I don't suppose the Klingons and Federation could acquire Romulan schematics and/or manned ships as part of this exchange program, hmm?
No. If the Scimitar line of warbirds was available to Starfleet characters, it would lower sales of the Vengance (a "premium" ship).
If this were the case (something of which I am not convinced), the difference would perforce be made up in sales of Scimitar ships - they're not free, after all.
On the other hand, it would be kind of cool if my Fed captains, after reaching lvl 11 of course, could then get, say, a Dhalen-class warbird, with its battle cloak...
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hmmm I thought you couldnt unless they bugged that. Cause Tovan is built into the story.
You cannot drop the Tovan candidate, bu you are no longer forced to commission him. IF you skip the tutorial.
That "you cannot because it breaks the game" nonsense was never plausible, and I believe the devs actually did never state that anyway.
Actually, they did. The simple fact you still can't drop him would say it's plausible.
Honestly, simply having the wrong NPC appear in a dialog box counts as "breaking the game". Obviously it's minor, and some might prefer it, but it's still "breaking the game".
It kinda does water down the difference to mere preference. Without knowing what the Jems offer, this decision means Roms are the most efficient choice, bar none. So you either want to play the game in as cold and pragmatic a way as you can, or you actually value flavor and want to have your Fed or KDF crew in their respective factions.
Frankly I'm more concerned about the future prospects of Romulan ship releases, though. Opening the floodgates on faction allied ships means there isn't a reason anymore to make Romulan counterparts to Fed/KDF ships at all.
What's worse, when you think about it from a pure efficiency standpoint, it's a perfectly logical move. They've got four factions now, each thematically requiring their own ships at endgame*. The time to takes to make ships for three factions must already be high. There's no way they'll want to have to do 12-packs of ships for each faction. With allied ships opened up, they can pick and choose - Fed and KDF both get one always, but sometimes they might release a Jem ship as the third, and other times maybe a Rom ship. The pessimist in me suspects, however, that they'll drop Rom ships entirely for at least a year, if not longer, since they'll just be able to use new Fed/KDF ships anyway.
*TOS is a tricky thing, but my rationale, and I suspect Cryptic's as well, is they're just Feds anyway so outside their initial batch of ships, there's no reason to make anything new strictly for them. Jem'Hadar don't have that neat little excuse to avoid making ships in the future, though.
Roms can fly any ship in thier faction now... a T6 Defiant with battle cloak and BOFFs all SRO..
Interesting... I have more or less taken a break from STO over the past 2 weeks so this is news to me. I guess this means my Romulans / Remans can select used T5 and T6 Fed / KDF ships for admiralty.
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hmmm I thought you couldnt unless they bugged that. Cause Tovan is built into the story.
You cannot drop the Tovan candidate, bu you are no longer forced to commission him. IF you skip the tutorial.
That "you cannot because it breaks the game" nonsense was never plausible, and I believe the devs actually did never state that anyway.
Actually, they did. The simple fact you still can't drop him would say it's plausible.
Honestly, simply having the wrong NPC appear in a dialog box counts as "breaking the game". Obviously it's minor, and some might prefer it, but it's still "breaking the game".
No, it's not. It's a cosmetic glitch that affects nothing of import.
Some would say the same of cameras clipping into PC and NPC heads during cutscenes were also a cosmetic glitch, cause there's nothing game breaking about being able to see eyeballs and teeth during a calm conversation on New Romulus.
Always played Romulans myself, since they came out that is. And it won't make me change what ships they fly, as most stick to Romulan ships, other than one which has a lockbox ship. Either way, it'll be nice to have more admiralty ships, seeing as most of my Romulans lack engineering ships.
Warbirds look way better than Federation ships in my own opinion.
And if you look at it from another standpoint..... isn't it silly that the Feds or KDF can "capture"/buy/repurpose just about any alien race's ships (even Undine bioships and Iconian crystal sculptures), but they somehow can't fly a Scimmy/D'd/etc? Or heck, even the other main faction's ships.
Yes, "faction diversity", gameplay, etc. But what rationale is there that a KDF can fly a bioship, an Iconian cruiser, a Cardassian Galor, Elachi, APU, Hirogen, Malon, Vaadwaur, Son'a, Voth, Jem'hadar, Tholian, Sphere Builder, Xindi, Breen (you get the idea).... but can't beg/borrow/steal/salvage/etc a Fed or Rom ship?
...we've certainly left a big enough trail of blasted ship carcasses behind us in space, for some enterprising salvage yard to go into business selling enemy ships.
...hmm, come to think of it, shouldn't the Temporal repair guys come and tap you on the shoulder for cruising around in 31st century ships like the Ent-J?
Answer: stop asking these questions, it's just a game!
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It really does beg the question of the 'faction' purpose doesn't it? They (Cryptic) might as well revisit the faction element of their game; provide each core species with an origin story (of sorts) and then just merge everyone; one faction, one fleet, one purpose.
This completely goes against the dynamics of the Federation though I think? Starfleet allowing a non-Federation faction use of their top range designs, weaponry and various other technologies? Yeah, cause that's likely, isn't it? Why doesn't this work both ways though?
I suspect we all know why this is; the Cardassian species are getting the lazy treatment, and by allowing Fedpublic players and Klingonlic players access to Federation and Klingon ships, they don't need to create any new Republic ships. Yet another finger to the half faction progress.
I'm (unfortunately) glad I'm no longer a STO player.
I am not going to feel any more Rom inclined than I am already (which is roughly "1 of my next 3 toons, if I ever make any, may be Rom") and will play my Feds as Feds and my Roms as Roms, but I still think, despite all "it's not only numbers crunching", "nothing is taken from Feds/KDFs", "Scimi is already the best ship, so why switch", and "it's only an option you can simply ignore", which of course are all correct, I still think it is questionable design to give one race/class/whatever access to all abilities (or ships, in this case) of the other classes without any obvious drawback.
It really does beg the question of the 'faction' purpose doesn't it? They (Cryptic) might as well revisit the faction element of their game; provide each core species with an origin story (of sorts) and then just merge everyone; one faction, one fleet, one purpose.
This completely goes against the dynamics of the Federation though I think? Starfleet allowing a non-Federation faction use of their top range designs, weaponry and various other technologies? Yeah, cause that's likely, isn't it? Why doesn't this work both ways though?
I suspect we all know why this is; the Cardassian species are getting the lazy treatment, and by allowing Fedpublic players and Klingonlic players access to Federation and Klingon ships, they don't need to create any new Republic ships. Yet another finger to the half faction progress.
I'm (unfortunately) glad I'm no longer a STO player.
If you no longer play then your opinion has no value.
*raises hand* I didn't play for more than two years after "Sunrise" because, well, look at my sigpic. It was the Bajoran interceptor that got me to play again. So, bad argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjzk0CyqNEI
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I often wonder why those who no longer play the game continue to troll the forum.
Some hope the game gets better maybe. Others just use it as an outlet to vent frustrations I'm guessing.
This. I keep seeing these "if you hate the game so much why are you still here?" non-arguments, and my answer to them is always the same: I don't hate the game but I think it could be a hell of a lot better if more thought was put into it.
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Oh how incorrect you are. Anyone who has invested, or who still invests in this game - or even people who are thinking about doing have a valid opinion. It may not be one that you agree with, but that's the genius of opinions - they're individually applied, and they don't require other people to value, agree, or disagree with them.
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On the other hand, it would be kind of cool if my Fed captains, after reaching lvl 11 of course, could then get, say, a Dhalen-class warbird, with its battle cloak...
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Frankly I'm more concerned about the future prospects of Romulan ship releases, though. Opening the floodgates on faction allied ships means there isn't a reason anymore to make Romulan counterparts to Fed/KDF ships at all.
What's worse, when you think about it from a pure efficiency standpoint, it's a perfectly logical move. They've got four factions now, each thematically requiring their own ships at endgame*. The time to takes to make ships for three factions must already be high. There's no way they'll want to have to do 12-packs of ships for each faction. With allied ships opened up, they can pick and choose - Fed and KDF both get one always, but sometimes they might release a Jem ship as the third, and other times maybe a Rom ship. The pessimist in me suspects, however, that they'll drop Rom ships entirely for at least a year, if not longer, since they'll just be able to use new Fed/KDF ships anyway.
*TOS is a tricky thing, but my rationale, and I suspect Cryptic's as well, is they're just Feds anyway so outside their initial batch of ships, there's no reason to make anything new strictly for them. Jem'Hadar don't have that neat little excuse to avoid making ships in the future, though.
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Interesting... I have more or less taken a break from STO over the past 2 weeks so this is news to me. I guess this means my Romulans / Remans can select used T5 and T6 Fed / KDF ships for admiralty.
Fun.
Not everyone does number crunching min/max.
Actually, I totally missed that.. thanks.
Warbirds look way better than Federation ships in my own opinion.
Yes, "faction diversity", gameplay, etc. But what rationale is there that a KDF can fly a bioship, an Iconian cruiser, a Cardassian Galor, Elachi, APU, Hirogen, Malon, Vaadwaur, Son'a, Voth, Jem'hadar, Tholian, Sphere Builder, Xindi, Breen (you get the idea).... but can't beg/borrow/steal/salvage/etc a Fed or Rom ship?
...we've certainly left a big enough trail of blasted ship carcasses behind us in space, for some enterprising salvage yard to go into business selling enemy ships.
...hmm, come to think of it, shouldn't the Temporal repair guys come and tap you on the shoulder for cruising around in 31st century ships like the Ent-J?
Answer: stop asking these questions, it's just a game!
YES....when you figure out that the Jem'hadar Faction is more OP.
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This completely goes against the dynamics of the Federation though I think? Starfleet allowing a non-Federation faction use of their top range designs, weaponry and various other technologies? Yeah, cause that's likely, isn't it? Why doesn't this work both ways though?
I suspect we all know why this is; the Cardassian species are getting the lazy treatment, and by allowing Fedpublic players and Klingonlic players access to Federation and Klingon ships, they don't need to create any new Republic ships. Yet another finger to the half faction progress.
I'm (unfortunately) glad I'm no longer a STO player.
I thought many of them were already account unlocks?! May be mistaken here.
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Some hope the game gets better maybe. Others just use it as an outlet to vent frustrations I'm guessing.
This. I keep seeing these "if you hate the game so much why are you still here?" non-arguments, and my answer to them is always the same: I don't hate the game but I think it could be a hell of a lot better if more thought was put into it.
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