> @jonsills said: > Hangin' round > The shipyard at ESD, > And I had too much EC > And I was thinkin' 'bout new ships > And then there she was, > With glowy bits she flies, > Yeah there she was, > The Disco Enterprise...
Christ, Jon, if I'd been drinking right then, I'd need a mop right about now.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
except SIF wasn't present in TOS, so there will be no taking into account of any such technology in regards to the original enterprise
I just say they had material and techniques that can make super, mega strong structures, despite looking frail.
I'm amazed at sci-fi fans who can't seem to help thinking their own limited ideas of current technology must apply to sci-fi design. That mindset isn't new, but it seems be much more common these days.
Let's apply some of the same anti-Connie views to something more real:
Look at that piece of junk. Thin rotors that would be easily shot off, the crew section forward placed behind weak transparent material, and all the important weapons are exposed on pylons where they can be hit by enemy fire before they're even launched!
How stupid.
Oh wait, that is actually the preeminent attack helicopter in the world, and each of those horrible weakness are required elements needed for the design to actually perform in it's role or even fly. And those rotors in real life can take quite impressive amounts of damage and still allow the bird to fly (I leave the google exercise of finding pictures of that type of damage to reader).
So, not so stupid after all.
The Connie should be looked at in the same way. The struts aren't frail and useless- they're required. Why? Who knows- this is fiction, make up a reason that pleases you. Personally these are my mind canon reasons:
The general layout of the ship is required as a result of the warp field produced by the specific model of Warp Drive used by the Connie. The entire design is optimized for that use. Same as a modern Aircraft carrier general design is optimized for its use.
Those struts (and perhaps the neck) are made of a material far denser and more robust than any other section on the ship to handle stress. That density is why they seem rather thin, you couldn't make them wider or thicker without vastly increasing mass and thus lowering performance. They are the sweet spot in design.
The ship Deflectors aren't called force fields for a reason. They *Defect*, i.e. incoming fire is deflected away from ideally the whole ship in whole or in part, or failing that away from the most critical portions.
There done. We have a nifty looking ship that can withstand repeated hits by a Doomsday machine that craves up planets for lunch.
Really, people should use their imagination. It isn't hard.
I have a simple approach to fictional technology, I accept what's shown me as reasonable *even if I don't know why it's reasonable*. This lasts until a lack of consistency makes it impossible to believe an event happening when past history indicates it shouldn't.
I sometimes have fun with making up how it could be reasonable, but that only happens when what's presented to me is really good, and I want to do something with it. In the case of TOS, designing a table top game for starship combat. So yeah, lot of nerd energy spent there.
I have a simple approach to fictional technology, I accept what's shown me as reasonable *even if I don't know why it's reasonable*. This lasts until a lack of consistency makes it impossible to believe an event happening when past history indicates it shouldn't.
I sometimes have fun with making up how it could be reasonable, but that only happens when what's presented to me is really good, and I want to do something with it. In the case of TOS, designing a table top game for starship combat. So yeah, lot of nerd energy spent there.
But whatever, Connie forever!
~Gives you a napkin~
Yep, Cookie Monster, I'm with ya, there.
~fist bump~
I also wanna one day finish my TOS NEO ship, where the engine pods, like the Iconians, are floating, not physically attached.
> @jonsills said:
> Hangin' round
> The shipyard at ESD,
> And I had too much EC
> And I was thinkin' 'bout new ships
> And then there she was,
> With glowy bits she flies,
> Yeah there she was,
> The Disco Enterprise...
Christ, Jon, if I'd been drinking right then, I'd need a mop right about now.
I smell ships and warp drives there,
Who's that in the captain's chair?
Who's that throwing party ball flares in my direction?
Mama, this surely is a dream...
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,434Community Moderator
Hopefully we'll also get a few Klingon ships.
Before anyone rants... its been a while since the KDF got some stand alone ships that didn't have Fed/Romulan counterparts.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,434Community Moderator
and it won't happen ever again while the game lives
Oh I have a feeling we will with Discovery ships. Feds won't be getting a counterpart to the BoP. I can see a couple Fed cruisers, maybe a big dreadnaught cruiser, and the Klingons will get the BoP, the so-called D7 prison cruiser, and probably another ship.
they had over 14 different ship designs at the binary star battle...they'll make one of them a light escort to pair with the BoP just so they don't have to release a stand-alone KDF ship
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
That's pretty efficient - dumping all over new content before it's even created, thus saving yourself that long wait until it comes out and you can actually try it out first.
Whining has reached a new peak here. (Don't worry, though, I'm sure it'll be exceeded soon.)
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,434Community Moderator
What makes the BoPs more "boring" to make is the BOff layout. They're all generally UNIVERSAL. So there's less work to do on it because they don't have to try and balance the BOff abilities like they do on any other ship.
What makes the BoPs more "boring" to make is the BOff layout. They're all generally UNIVERSAL. So there's less work to do on it because they don't have to try and balance the BOff abilities like they do on any other ship.
Right just make one of them a spec seat... usually the LtC.
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> Hangin' round
> The shipyard at ESD,
> And I had too much EC
> And I was thinkin' 'bout new ships
> And then there she was,
> With glowy bits she flies,
> Yeah there she was,
> The Disco Enterprise...
Christ, Jon, if I'd been drinking right then, I'd need a mop right about now.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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I have a simple approach to fictional technology, I accept what's shown me as reasonable *even if I don't know why it's reasonable*. This lasts until a lack of consistency makes it impossible to believe an event happening when past history indicates it shouldn't.
I sometimes have fun with making up how it could be reasonable, but that only happens when what's presented to me is really good, and I want to do something with it. In the case of TOS, designing a table top game for starship combat. So yeah, lot of nerd energy spent there.
But whatever, Connie forever!
Yep, Cookie Monster, I'm with ya, there.
~fist bump~
I also wanna one day finish my TOS NEO ship, where the engine pods, like the Iconians, are floating, not physically attached.
I smell ships and warp drives there,
Who's that in the captain's chair?
Who's that throwing party ball flares in my direction?
Mama, this surely is a dream...
Before anyone rants... its been a while since the KDF got some stand alone ships that didn't have Fed/Romulan counterparts.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Oh I have a feeling we will with Discovery ships. Feds won't be getting a counterpart to the BoP. I can see a couple Fed cruisers, maybe a big dreadnaught cruiser, and the Klingons will get the BoP, the so-called D7 prison cruiser, and probably another ship.
We'll just have to wait and see.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Whining has reached a new peak here. (Don't worry, though, I'm sure it'll be exceeded soon.)
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