strikes at the very core of that. What she did was unforgivable, especially since she could not present any extenuating circumstances that would have merited leniency from the Tribunal....which Spock, btw, was successfully able to do in The Menagerie. If they needed to have Burnham start, or fall, into the career crapper they should have come up with a situation that it was at least plausible for her to be able to redeem herself for. Usually that is due to some sort of bad command decision or screwup that wasn't a capital offense in and of itself.
It would also have helped if they had given people time to connect with her before she charged that windmill...doing something that stupid in the first episode doesn't make her interesting to me, or a lot of people from what I've seen.
It would depend on whether the Court found that she had completed the offense, albeit for only several minutes, before being subsequently confronted and arrested by the CO or not. In any case, the penalty for Attempted Mutiny is the same so the point is moot.
Spock successfully presented an affirmative defense, namely that he acted to relieve CAPT Pike's suffering by delivering him to the only people able to help him live with any kind of quality of life....which incidentally persuaded Starfleet Command to retroactively authorize taking Pike to Talos IV and not bring up Spock on charges to begin with. Remember, the Court Martial on Enterprise was a charade designed by the Talosians to keep Kirk distracted while the situation played out. As Commodore Mendez wasn't actually there, it was not a legal proceeding. A thin reed to be sure....but then we also had most of Season 1 to learn enough about Spock to accept that he did not take such a step lightly. Whereas Burnham pointlessly torched her career in episode 1 of TRIBBLE.
Another interesting difference is that Burnham seemed to be indifferent to the fact she was putting the entire Bridge Crew in jeopardy of being charged with "Failure to report or suppress a Mutiny", or worse, with Mutiny themselves....while Spock crafted his plan specifically to prevent anyone from going down for this but him. I know who I'd rather have for a XO (hint...it';s not Burnham).
That's a interesting admission, given what we know about about what the Federation is intended to represent in Star Trek, and TRIBBLE in particular....especially since it's so apt.
Star Trek Discovery is set 10 years before TOS even though it could easily be 20 years after Nemesis with a few minor changes like change the Klingons to some new alien race and remove all name drops. The season finale introduced the original Enterprise being commanded by Captain Pike instead of Captain Kirk. The new Star Trek series featuring Patrick Stewart that we know almost nothing about is set 20 years after Nemesis.
Because there has been no Klingon only content for years all they get is the same fed storys which as a KDF player really grinds my gears same for Romulans. Perfect world can;t seem to juggle more than one faction so they picked the feds and the most content goes to them.
The only silver lining is because most people will be playing this as a fed I will not have to see those Klingon abominations on Quonos
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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You mean when he came back to Earth and was given a court-martial after saving the planet? They gave him a reprimand and demoted him from admiral, but in return for a rather incredible performance saving the planet let him continue as captain.
Not exactly free of repercussions, and he had a rather big redeeming act to his credit...I mean a really big redeeming act.
Well, Burnham was part of the team that ended the Federation-Klingon War, and in manner that stands up to the Federation's own ideals. And she actually served time, unlike Kirk.
And she was back serving on a ship well before any redeeming acts. Quite a few differences though I do understand where you're coming from, I just think that there's a pretty big difference between the two.
Besides (personal opinion) Kirk is awesome, she's annoying. ;-)
And she wasn't convicted for starting a war, but for attemting a mutiny. It just isn't great for your reputation if you start a mutiny because you want to shoot at an enemy that you end up in a war with. And between a Captain that was trying hard to get a peaceful solution the non-shooty way, and an Admiral that was trying hard to get a peaceful soution the non-shooty way, which both end up dead, and an officer attempting a mutiny to start shooting at the Klingons and lives to see the day, she just doesn't look good.