Hell... The Borg Cube that reached Earth in First Contact didn't take out as many Federation ships as the one at Wolf 359 did.
not on screen, no...but in the novelization of FC, the federation lost over 300 ships in a days-long running battle from the point where the fleet first engaged the cube (i forget the name of the system, but it began with a T) all the way to sol
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300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish.
Hell... The Borg Cube that reached Earth in First Contact didn't take out as many Federation ships as the one at Wolf 359 did.
not on screen, no...but in the novelization of FC, the federation lost over 300 ships in a days-long running battle from the point where the fleet first engaged the cube (i forget the name of the system, but it began with a T) all the way to sol
The Typhon sector.
Days-long? Unless there's a retcon involved, it should have only been about 3 and a half hours from start to finish.
300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish.
we're talking about a federation who MASSIVELY increased shipbuilding after wolf 359 - they were able to pull together nearly 700 ships from just PARTS of 3 fleets for operation return, and we know from that same episode of DS9 that they had at least 9 fleets, probably a lot more...so they had thousands of ships during the dominion war - losing a few hundred with numbers like those isn't exactly devastating
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I am going to go with no. granted it has been a while, so I am not sure how hard the borg really are in-game.
But much of what it sounds like you are suggesting is either impractical (as in it would probably require a complete retooling of how the game works) or would just make the Borg insane to fight.
Challenge is fine, but when challenge becames a near impossible feat, it is just too much. Best to leave well enough alone.
I will admit the more interesting enemy types are the ones that have more abilities. Fed/Terran being one as they actually have access to not only the same ships as players, but many of the same console powers from those ships. All the escorts have Point Defense, the Armitage has the Torpedo Point Defense (which is frickin' brutal), the command cruisers have their respective platforms, the Vestas have their consoles...
Also Command Cruiser Torp Spreads are nasty.
Other more interesting enemy groups are:
Klingon: Same reason as Fed/Terran
Herald: uses a lot of Intel powers
Vaadwaur: partially because of their blasted anchor
Tzenkethi: directional weakness in shields and lock trajectory
I wouldn't mind seeing NPC Romulan ships getting access to console powers as well as maybe allowing some of the other powers to be useable by other enemy groups to some degree.
Personally I'd like a Borg battlezone say over Vega. Borg are trying to break out and it's up to us to contain them. Nice tie off from the tutorial mission.
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Personally I'd like a Borg battlezone say over Vega. Borg are trying to break out and it's up to us to contain them. Nice tie off from the tutorial mission.
Yeah it's a bit strange that they never continued that story.
You'd think that the battle-hardened alliance would have taken the chance to push the Borg out of Vega by now.
We've destroyed time travel gateways, cured and secured the cure for Borg nano-viruses and we are even helping disconnected and liberated Borg to stay that way, but for some reason Starfleet hasn't considered the recapture of one of its own once succesful colonies to be a worthy goal. It seems.
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I could see a space battlezone maybe where we are sent to investigate activities in a large area of space, where we actually find the Borg have begun to rebuild creating a large station at the center of the battlezone that is still inactive, but protected by a powerful force field. While around the zone are large amounts of derelict vessels from various different races (our own factions, and the many enemy faction) the Borg have collected an begun to assimilate an use to build the main-station, while also vessels they have already assimalated.
The idea of having the different areas populated by a different borgified faction of ships, which might have slight alterations to their styles and visuals that give them a Borg feel would be interesting. Also just the idea that the Borg after their defeat had begun to slowly collect, and integrate/assimilate the wrecks of ships we had fought to evolve/adapt their own capabilities even further sound quite like the Borg.
@asuran14 I think if you're going to add Borg adaptation to space like that, then you'd need to add frequency remodulation to the Omega sets like you have for the ground sets, and perhaps add a frequency remodulation device, similar to the ground one, that can be equiped on ships, so that players can counter Borg adaptation.
Make the Borg more vulnerable to being subnuked, viral attacks and EMP.
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300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish.
we're talking about a federation who MASSIVELY increased shipbuilding after wolf 359 - they were able to pull together nearly 700 ships from just PARTS of 3 fleets for operation return, and we know from that same episode of DS9 that they had at least 9 fleets, probably a lot more...so they had thousands of ships during the dominion war - losing a few hundred with numbers like those isn't exactly devastating
Well at the same time, you might wonder why the Federation needed to pull ships from different fleets anyway - especially in order to be able to recapture the strategically most important station in the quadrant at that time.
It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation.
As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up.
While on the one hand one might argue that ships are drawn from different places because, in-between the battles that are fought, these ships are doing other things and not lying idle around ESD, the fact that there seemed to be no back-up to protect the very core of the Federation shows that Starfleet didn't have as many ships as we might like.
(Also note that there weren't even ships available to protect Earth when the Breen attacked. One admiral tells Sisko that by pulling ships from all different places, Earth was left vulnerable.)
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They need to nerf/revert the TR-116B quite frankly. Originally it only had 20% shield penetration, but that apparently wasn't good enough for a lot of crybabies, so it got overbuffed to 100% shield penetration. Cryptic needs to revert that decision as it completely screwed up the balance of all the ground Borg STF's.
While I've been arguing for this almost since it was released, the TR is no longer a problem I think.
There are tons of other sources that deal shield ignoring damage. And the TR could almost never compete with a good combination of, for instance, multi-target expose and exploit weapons. It was an easy-to-use weapon for players who didn't want to put too much thought into their builds yet still be able to fight the borg effectively but while it may have been game-breaking in the week or so after Delta Rising, this is no longer the case if you ask me.
Its main problem was that it encouraged laziness in large parts of the player population. As the amount of options increased and builds that used more than just one weapon became more effective again, the use of the TR steadily decreased if my observations have been correct. It's been a while since I last saw the inside of Starbase 82, but I don't think the weapon is that popular anymore.
I still use a TR on my engie. Good enough for me while my drones go crazy along with a few mortar launchers depending on procs.
We don't really see the Borg adapt their space weapons in the show. They were just devastating to begin with.
-True but we did see the tractor beam get an upgrade and made into a kinetic beam a shield drain beam capable of rapid fire at multiple targets replacing the plasma beam that we saw the standard cubes using in the series..Along with a faster rate of fire HY torp launcher..Battle of sector 001 reference compared to all other previous encounters..
[*] Would require a major revamp to abilities.
-I agree it would require a revamp to give the borg back its lethal edge..
[*] They already have a unique Boarding Party mechanic. While other enemy groups, and even players, have to deploy shuttles that must travel, Borg just beam right aboard and smack you with the "Assimilate Ship" debuff, which functions exactly like a Boarding Party. Fraks with your cooldowns. They seem to like to whammy me with that all the time. Always having to use Tac Team to clear it.
-This I agree they can beam through shields as seen in Q-Who..
[*] Shield adaptation on top of shield ripping is kinda redundant. I'm regularly having to hull tank anyways. Maybe if they buffed the shield drain on the Borg Tractor Beam to emulate them adaping to the modifications the Enterprise-D did to prevent a lock for a while.
-The borg are capable of adapting their shields as seen in the series And ripping shields apart with their tractor beams (But later we saw the same tractor beam deal a TRIBBLE load of damage to the defiant and many other ships at sector 001 so even they upgraded) and a focused energy charge specifically for shields (TNG)..
-BoBW2 (TNG)..The adapting to the graviton pulse from the D's deflector..After assimilating Picard they had assimilated the knowledge and adapted in alomost no time compared to the time the enterprise had to read it..
-Dark frontiers (VOY)..Assimilation of spiece 100266..The diamond adapted to the phase beams used by the spieces..
Hell... The Borg Cube that reached Earth in First Contact didn't take out as many Federation ships as the one at Wolf 359 did.
not on screen, no...but in the novelization of FC, the federation lost over 300 ships in a days-long running battle from the point where the fleet first engaged the cube (i forget the name of the system, but it began with a T) all the way to sol
As far as I could have searched it threw up 30 out of which 13 were destroyed at sector 001 (If you go through the movie closely) and god knows how many (from the chatter we hear warp core breach, containment loss, hull breachs and the flag ship signalling for re-enforcements, all presumaly at the edge of sector 001 because we hear clearly at the start "They have broken through the defense perimeter which would mean jupiter or mars..) from the Typhon sector *The E was over 3 hrs away from here at max warp) to Earth..Plus remeber the Borg first started the attack on the Ivor Prime federation colony and proceeded to Earth (We can assume logically here, that they assimilated the colony assimilate data about the federation and proceed to earth adapting to the new tech the federation have) resulting is still heavy loss..
300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish.
Not really anywhere in the middle of the dominion war but the begining of it (2373-2375, with the counter offensive beginning in 2374), because the defiant would have been busy coordinating efforts against the dominion and worf was in command of the defiant at sector 001..Also the E was barely a year old (2373) and from novels the E was involved with the dominion conflict in a diplomatic role in 2375, 2 years after sector 001..Also there were over a tousand ships from all 3 factions for the dominion war where a visibly large chunk was federation..
300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish.
we're talking about a federation who MASSIVELY increased shipbuilding after wolf 359 - they were able to pull together nearly 700 ships from just PARTS of 3 fleets for operation return, and we know from that same episode of DS9 that they had at least 9 fleets, probably a lot more...so they had thousands of ships during the dominion war - losing a few hundred with numbers like those isn't exactly devastating
Well at the same time, you might wonder why the Federation needed to pull ships from different fleets anyway - especially in order to be able to recapture the strategically most important station in the quadrant at that time.
It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation.
As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up.
While on the one hand one might argue that ships are drawn from different places because, in-between the battles that are fought, these ships are doing other things and not lying idle around ESD, the fact that there seemed to be no back-up to protect the very core of the Federation shows that Starfleet didn't have as many ships as we might like.
(Also note that there weren't even ships available to protect Earth when the Breen attacked. One admiral tells Sisko that by pulling ships from all different places, Earth was left vulnerable.)
Also note that in the battle of sector 001 we saw the Saber and Norway for the first time..
I've always wished the Borg in game were closer to their on screen strength. Imo a Sphere should be the most we could hope to take on solo, with Cubes being a real challenge for a group and tactical cubes being god-tier boss battles. I should fear the Borg, not swat them like flies.
> @evilmark444 said: > I've always wished the Borg in game were closer to their on screen strength. Imo a Sphere should be the most we could hope to take on solo, with Cubes being a real challenge for a group and tactical cubes being god-tier boss battles. I should fear the Borg, not swat them like flies.
The smaller stuff should be able to swat. Cubes and bigger should be a pain. I mean my tier 6 Defiant can crush them like tin cans. And tac cubes are a bit of a problem but still doable.
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I remember when it was iffy on whether or not your would even get to see the V'ger ship in the Red Alerts. I enjoyed the challenging fight. Just making an Advanced or Elite version of the Red Alert would make me happy.
that would also be a good gauge on if you are ready for the STFs...
It would, indeed.
Now if we could get one of the Devs to notice this thread, we may be able to get the Borg the boost that they need.
I've always wished the Borg in game were closer to their on screen strength. Imo a Sphere should be the most we could hope to take on solo, with Cubes being a real challenge for a group and tactical cubes being god-tier boss battles. I should fear the Borg, not swat them like flies.
I too wish it that way..The probes & spheres can be swat like big TRIBBLE flies..The cube should take a few vessel to take it on and rightly said the tactical cube be like god mode..The diamond in between the sphere and cube but with weaponary equal to the cube..So to sum up...
the problem is that youa re thinking about red alerts and possibly STF. there is a whole arc that deals with the Borg, and an Uber Borg will kill any chance of the average player completeing the mission. if the borg routines can be seperated, then fine. one thing I find irksome is that the red alert borgs , the cubes are easy to kill. i often go for the paired cubes and solo them, yet the spheres in the groups of 5-8 rip me apart ratehr easily. perhaps the cubes could get some sort of scaling resist to the energy type it is in contact with, capping at say, 90%. or the same mechanic as the drones have, adapting. which could spawn a C-store consumable, the ship version of the refrequency device the ground supports have. in fract i would be ok with seeing THOSE go away and be replaced by consumables, with the Omega armor, needing them as charges, say a 10-1 ratio
I am doing the lower level stuff...and noticed this change, also: Spheres being a pain to take out compared to the Cubes. Wonder what is going on with that.
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> @fleetcaptain5#1134 said: > shadowfang240 wrote: » > > rattler2 wrote: » > > 300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish. > > > > > we're talking about a federation who MASSIVELY increased shipbuilding after wolf 359 - they were able to pull together nearly 700 ships from just PARTS of 3 fleets for operation return, and we know from that same episode of DS9 that they had at least 9 fleets, probably a lot more...so they had thousands of ships during the dominion war - losing a few hundred with numbers like those isn't exactly devastating > > > > > Well at the same time, you might wonder why the Federation needed to pull ships from different fleets anyway - especially in order to be able to recapture the strategically most important station in the quadrant at that time. > > It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation. > As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up. > > > While on the one hand one might argue that ships are drawn from different places because, in-between the battles that are fought, these ships are doing other things and not lying idle around ESD, the fact that there seemed to be no back-up to protect the very core of the Federation shows that Starfleet didn't have as many ships as we might like. > > (Also note that there weren't even ships available to protect Earth when the Breen attacked. One admiral tells Sisko that by pulling ships from all different places, Earth was left vulnerable.)
Could be a matter of political gamesmanship, also. That the Federation won't cluster ships around Earth so as to avoid the impression of favoritism.
> @soullessraptor said: > > @fleetcaptain5#1134 said: > > shadowfang240 wrote: » > > > > rattler2 wrote: » > > > > 300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish. > > > > > > > > > > we're talking about a federation who MASSIVELY increased shipbuilding after wolf 359 - they were able to pull together nearly 700 ships from just PARTS of 3 fleets for operation return, and we know from that same episode of DS9 that they had at least 9 fleets, probably a lot more...so they had thousands of ships during the dominion war - losing a few hundred with numbers like those isn't exactly devastating > > > > > > > > > > Well at the same time, you might wonder why the Federation needed to pull ships from different fleets anyway - especially in order to be able to recapture the strategically most important station in the quadrant at that time. > > > > It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation. > > As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up. > > > > > > While on the one hand one might argue that ships are drawn from different places because, in-between the battles that are fought, these ships are doing other things and not lying idle around ESD, the fact that there seemed to be no back-up to protect the very core of the Federation shows that Starfleet didn't have as many ships as we might like. > > > > (Also note that there weren't even ships available to protect Earth when the Breen attacked. One admiral tells Sisko that by pulling ships from all different places, Earth was left vulnerable.) > > Could be a matter of political gamesmanship, also. That the Federation won't cluster ships around Earth so as to avoid the impression of favoritism.
It's not even that. I am sure each member world of they should so choose to has ships in system as a system defense force or have their own local ships.
Most of the shops at wolf 359 and battle sector 001 were likely a mix of ships in other sectors on patrol or other missions or ships brought in that were undergoing maintenance or sector defense.
I mean hell the Defiant was brought in. But I find that a major plot hole unless Defiant was brought home for an overhaul and happened to get tapped for the defense of the system.
Same thing can be seen in the tutorial mission over Vega.
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> @talonxv said: > > @soullessraptor said: > > > @fleetcaptain5#1134 said: > > > shadowfang240 wrote: » > > > > > > rattler2 wrote: » > > > > > > 300? I kinda don't buy that number. That would be an absolutey devastating loss, especially considering they would be in the middle of the Dominion War at the time, and makes the losses at Wolf 359 look like a minor skirmish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're talking about a federation who MASSIVELY increased shipbuilding after wolf 359 - they were able to pull together nearly 700 ships from just PARTS of 3 fleets for operation return, and we know from that same episode of DS9 that they had at least 9 fleets, probably a lot more...so they had thousands of ships during the dominion war - losing a few hundred with numbers like those isn't exactly devastating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well at the same time, you might wonder why the Federation needed to pull ships from different fleets anyway - especially in order to be able to recapture the strategically most important station in the quadrant at that time. > > > > > > It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation. > > > As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up. > > > > > > > > > While on the one hand one might argue that ships are drawn from different places because, in-between the battles that are fought, these ships are doing other things and not lying idle around ESD, the fact that there seemed to be no back-up to protect the very core of the Federation shows that Starfleet didn't have as many ships as we might like. > > > > > > (Also note that there weren't even ships available to protect Earth when the Breen attacked. One admiral tells Sisko that by pulling ships from all different places, Earth was left vulnerable.) > > > > Could be a matter of political gamesmanship, also. That the Federation won't cluster ships around Earth so as to avoid the impression of favoritism. > > It's not even that. I am sure each member world of they should so choose to has ships in system as a system defense force or have their own local ships. > > Most of the shops at wolf 359 and battle sector 001 were likely a mix of ships in other sectors on patrol or other missions or ships brought in that were undergoing maintenance or sector defense. > > I mean hell the Defiant was brought in. But I find that a major plot hole unless Defiant was brought home for an overhaul and happened to get tapped for the defense of the system. > > Same thing can be seen in the tutorial mission over Vega.
Also could be a matter of being able to contact and warp in certain ships as needed. So, they might have needed some expertise the Defiant and her crew possessed.
the defiant probably wasn't especially close to earth, but was called in anyway...after all, the class WAS originally designed to fight the borg, so when a borg attack comes around, you want to test your technologies to see how well they'll actually fare
ironically, the defiant failed spectacularly at borg fighting
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not on screen, no...but in the novelization of FC, the federation lost over 300 ships in a days-long running battle from the point where the fleet first engaged the cube (i forget the name of the system, but it began with a T) all the way to sol
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The Typhon sector.
Days-long? Unless there's a retcon involved, it should have only been about 3 and a half hours from start to finish.
we're talking about a federation who MASSIVELY increased shipbuilding after wolf 359 - they were able to pull together nearly 700 ships from just PARTS of 3 fleets for operation return, and we know from that same episode of DS9 that they had at least 9 fleets, probably a lot more...so they had thousands of ships during the dominion war - losing a few hundred with numbers like those isn't exactly devastating
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But much of what it sounds like you are suggesting is either impractical (as in it would probably require a complete retooling of how the game works) or would just make the Borg insane to fight.
Challenge is fine, but when challenge becames a near impossible feat, it is just too much. Best to leave well enough alone.
Also Command Cruiser Torp Spreads are nasty.
Other more interesting enemy groups are:
I wouldn't mind seeing NPC Romulan ships getting access to console powers as well as maybe allowing some of the other powers to be useable by other enemy groups to some degree.
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Yeah it's a bit strange that they never continued that story.
You'd think that the battle-hardened alliance would have taken the chance to push the Borg out of Vega by now.
We've destroyed time travel gateways, cured and secured the cure for Borg nano-viruses and we are even helping disconnected and liberated Borg to stay that way, but for some reason Starfleet hasn't considered the recapture of one of its own once succesful colonies to be a worthy goal. It seems.
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The idea of having the different areas populated by a different borgified faction of ships, which might have slight alterations to their styles and visuals that give them a Borg feel would be interesting. Also just the idea that the Borg after their defeat had begun to slowly collect, and integrate/assimilate the wrecks of ships we had fought to evolve/adapt their own capabilities even further sound quite like the Borg.
Make the Borg more vulnerable to being subnuked, viral attacks and EMP.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Well at the same time, you might wonder why the Federation needed to pull ships from different fleets anyway - especially in order to be able to recapture the strategically most important station in the quadrant at that time.
It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation.
As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up.
While on the one hand one might argue that ships are drawn from different places because, in-between the battles that are fought, these ships are doing other things and not lying idle around ESD, the fact that there seemed to be no back-up to protect the very core of the Federation shows that Starfleet didn't have as many ships as we might like.
(Also note that there weren't even ships available to protect Earth when the Breen attacked. One admiral tells Sisko that by pulling ships from all different places, Earth was left vulnerable.)
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
I still use a TR on my engie. Good enough for me while my drones go crazy along with a few mortar launchers depending on procs.
-True but we did see the tractor beam get an upgrade and made into a kinetic beam a shield drain beam capable of rapid fire at multiple targets replacing the plasma beam that we saw the standard cubes using in the series..Along with a faster rate of fire HY torp launcher..Battle of sector 001 reference compared to all other previous encounters..
-I agree it would require a revamp to give the borg back its lethal edge..
-This I agree they can beam through shields as seen in Q-Who..
-The borg are capable of adapting their shields as seen in the series And ripping shields apart with their tractor beams (But later we saw the same tractor beam deal a TRIBBLE load of damage to the defiant and many other ships at sector 001 so even they upgraded) and a focused energy charge specifically for shields (TNG)..
-BoBW2 (TNG)..The adapting to the graviton pulse from the D's deflector..After assimilating Picard they had assimilated the knowledge and adapted in alomost no time compared to the time the enterprise had to read it..
-Dark frontiers (VOY)..Assimilation of spiece 100266..The diamond adapted to the phase beams used by the spieces..
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Jean-Uss Seratoga Ravenna (LVL 60 FED Delta ENG) UC/R MKVI Bajoran Escort (April 2018)
Dubsa-RRW Mnaudh (LVL 50 FED allied ROM Delta ENG) Warbird (May 2018)
Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
As far as I could have searched it threw up 30 out of which 13 were destroyed at sector 001 (If you go through the movie closely) and god knows how many (from the chatter we hear warp core breach, containment loss, hull breachs and the flag ship signalling for re-enforcements, all presumaly at the edge of sector 001 because we hear clearly at the start "They have broken through the defense perimeter which would mean jupiter or mars..) from the Typhon sector *The E was over 3 hrs away from here at max warp) to Earth..Plus remeber the Borg first started the attack on the Ivor Prime federation colony and proceeded to Earth (We can assume logically here, that they assimilated the colony assimilate data about the federation and proceed to earth adapting to the new tech the federation have) resulting is still heavy loss..
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Jean-Uss Seratoga Ravenna (LVL 60 FED Delta ENG) UC/R MKVI Bajoran Escort (April 2018)
Dubsa-RRW Mnaudh (LVL 50 FED allied ROM Delta ENG) Warbird (May 2018)
Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
Not really anywhere in the middle of the dominion war but the begining of it (2373-2375, with the counter offensive beginning in 2374), because the defiant would have been busy coordinating efforts against the dominion and worf was in command of the defiant at sector 001..Also the E was barely a year old (2373) and from novels the E was involved with the dominion conflict in a diplomatic role in 2375, 2 years after sector 001..Also there were over a tousand ships from all 3 factions for the dominion war where a visibly large chunk was federation..
Also note that in the battle of sector 001 we saw the Saber and Norway for the first time..
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Jean-Uss Seratoga Ravenna (LVL 60 FED Delta ENG) UC/R MKVI Bajoran Escort (April 2018)
Dubsa-RRW Mnaudh (LVL 50 FED allied ROM Delta ENG) Warbird (May 2018)
Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
> I've always wished the Borg in game were closer to their on screen strength. Imo a Sphere should be the most we could hope to take on solo, with Cubes being a real challenge for a group and tactical cubes being god-tier boss battles. I should fear the Borg, not swat them like flies.
The smaller stuff should be able to swat. Cubes and bigger should be a pain. I mean my tier 6 Defiant can crush them like tin cans. And tac cubes are a bit of a problem but still doable.
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It would, indeed.
Now if we could get one of the Devs to notice this thread, we may be able to get the Borg the boost that they need.
I too wish it that way..The probes & spheres can be swat like big TRIBBLE flies..The cube should take a few vessel to take it on and rightly said the tactical cube be like god mode..The diamond in between the sphere and cube but with weaponary equal to the cube..So to sum up...
Probe -> Sphere -> Diamond -> Cube ->Tactical Cube..
Difficulty increasing from swat like a fly to shitting in pants..With increasing number of ships to take on..
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Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
I am doing the lower level stuff...and noticed this change, also: Spheres being a pain to take out compared to the Cubes. Wonder what is going on with that.
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> It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation.
> As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up.
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Could be a matter of political gamesmanship, also. That the Federation won't cluster ships around Earth so as to avoid the impression of favoritism.
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> > As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up.
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> Could be a matter of political gamesmanship, also. That the Federation won't cluster ships around Earth so as to avoid the impression of favoritism.
It's not even that. I am sure each member world of they should so choose to has ships in system as a system defense force or have their own local ships.
Most of the shops at wolf 359 and battle sector 001 were likely a mix of ships in other sectors on patrol or other missions or ships brought in that were undergoing maintenance or sector defense.
I mean hell the Defiant was brought in. But I find that a major plot hole unless Defiant was brought home for an overhaul and happened to get tapped for the defense of the system.
Same thing can be seen in the tutorial mission over Vega.
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> > > It indicates a lack of freely available ships, rather than there being plenty of them. The same applies to the Battle of sector 001: ships had to be brought in from different places to meet in the Typhon sector - just to be able to defend the core of the Federation.
> > > As if that isn't bad enough, once the cube reached Earth, there's little evidence of there being ships present to support the damaged ships that had been fighting the cube on its way to the capital of the entire Federation. And then the defence would still have failed anyway, had a ship that was ordered to stay away not shown up.
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> > > While on the one hand one might argue that ships are drawn from different places because, in-between the battles that are fought, these ships are doing other things and not lying idle around ESD, the fact that there seemed to be no back-up to protect the very core of the Federation shows that Starfleet didn't have as many ships as we might like.
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> > > (Also note that there weren't even ships available to protect Earth when the Breen attacked. One admiral tells Sisko that by pulling ships from all different places, Earth was left vulnerable.)
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> > Could be a matter of political gamesmanship, also. That the Federation won't cluster ships around Earth so as to avoid the impression of favoritism.
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> It's not even that. I am sure each member world of they should so choose to has ships in system as a system defense force or have their own local ships.
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> Most of the shops at wolf 359 and battle sector 001 were likely a mix of ships in other sectors on patrol or other missions or ships brought in that were undergoing maintenance or sector defense.
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> I mean hell the Defiant was brought in. But I find that a major plot hole unless Defiant was brought home for an overhaul and happened to get tapped for the defense of the system.
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> Same thing can be seen in the tutorial mission over Vega.
Also could be a matter of being able to contact and warp in certain ships as needed. So, they might have needed some expertise the Defiant and her crew possessed.
ironically, the defiant failed spectacularly at borg fighting
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