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Pre TOS Enterprise VS Pilot Enterprise MAJOR SPOILER for Season Finally Of Discovery!! you been Worn
ryuranger
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Hay I know there is gonna be a lot f Trekkers out there are gonna be doing the hole Thing about the Enterprise from Discovery's Season Final but I come to thinking is the Pilot Enterprise Really Cannon? We Know that before James Kirk took command in 2266 the Enterprise went under a 3 year Refit were everything was upgraded so this might be the Official Enterprise before TOS witch was a Refit matter in fact when Star Trek VI was being planned there was a Star Trek XI Prequel that almost happen and the Enterprise was SO Different memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_First_Adventure matter in fact it looked like the NX-01 and this was when GENE was alive
and this was planned too YEARS before Star Trek XI So again is the Pilot Enterprise Cannon and the answer is NO its not Cannon it was a prototype model that they used for the pilot for Star Trek in the 1960's that used for the "Cage" and "Where No Man as Gone Before" and the fact that they kept the Enterprise 70% of the TOS era says something the main differences here is the colour of the hall 10% Pylons 5% Nesscel 5% and saucer section 10% and the Refit after Pikes second 5 year mission will make up the remaining 30% so yeah Trekkers shut the F up man The Pilot is a Prototype nothing more nothing else they never should that model again through out Star Trek history Not even TNG Naked Time Re-mastered So yeah
and this was planned too YEARS before Star Trek XI So again is the Pilot Enterprise Cannon and the answer is NO its not Cannon it was a prototype model that they used for the pilot for Star Trek in the 1960's that used for the "Cage" and "Where No Man as Gone Before" and the fact that they kept the Enterprise 70% of the TOS era says something the main differences here is the colour of the hall 10% Pylons 5% Nesscel 5% and saucer section 10% and the Refit after Pikes second 5 year mission will make up the remaining 30% so yeah Trekkers shut the F up man The Pilot is a Prototype nothing more nothing else they never should that model again through out Star Trek history Not even TNG Naked Time Re-mastered So yeah May the Shwartz Be With You
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Wish they kept the smooth, cream color of the TOS.
Let's hope we see some Cage elements in the bridge, and uniforms.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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I am slightly disappointed that the USS Defiant was never shown in Discovery since the wireframe model of it looked slightly different from the Enterprise. The USS Defiant and USS Enterprise are both Constitution class starships so they should look the same unless the Mirror Universe decided to do some alterations on it.
I am even more disappointed in Into a Mirror Darkly where the primitive ISS Enterprise looks more advanced than the USS Defiant. They could have at least updated the USS Defiant to fit with 21st Century aesthetics.
Well... the Defiant had been in the Mirror Universe for about 100 years so... it makes sense that they would have modified the ship over time.
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Because in the case of Enterprise, it is weird having a ship from the future looking less advanced than a 22nd Century ship. For Discovery, the style of all new Federation ships should be similar. For Enterprise, it felt like the Federation decided to have a retro phase instead of the realistic reason of not being able to produce the Enterprise that they want. It would be interesting to see what Gene Roddenberry and the other creators of Star Trek would create if they had the technology of today. Would the Enterprise even exist with its classic saucer and nacelle look?
The Defiant looked more advanced than the NX. The NX is all gnarly and covered in kibble, and clunky in comparison.
I think so. JEfferies had the idea that with advanced materials and techniques, a ship can have the slender, spindly build the connie has. This is not 'ape brain' 20th century technology. I really don't get the 'realistic' bit. Like someone before said that the new Star Wars stuff....the TIE fighters kept the same "DISCO!" look, and looked quite fine on screen.
And I said it before, smooth, sleek, slender, all the stuff like that is how an advanced ship would look.....and not something looking like a shoe box covered with equipment like a cactus.
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Hell, unlike TOS or the nineties trio show that dare to make up somthing unusual or new design that will become iconic. DSC is mostly going after whatever is popular today.
Speaking of which, TOS bridges, for all the jelly button cardbox wall awful terrible offensive horrible 60-ness. It is designed so throughly, budget not withtanding, that even the angle of the console and chairs etc is eliberaty. And made by many actual engineers or ex-military staff.
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I agree with you on that remember they were Low budget when The Cage was being Developed not only that you can see that a lot of the chars looked like Office Chairs and Chris Monitor looked like a 60's TV Set in his Cabin, so they may do some updates in the inside of the ship as well but try to kept it the overall look from the Original that seen in the Cage Remember people the Cage was created in 1964 and 90% of the Tech we have no Did not excited then
No point in arguing with them. While I agree with you, there are people who will downright attack others who don't agree that it absolutely, positively MUST, without fail, look EXACTLY the same as it did in TOS, right down the the placement of the jellybean buttons. If they are off by half an inch the pitchforks come out.
People get THAT vicious, and use that as a measuring stick to judge who is a "True Fan" and who isn't. And they take that stick and beat people over the head with it.
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Uh no. No fan, new or old, would accept that. Visual style is one thing. Degrading a canon, established character like that crosses a red line so far you can't even SEE the line anymore.
Then, respectfully, you must not think very highly of Trek Fans in any capacity.
Many are accepting of new things. Some... seem to enjoy bashing anything that doesn't fit their percieved vision of Star Trek, and go around "defending the faith" by attacking anyone who doesn't agree with them and worships "Saint Roddenberry". Hell... I know of someone who doesn't like anything that Roddenberry didn't have a DIRECT hand in, thus disregarding TNG season 3 through to today as non canon garbage. Even the very highly regarded Deep Space Nine.
A series based in the 23rd Century filmed in the 21st century is gonna look lightyears better than one filmed in the 1960s. There's no getting around it. If you're going to try and attract new viewers, making everything look like it belongs in the 1960s is not the way to go. Now... they can stay true to the LAYOUT of say, the Enterprise bridge, but maybe replace some of the jellybean buttons and displays with Discovery style touchscreens and displays will not only work for fans of the classic series, and maintain some of the classic look, but also appeal to a new generation who wants to see something that does look futuristic by TODAY'S standards. There is a difference between staying true to the spirit of a franchise, and frankly just being Anal about details.
The setting does not mean we need to lower our standards to the 1960s era to enjoy a good story set in a universe we all know and love. While it may work for some, it does NOT work for all. So visual updates will happen from time to time. What truely matters, is maintaining the spirit of the franchise. Tribute episodes are one thing. An entire series is another.
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You realise that this statement works exactly for "both sides" of this, right? Visual updates can be subtle, as has been done with previous faithful recreations of the sets and I think nobody would really mind having touchscreens in the TOS consoles. But just as you accuse hypothetical others of going crazy when things are changed, can we assume you would go equally crazy if the original look was recreated, crying "jellybeans!" and get out the pitchforks?
Putting aside all hyperbole for a moment, when you have a long running franchise with established, iconic looks that even persist outside of the fan base it is a weird take to completely change all of that for a current flavour. In my opinion, if they thought they cannot depict what they wanted while keeping visual integrity in tact then they should have decided on another idea. For instance, they went to that specific time but literally kept nothing of that time "alive" - the entirety of Discovery would have worked completely unaffected in the 25th or 26th century. Why go to the 23rd and "update" it? It makes no sense whatsoever. And that is what might upset people.
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Literally every aspect other than the "Potato Peeler" pylons, bridge window, and extended shuttle deck have been influenced by previous incarnations of the design, being The Cage, Series, movie refit, and even one detail from the Kelvin Timeline (size of the neck). There are even at least two details taken from the NX class, which is a nice tie in to "previous" ship design.
Essentially its a fusion of everything we know.
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At least it is more consistant design wise than when we saw the Kelvin Enterprise compared to the rest of the fleet in '09. The Kelvin Connie was a COMPLETE contrast in style to the rest of the ships. Discovery's Enterprise visually fits in with everything else we have seen.
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If they just told up The Cage is non-canon and gave the Klingons hair (and non-melted ears) all of my problems would vanish.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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