Simple. The NX is all gnarly, covered in greebles and kibble... we even saw a few times crew having to go outside the ship to fix things. Everyone on the connie is inside. Also, the Connie is smooth, sleek, simple. Heck, even Drexler himself stated something similar. And as Starfleet's NX was mainly a human made only ship....the connie, made a century later, is the mix of various races' technology...and materials and techniques will be able to make a ship with the connie's slender features, and yet be mega strong.
None of the bolded makes a difference to how a ship looks, as that is the discussion.
Needless to say, maybe (during the TOS run) they simply didn't have the budget to show people working on the outside of the ship?
Connie scragged the NX, and several others in a Mirror Darkly......and the Connie even withstood a point blank nuclear explosion, with minimum damage.
The Constitution (USS Defiant) in the Mirror Universe was a good few years more advanced than the Terran ships of the time, so it's hardly a surprise that she bested them!
Which of the two ships has the giant satellite dish? That's the one I think looks dated.
It mostly always comes down to this for me. The giant satellite dish tells me the Constitution is dated.
The NX-01 still has a tiny dish, but also some weird bluish glowing thing behind it, which is some kind advanced magitech things that are part of what make spaceships go.
The lack of dtails on the Connie also always hurts, because for me it doesn't signal "smooth surfaces for better integration", it just says: "More detail work would be cost-prohibitive." The bottom ship image has still plenty of details on its model, look a the detail of the rear or the front, or a neat little detail like those small dark spherical things that serve who knows what purpose. You don't know what it does, but it must serve some advanced function to be put there.
(Ironically, the part of the Connie that might be the best detailed here is actually also the thing that makes it look so anachronistic - the deflector dish. I was really amazed when I got to study the STO Connie model a bit closer.)
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Personally, I find this to be more futuristic than any Star Trek ship.
It is the aesthetic preference of complexity vs. simplicity. Taking simplicity to the extreme would end up with a white sphere for a ship. However, Star Trek has force fields and holograms to influence ship design. So if a 25th Century Star Trek is ever done, then the Starfleet ships might end up looking more like Iconian ships than standard Starfleet ships. You can either have floating ship parts by using force fields to hold them in place or the ship parts are actually holographic projections. There is not much difference between The Doctor and a holographic ship part besides the size and power requirements.
Starfleet doesn't follow the aesthetic preference of simplicity. Every Starfleet ship after TOS becomes more and more complex.
To a certain degree, the more complex the ship looks, the cooler it looks. Coolness affects the marketability of the ship and that is what truly matters.
Personally, I find this to be more futuristic than any Star Trek ship.
It is the aesthetic preference of complexity vs. simplicity. Taking simplicity to the extreme would end up with a white sphere for a ship. However, Star Trek has force fields and holograms to influence ship design. So if a 25th Century Star Trek is ever done, then the Starfleet ships might end up looking more like Iconian ships than standard Starfleet ships. You can either have floating ship parts by using force fields to hold them in place or the ship parts are actually holographic projections. There is not much difference between The Doctor and a holographic ship part besides the size and power requirements.
Starfleet doesn't follow the aesthetic preference of simplicity. Every Starfleet ship after TOS becomes more and more complex.
To a certain degree, the more complex the ship looks, the cooler it looks. Coolness affects the marketability of the ship and that is what truly matters.
To me, the connie has the 'coolness factor as well', sorry.
let's see... tighter seams between hull plate joins, fewer questionable protrusions, tighter overall bodywork, smoother lines...Generally more advanced things have fewer bits sticking off of them, since the bits are more likely to be smaller and better integrated. There's also greater interior volume, better layout for mission requirements...
I mean, consider this:
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Which one is more "advanced looking"?
In this instance, the bottom one, obviously, but we're apparently all forgetting here that the TOS Constitution was made with simplicity in mind; not because they (the producers) wanted it to look smooth and advanced, but because it was far easier for them to create a smooth model than it was for them at the time to make models of ships with, as you put it, protrusions. Compare the advance Klingon (or even Romulan) ships to their TOS counterparts; they have protrusions and aren't all that smooth, yet they are more advanced. Even the likes of the Defiant, Excelsior, Akira and Intrepid have various protrusions and yet they're all much more advanced than your TOS Constitution.
Personally, I find this to be more futuristic than any Star Trek ship.
It is the aesthetic preference of complexity vs. simplicity. Taking simplicity to the extreme would end up with a white sphere for a ship. However, Star Trek has force fields and holograms to influence ship design. So if a 25th Century Star Trek is ever done, then the Starfleet ships might end up looking more like Iconian ships than standard Starfleet ships. You can either have floating ship parts by using force fields to hold them in place or the ship parts are actually holographic projections. There is not much difference between The Doctor and a holographic ship part besides the size and power requirements.
Starfleet doesn't follow the aesthetic preference of simplicity. Every Starfleet ship after TOS becomes more and more complex.
To a certain degree, the more complex the ship looks, the cooler it looks. Coolness affects the marketability of the ship and that is what truly matters.
To me, the connie has the 'coolness factor as well', sorry.
Which is why I said "To a certain degree, the more complex the ship looks, the cooler it looks." Complexity is not the only factor that matters for coolness, but people generally prefer some complexity to their ship rather than having a smooth white sphere. If Gene Roddenberry really wanted to save money, then he could have used Ping Pong balls.
The Sovereign is oddles more complex in shape and style than the Conni. It's also visually more advanced by far. So sleek and advanced looking. No stupid straight flimsy looking pylons or neck. No childishly underdesgined nacelles or saucer. Woo greebly and infinitely futuristically superior to the Conni in every conceivable way.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I hate whomever brought up the "advanced" debate. That never mattered to me, I like the TOS aesthetics a lot, I also like TNG ones. Both are future space ships and "advanced" enough. I simply care for consistency. So long TOS was recreated, now it was altered and that's dumb. Either you respect what came before OR you make no squealing prequel...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The Sovereign is oddles more complex in shape and style than the Conni. It's also visually more advanced by far. So sleek and advanced looking. No stupid straight flimsy looking pylons or neck. No childishly underdesgined nacelles or saucer. Woo greebly and infinitely futuristically superior to the Conni in every conceivable way.
Personally, I find it rather garish. Like those expensive cars bought by dudes trying to make up for some sort of, shall we say, short comings?
I hate whomever brought up the "advanced" debate. That never mattered to me, I like the TOS aesthetics a lot, I also like TNG ones. Both are future space ships and "advanced" enough. I simply care for consistency. So long TOS was recreated, now it was altered and that's dumb. Either you respect what came before OR you make no squealing prequel...
Yep. Rogue One and even Force Awakens, one a prequel, the other a sequel faithfully kept the "DISCO!" 70's look going.....even the Falchon's Atari targeting computer graphics.
Next thing you know, we'll see Wolverine with blonde hair, a peg leg and John Inman voice in his next prequel.
I hate whomever brought up the "advanced" debate. That never mattered to me, I like the TOS aesthetics a lot, I also like TNG ones. Both are future space ships and "advanced" enough. I simply care for consistency. So long TOS was recreated, now it was altered and that's dumb. Either you respect what came before OR you make no squealing prequel...
Yep. Rogue One and even Force Awakens, one a prequel, the other a sequel faithfully kept the "DISCO!" 70's look going.....even the Falchon's Atari targeting computer graphics.
Next thing you know, we'll see Wolverine with blonde hair, a peg leg and John Inman voice in his next prequel.
To be fair, the OT Star Wars tech never looked as dated as TOS Star Trek tech.
I hate whomever brought up the "advanced" debate. That never mattered to me, I like the TOS aesthetics a lot, I also like TNG ones. Both are future space ships and "advanced" enough. I simply care for consistency. So long TOS was recreated, now it was altered and that's dumb. Either you respect what came before OR you make no squealing prequel...
TOS has not been altered. This is set prior to TOS.
The Sovereign is oddles more complex in shape and style than the Conni. It's also visually more advanced by far. So sleek and advanced looking. No stupid straight flimsy looking pylons or neck. No childishly underdesgined nacelles or saucer. Woo greebly and infinitely futuristically superior to the Conni in every conceivable way.
Personally, I find it rather garish. Like those expensive cars bought by dudes trying to make up for some sort of, shall we say, short comings?
The Galaxy and Connie are far nicer to me.
Of course you think that. You have a very one track mind and an obligation to be a contrarian. It makes you very easy to predict.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I hate whomever brought up the "advanced" debate. That never mattered to me, I like the TOS aesthetics a lot, I also like TNG ones. Both are future space ships and "advanced" enough. I simply care for consistency. So long TOS was recreated, now it was altered and that's dumb. Either you respect what came before OR you make no squealing prequel...
Yep. Rogue One and even Force Awakens, one a prequel, the other a sequel faithfully kept the "DISCO!" 70's look going.....even the Falchon's Atari targeting computer graphics.
Next thing you know, we'll see Wolverine with blonde hair, a peg leg and John Inman voice in his next prequel.
To be fair, the OT Star Wars tech never looked as dated as TOS Star Trek tech.
Star Wars looks more like something Tim Allen or Red Green makes.
WOW I love how people go saying that NX 01 is More advance then the Original Enterprise was so lets do NX-01 VS NCC 1701
1 Monitors The Enterprise 1701 had Monitors through out the Bridge and Engineering that were bedded inside the Ships hall NX 01 and Discovery The Panels and Monitors were out and separate of the Ships hall and was less Automated like 1701
02 Transporters This is an ovise one the Transporters in the 1701 were more advance then both NX 01 and Disco manly of the Long Range Transporter and what will be my next point
03 Stronger Sensors The Enterprise NX 01 used a Sensors View Screen while the Discovery Uses a Window one and the Kirk Enterprise 1701 TOS is Sensor View Screen The Sensors may not been Strong Enough for Discovery to render constant view of the Stars while Enterprise 1701 and NX 01 Can This one is only a Theory
04 Food Replication The Food Replication on the NX 01 is vary limited to liquids from ICE to HOT while The Discovery and Enterprise actually have Food replication Stronger Versions to that of 24th Century witch is Transporter base Replication while TOS and Discovery uses a Protein reassembly based (Using Wast)
05 WARP DRIVE: Last but not Least WARP DRIVE the NX 01 is Warp 4.5 Max While the Enterprise and Discovery is 7 but the Enterprise with her upgraded Engines and Warp Core in 2266 is Warp 9 Speed but this is under the old Scale
I can go on and on how 2266 1701 is more advance then the 2258 and NX-01 but I just wanna give you an example and just shut the TRIBBLE up about it
I don't believe anyone has said the NX-01 has more advanced tech, they are merely saying that it looks more advanced because it had modern production techniques and a higher budget.
I don't believe anyone has said the NX-01 has more advanced tech, they are merely saying that it looks more advanced because it had modern production techniques and a higher budget.
The NX does have more advanced computer display tech than the TOS Enterprise. This could be explained through the highly reasonable excuse of the limited technology available in the 1960s or the more interesting theory of Enterprise and Discovery not being in the same timeline as TOS. After all, with the amount of time travel in Star Trek, the first few episodes of TOS is not in the same timeline as the end of Nemesis. So the timeline shown in Enterprise is the result of Scotty giving Transparent Aluminum to some American country in the 1980s and Chronowerx causing a technological revolution in the 1990s to influence how the look of technology has changed in Enterprise. Then there is all the time travel in Enterprise with the Temporal Cold War that further changed the timeline.
TOS has not been altered. This is set prior to TOS.
True, however that goes with the implications that the starships, uniforms and complete interior in Starfleet get complete structural refits every other year. Which is canonically true, but it's so silly
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I don't believe anyone has said the NX-01 has more advanced tech, they are merely saying that it looks more advanced because it had modern production techniques and a higher budget.
I don't believe anyone has said the NX-01 has more advanced tech, they are merely saying that it looks more advanced because it had modern production techniques and a higher budget.
Does not look more advanced to me.
There are of course in-universe clous one could headcanon as a show of technological advancement. For istance, the NX has handles attached to the hallways and bridge walls like a NASA spacecraft so it can be navigated in zero gravity. That makes sense for a star ship to have in the event of artificial gravity failing. TOS connie and the following ships do not have that, showing that the technology advanced to the point that people are not worried that artificial gravity would fail. Like, ever. It happened at least in TAS, but it seems to be such a freak occurence that no precautions need to be taken. That is something I'd take as a hint on more advanced technology. The other clou, of course, is TOS is set more than a century after ENT, so assuming it is technologically less advanced makes no sense, the audience simply thinks that because of the production involved.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I don't believe anyone has said the NX-01 has more advanced tech, they are merely saying that it looks more advanced because it had modern production techniques and a higher budget.
Does not look more advanced to me.
There are of course in-universe clous one could headcanon as a show of technological advancement. For istance, the NX has handles attached to the hallways and bridge walls like a NASA spacecraft so it can be navigated in zero gravity. That makes sense for a star ship to have in the event of artificial gravity failing. TOS connie and the following ships do not have that, showing that the technology advanced to the point that people are not worried that artificial gravity would fail. Like, ever. It happened at least in TAS, but it seems to be such a freak occurence that no precautions need to be taken. That is something I'd take as a hint on more advanced technology. The other clou, of course, is TOS is set more than a century after ENT, so assuming it is technologically less advanced makes no sense, the audience simply thinks that because of the production involved.
With all those prehistoric NASA stuffs like handles and bridge walks, that shows the technology is not too dependable.
Look at TOS and TNG, as you mentioned, no artificial gravity loss, and the Yamato was compromised because a far MORE advanced technology effected it. More advanced will be a lot simpler to use. My chica's ipad has just 2 buttons it on, and it' smooth as glass. And who's to say when we see and don't see on TOS consoles...those black panels might have deep holography, or those lil blinkies tell someone via their patterns.
I don't believe anyone has said the NX-01 has more advanced tech, they are merely saying that it looks more advanced because it had modern production techniques and a higher budget.
Does not look more advanced to me.
The other clou, of course, is TOS is set more than a century after ENT, so assuming it is technologically less advanced makes no sense, the audience simply thinks that because of the production involved.
Except for the fact that DS9 and Enterprise made it canon that the Klingons actually looked like TOS Klingons instead of it being because of the production involved.
So if the TOS Klingon look is canon and not a result of production involved, then what else from TOS is canon and not a result of production involved? Will the Enterprise Discovery go through a refit to look like the TOS Enterprise?
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So if the TOS Klingon look is canon and not a result of production involved, then what else from TOS is canon and not a result of production involved? Will the Enterprise Discovery go through a refit to look like the TOS Enterprise?
Entirely possible. According to real world stuff... test audiences didn't like the spikes on the Enterprise nacelles. Hence why they were removed. The only retcon I can see is The Cage style Enterprise being turned into what we saw in Discovery, and later refit into what we see in TOS. Apparently in a Discovery novel, they explained that the Discovery style uniforms were service wide, except for aboard Connies. They got the sweater style. And we know in canon that Starfleet has had two different style uniforms in service at one time before. Most notably during TNG and DS9 until they adopted the First Contact style. Then we take into account Voyager was using an older style even after reestablishing contact with Starfleet while lost in the Delta Quadrant.
As for the Klingons... Its plausible that not every Klingon was infected by the Augment Virus. And the Discovery style Klingons we see are an entirely seperate, and unaffected ethnic group. After the Augment Virus hit, this ethnic group saw it as a sign of weakness and made a power play. Eventually the smooth heads would win back power in time for TOS, then by TMP, they've reversed the effects of the Augment Virus, bringing back the Klingons we know from TMP era and TNG.
The ethnic group argument is actually plausible. I mean just look at how diverse human ethnic groups are. European features are different from Asian, which is also different from African, which is different from Native American...
Who's to say that alien species don't take the ethnic differences to a larger extreme than humans. I mean we have two distinct styles of Andorians without any explanation why some have antennae in the middle of their heads vs some with them in the front and actually mobile. And then we have the smooth head Romulans vs the TNG style Romulans. No explanation there.
So right now my personal headcanon is Ethnic Diversity.
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That was THE WHOLE JOKE of that scene. There is no reason, they just look different because reasons.
Still viable though. I mean the Klingons would see it as a pretty low point in their history, so Worf's statement of "We don't talk about it" is still valid.
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Except for the fact that DS9 and Enterprise made it canon that the Klingons actually looked like TOS Klingons instead of it being because of the production involved.
Except the whole point of that scene was Bashir and O'brian **** out about Klingons looking different like the fans had, only for Worf to say "We don't talk about it" specifically BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THE CHANGE, and it was just due to production reasons that they changed.
That was THE WHOLE JOKE of that scene. There is no reason, they just look different because reasons.
And THERE WAS NO REASON TO EXPLAIN IT. Enterprise did the Klingon Augment virus story and ruined the joke. I would love to see someone use the DS9 scene, but switch the TOS Klingons with Discovery Klingons since it works so perfectly.
Except for the fact that DS9 and Enterprise made it canon that the Klingons actually looked like TOS Klingons instead of it being because of the production involved.
Except the whole point of that scene was Bashir and O'brian **** out about Klingons looking different like the fans had, only for Worf to say "We don't talk about it" specifically BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THE CHANGE, and it was just due to production reasons that they changed.
That was THE WHOLE JOKE of that scene. There is no reason, they just look different because reasons.
And THERE WAS NO REASON TO EXPLAIN IT. Enterprise did the Klingon Augment virus story and ruined the joke. I would love to see someone use the DS9 scene, but switch the TOS Klingons with Discovery Klingons since it works so perfectly.
I personally loved that Enterprise explained it. It had always bothered me how human the TOS Klingons looked and the DS9 joke had done nothing to fix that for me. TOS episodes that feature Klingons are now bearable for me to watch, where as when I was a kid I just laughed at the Klingons and changed the channel. I grew up with TNG.
Except for the fact that DS9 and Enterprise made it canon that the Klingons actually looked like TOS Klingons instead of it being because of the production involved.
Except the whole point of that scene was Bashir and O'brian **** out about Klingons looking different like the fans had, only for Worf to say "We don't talk about it" specifically BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THE CHANGE, and it was just due to production reasons that they changed.
That was THE WHOLE JOKE of that scene. There is no reason, they just look different because reasons.
And THERE WAS NO REASON TO EXPLAIN IT. Enterprise did the Klingon Augment virus story and ruined the joke. I would love to see someone use the DS9 scene, but switch the TOS Klingons with Discovery Klingons since it works so perfectly.
I personally loved that Enterprise explained it. It had always bothered me how human the TOS Klingons looked and the DS9 joke had done nothing to fix that for me. TOS episodes that feature Klingons are now bearable for me to watch, where as when I was a kid I just laughed at the Klingons and changed the channel. I grew up with TNG.
There was no need to call out the TOS Klingons. Usually, ships, alien races, and costumes improve with changes to technology. The simple explanation of the 1960s wasn't able to do forehead ridges for Klingons or animated antennas for Andorians would have been sufficient.
With Into Darkness, we can easily tell that they were Klingons based on the depiction of Klingons from Enterprise, TNG, DS9, and Voyager. The Klingon Augment virus gives explanation why there are some Klingons that looked human in TOS. Which is not the case for Discovery Klingons. There is absolutely no explanation for why Klingons look like that. How did the Klingons in Enterprise turn into the Klingons in Discovery, and then back to their regular look? If Discovery introduced the Discovery Klingons as a completely new race, then it would be far easier to accept.
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The Klingon Augment virus gives explanation why there are some Klingons that looked human in TOS. Which is not the case for Discovery Klingons. There is absolutely no explanation for why Klingons look like that. How did the Klingons in Enterprise turn into the Klingons in Discovery, and then back to their regular look? If Discovery introduced the Discovery Klingons as a completely new race, then it would be far easier to accept.
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I'll leave that one up to you, bloodhound.
It mostly always comes down to this for me. The giant satellite dish tells me the Constitution is dated.
The NX-01 still has a tiny dish, but also some weird bluish glowing thing behind it, which is some kind advanced magitech things that are part of what make spaceships go.
The lack of dtails on the Connie also always hurts, because for me it doesn't signal "smooth surfaces for better integration", it just says: "More detail work would be cost-prohibitive." The bottom ship image has still plenty of details on its model, look a the detail of the rear or the front, or a neat little detail like those small dark spherical things that serve who knows what purpose. You don't know what it does, but it must serve some advanced function to be put there.
(Ironically, the part of the Connie that might be the best detailed here is actually also the thing that makes it look so anachronistic - the deflector dish. I was really amazed when I got to study the STO Connie model a bit closer.)
It is the aesthetic preference of complexity vs. simplicity. Taking simplicity to the extreme would end up with a white sphere for a ship. However, Star Trek has force fields and holograms to influence ship design. So if a 25th Century Star Trek is ever done, then the Starfleet ships might end up looking more like Iconian ships than standard Starfleet ships. You can either have floating ship parts by using force fields to hold them in place or the ship parts are actually holographic projections. There is not much difference between The Doctor and a holographic ship part besides the size and power requirements.
Starfleet doesn't follow the aesthetic preference of simplicity. Every Starfleet ship after TOS becomes more and more complex.
To a certain degree, the more complex the ship looks, the cooler it looks. Coolness affects the marketability of the ship and that is what truly matters.
To me, the connie has the 'coolness factor as well', sorry.
Which is why I said "To a certain degree, the more complex the ship looks, the cooler it looks." Complexity is not the only factor that matters for coolness, but people generally prefer some complexity to their ship rather than having a smooth white sphere. If Gene Roddenberry really wanted to save money, then he could have used Ping Pong balls.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Personally, I find it rather garish. Like those expensive cars bought by dudes trying to make up for some sort of, shall we say, short comings?
The Galaxy and Connie are far nicer to me.
Yep. Rogue One and even Force Awakens, one a prequel, the other a sequel faithfully kept the "DISCO!" 70's look going.....even the Falchon's Atari targeting computer graphics.
Next thing you know, we'll see Wolverine with blonde hair, a peg leg and John Inman voice in his next prequel.
To be fair, the OT Star Wars tech never looked as dated as TOS Star Trek tech.
TOS has not been altered. This is set prior to TOS.
Of course you think that. You have a very one track mind and an obligation to be a contrarian. It makes you very easy to predict.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Star Wars looks more like something Tim Allen or Red Green makes.
1 Monitors The Enterprise 1701 had Monitors through out the Bridge and Engineering that were bedded inside the Ships hall NX 01 and Discovery The Panels and Monitors were out and separate of the Ships hall and was less Automated like 1701
02 Transporters This is an ovise one the Transporters in the 1701 were more advance then both NX 01 and Disco manly of the Long Range Transporter and what will be my next point
03 Stronger Sensors The Enterprise NX 01 used a Sensors View Screen while the Discovery Uses a Window one and the Kirk Enterprise 1701 TOS is Sensor View Screen The Sensors may not been Strong Enough for Discovery to render constant view of the Stars while Enterprise 1701 and NX 01 Can This one is only a Theory
04 Food Replication The Food Replication on the NX 01 is vary limited to liquids from ICE to HOT while The Discovery and Enterprise actually have Food replication Stronger Versions to that of 24th Century witch is Transporter base Replication while TOS and Discovery uses a Protein reassembly based (Using Wast)
05 WARP DRIVE: Last but not Least WARP DRIVE the NX 01 is Warp 4.5 Max While the Enterprise and Discovery is 7 but the Enterprise with her upgraded Engines and Warp Core in 2266 is Warp 9 Speed but this is under the old Scale
I can go on and on how 2266 1701 is more advance then the 2258 and NX-01 but I just wanna give you an example and just shut the TRIBBLE up about it
The NX does have more advanced computer display tech than the TOS Enterprise. This could be explained through the highly reasonable excuse of the limited technology available in the 1960s or the more interesting theory of Enterprise and Discovery not being in the same timeline as TOS. After all, with the amount of time travel in Star Trek, the first few episodes of TOS is not in the same timeline as the end of Nemesis. So the timeline shown in Enterprise is the result of Scotty giving Transparent Aluminum to some American country in the 1980s and Chronowerx causing a technological revolution in the 1990s to influence how the look of technology has changed in Enterprise. Then there is all the time travel in Enterprise with the Temporal Cold War that further changed the timeline.
True, however that goes with the implications that the starships, uniforms and complete interior in Starfleet get complete structural refits every other year. Which is canonically true, but it's so silly
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Does not look more advanced to me.
There are of course in-universe clous one could headcanon as a show of technological advancement. For istance, the NX has handles attached to the hallways and bridge walls like a NASA spacecraft so it can be navigated in zero gravity. That makes sense for a star ship to have in the event of artificial gravity failing. TOS connie and the following ships do not have that, showing that the technology advanced to the point that people are not worried that artificial gravity would fail. Like, ever. It happened at least in TAS, but it seems to be such a freak occurence that no precautions need to be taken. That is something I'd take as a hint on more advanced technology. The other clou, of course, is TOS is set more than a century after ENT, so assuming it is technologically less advanced makes no sense, the audience simply thinks that because of the production involved.
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With all those prehistoric NASA stuffs like handles and bridge walks, that shows the technology is not too dependable.
Look at TOS and TNG, as you mentioned, no artificial gravity loss, and the Yamato was compromised because a far MORE advanced technology effected it. More advanced will be a lot simpler to use. My chica's ipad has just 2 buttons it on, and it' smooth as glass. And who's to say when we see and don't see on TOS consoles...those black panels might have deep holography, or those lil blinkies tell someone via their patterns.
Except for the fact that DS9 and Enterprise made it canon that the Klingons actually looked like TOS Klingons instead of it being because of the production involved.
So if the TOS Klingon look is canon and not a result of production involved, then what else from TOS is canon and not a result of production involved? Will the Enterprise Discovery go through a refit to look like the TOS Enterprise?
Entirely possible. According to real world stuff... test audiences didn't like the spikes on the Enterprise nacelles. Hence why they were removed. The only retcon I can see is The Cage style Enterprise being turned into what we saw in Discovery, and later refit into what we see in TOS. Apparently in a Discovery novel, they explained that the Discovery style uniforms were service wide, except for aboard Connies. They got the sweater style. And we know in canon that Starfleet has had two different style uniforms in service at one time before. Most notably during TNG and DS9 until they adopted the First Contact style. Then we take into account Voyager was using an older style even after reestablishing contact with Starfleet while lost in the Delta Quadrant.
As for the Klingons... Its plausible that not every Klingon was infected by the Augment Virus. And the Discovery style Klingons we see are an entirely seperate, and unaffected ethnic group. After the Augment Virus hit, this ethnic group saw it as a sign of weakness and made a power play. Eventually the smooth heads would win back power in time for TOS, then by TMP, they've reversed the effects of the Augment Virus, bringing back the Klingons we know from TMP era and TNG.
The ethnic group argument is actually plausible. I mean just look at how diverse human ethnic groups are. European features are different from Asian, which is also different from African, which is different from Native American...
Who's to say that alien species don't take the ethnic differences to a larger extreme than humans. I mean we have two distinct styles of Andorians without any explanation why some have antennae in the middle of their heads vs some with them in the front and actually mobile. And then we have the smooth head Romulans vs the TNG style Romulans. No explanation there.
So right now my personal headcanon is Ethnic Diversity.
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Still viable though. I mean the Klingons would see it as a pretty low point in their history, so Worf's statement of "We don't talk about it" is still valid.
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And THERE WAS NO REASON TO EXPLAIN IT. Enterprise did the Klingon Augment virus story and ruined the joke. I would love to see someone use the DS9 scene, but switch the TOS Klingons with Discovery Klingons since it works so perfectly.
I personally loved that Enterprise explained it. It had always bothered me how human the TOS Klingons looked and the DS9 joke had done nothing to fix that for me. TOS episodes that feature Klingons are now bearable for me to watch, where as when I was a kid I just laughed at the Klingons and changed the channel. I grew up with TNG.
There was no need to call out the TOS Klingons. Usually, ships, alien races, and costumes improve with changes to technology. The simple explanation of the 1960s wasn't able to do forehead ridges for Klingons or animated antennas for Andorians would have been sufficient.
With Into Darkness, we can easily tell that they were Klingons based on the depiction of Klingons from Enterprise, TNG, DS9, and Voyager. The Klingon Augment virus gives explanation why there are some Klingons that looked human in TOS. Which is not the case for Discovery Klingons. There is absolutely no explanation for why Klingons look like that. How did the Klingons in Enterprise turn into the Klingons in Discovery, and then back to their regular look? If Discovery introduced the Discovery Klingons as a completely new race, then it would be far easier to accept.
I have a pretty good theory I posted earlier.
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