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Quantum warhead module severely overperforming in pvp

adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
edited February 2018 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
200k hits and a moderately de-buffed opponent reminds me of the days of entropic, 70-80 base per charge.(xx) deals 152917 (274185) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to you with Warhead Module - Quantum (6 charges).

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    A recharge time and a lost console slot so no.
  • adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    A recharge time and a lost console slot so no.

    Nothing should be able to defeat an opponent in one shot, so far cryptic done good to eliminate these issues.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.

    Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.

    Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"

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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    yes, actually, you should be able to kill someone in one shot - it is extremely common in other PvP games, and is called the 'headshot'​​
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  • adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.

    Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"

    Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you
  • adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.

    Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"

    shadowfang240 wrote: »
    yes, actually, you should be able to kill someone in one shot - it is extremely common in other PvP games, and is called the 'headshot'​​

    oh right sure, that's why they removed entropic.... oh I forgot ok
  • cesitar257cesitar257 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    adz006 wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.

    Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"

    Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you

    +1
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  • adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @adz006 said:
    > davefenestrator wrote: »
    >
    > The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.
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    > Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"
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    > Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you

    Too bad you do not get to tell people what threads they can or cannot comment on.

    I'm merely pointing out a fact that if said issue doesn't concern him then he doesn't have to post. PvP is the bread and butter of many games lets not forget that, all I'm doing is highlighting an issue
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    adz006 wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @adz006 said:
    > davefenestrator wrote: »
    >
    > The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.
    >
    > Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"
    >
    >
    >
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    > Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you

    Too bad you do not get to tell people what threads they can or cannot comment on.

    I'm merely pointing out a fact that if said issue doesn't concern him then he doesn't have to post. PvP is the bread and butter of many games lets not forget that, all I'm doing is highlighting an issue

    He doesn't have to post, just as you don't have to reply to him if he chooses to.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    edited February 2018
    adz006 wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.

    Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"

    Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you

    The problem is that when PVPers demand nerfs for everything that kills them or they can't kill, those nerfs are applied to PVE too.

    99% of players lose fun toys because the 1% doesn't want to deal with them in PVP. Getting rid of that 1% is most definitely a fix that would let the rest of us keep our fun.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    I agree with dave. I don't PvP, ever. Not even for an endeavor.

    You don't ask for something to be nerfed because you can't deal with it, you find ways to deal with it.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,515 Arc User
    adz006 wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @adz006 said:
    > davefenestrator wrote: »
    >
    > The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.
    >
    > Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you

    Too bad you do not get to tell people what threads they can or cannot comment on.

    I'm merely pointing out a fact that if said issue doesn't concern him then he doesn't have to post. PvP is the bread and butter of many games lets not forget that, all I'm doing is highlighting an issue

    PvP isn't the bread and butter of this game, and considering the toxic attitude of other pure PvP games, I'm glad PvP barely registers in STO's radar. As a gamer of 35 years, I can tell you this....PvP ruins games.

    But I'll ask you this, when this game has you geared so you can inflict silly damage against NPC's because they have 10 times the HP's, why are you surprised you're getting vaped in PvP!? Simple Reverse Shield Polarity and stock up on Armour. Glass cannon designs may get you through PvE, but it's useless in PvP if you aren't carrying protection!
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  • adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    I kno
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @adz006 said:
    > azrael605 wrote: »
    >
    > > @adz006 said:
    > > davefenestrator wrote: »
    > >
    > > The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.
    > >
    > > Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you
    >
    > Too bad you do not get to tell people what threads they can or cannot comment on.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I'm merely pointing out a fact that if said issue doesn't concern him then he doesn't have to post. PvP is the bread and butter of many games lets not forget that, all I'm doing is highlighting an issue

    It is not however the bread and butter of STO, nor has it ever been so. He had every right to post his opinions on the matter regardless of what you think about it as does anyone and everyone else. Eliminate pvp and the problems end is just as valid a comment as any other.

    I didn't say he didn't have the right to post, he can post as he wishes, as are you now, again I'm trying to encourage constructive criticism not,- I hate pvp delete it because that is childish and it doesn't help anyone.
  • adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    adz006 wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @adz006 said:
    > davefenestrator wrote: »
    >
    > The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.
    >
    > Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you

    Too bad you do not get to tell people what threads they can or cannot comment on.

    I'm merely pointing out a fact that if said issue doesn't concern him then he doesn't have to post. PvP is the bread and butter of many games lets not forget that, all I'm doing is highlighting an issue

    PvP isn't the bread and butter of this game, and considering the toxic attitude of other pure PvP games, I'm glad PvP barely registers in STO's radar. As a gamer of 35 years, I can tell you this....PvP ruins games.

    But I'll ask you this, when this game has you geared so you can inflict silly damage against NPC's because they have 10 times the HP's, why are you surprised you're getting vaped in PvP!? Simple Reverse Shield Polarity and stock up on Armour. Glass cannon designs may get you through PvE, but it's useless in PvP if you aren't carrying protection!

    Fair enough I understand. That is true the gap between skill and setup required between pve and pvp is substantial, and I would say that is mostly down to the difficulty level of the pves and the lack of need of balance in their builds
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,028 Community Moderator
    How about we keep the PvP in-game and off the forum? ;)
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  • adz006adz006 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    How about we keep the PvP in-game and off the forum? ;)

    I'm up for that :) Forum pvp haha but I'm getting lambasted every time I make a thread about pvp nerfs lol ahh well but all good. All I want is good pvp and so far you guys have made big improvements and I enjoy it. My main goal is only to get the attention of someone that maybe able to look into it. Thanks
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    I can manage 200k hits with normal torpedo HY and I am anything but a top end dps player. sorry. you'll have to learn to adapt or maybe find a game with a more balanced pvp that the devs care more about?
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,943 Arc User
    edited February 2018
    adz006 wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    A recharge time and a lost console slot so no.

    Nothing should be able to defeat an opponent in one shot, so far cryptic done good to eliminate these issues.

    stop your whining before Cryptic nerfs it to appease the .005% of the playerbase who PVPs
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Some things should absolutely be able to defeat an opponent in one shot, but only if they're not paying attention and reacting properly. have you considered popping something which gives you even a moment of damage immunity?
    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,691 Community Moderator
    If there was a means to seperate PvE performance from PvP performance that might help. But the way STO is set up I don't think that's possible.

    And as azrael said, the PvP community can be toxic. Moreso that some of the DPSer PvE community sometimes.
    Many times I have seen threads about "X ability is OP! Plz Nerf!" because they got killed by it in PvP. And many of those instances it was a case of "Why the *beep* won't it die?!" or "How the *bleep* did he kill me so fast?!" And so instead of learning from the experience and trying to find a counter, some people come in with cries of "Its broken! Nerf it into the ground!" in order to reassert their EPeen superiority.

    Is this true of ALL cries to nerf? No.
    Is it true in some cases? Probably.

    Honestly people should experiment before crying Nerf if it involves PvP. If its a PvE thing, then see if others can cooborate the claim. If others agree in either case, then maybe something should be looked at. But not if the reason is "It killed me in PvP" or "I can't kill it in PvP" alone.

    OP, you're more likely to get more positive responses if you don't go rant mode right off the bat. State your case and maybe provide evidence if you have any. Or state the case and see if anyone else has encountered it. Either way... people might be more forthcoming than with a rage post.

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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    152K off that console is pathetic anyway...i've seen it do 5x as much at a full 6 charges​​
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  • bobs1111bobs1111 Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    adz006 wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    The real fix is to remove PVP from the game.

    Until then, perhaps we need one general thread on "PVP - I was killed by X so it must be nerfed!" and one on "PVP - I can no longer insta-kill someone using Y so it must be nerfed!"

    shadowfang240 wrote: »
    yes, actually, you should be able to kill someone in one shot - it is extremely common in other PvP games, and is called the 'headshot'​​

    oh right sure, that's why they removed entropic.... oh I forgot ok

    Wait... hold on... bwhahahaha... you think that got scaled because of PvP! ? Lmao

    Come on brother/sister... nothing gets fixed because of pvp or there is an entire slew of BS placates and other stupid stuff that would be gone. That one got nerfed because people where using it to drop big pve targets faster then *insert colourful metaphor*.

    This console can not be used to one shot shielded NPCs... and the 2min cool down for the full 6 charge pop isn't enough to KO multiple unshielded NPCs either.

    So like most things that are Decent to OK in PvE but very good for PvP... this one will not be touched.
  • orangenee#2931 orangenee
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    Forum PvP is best PvP BMR.....:(

    Adapt, improvise and overcome OP. There's worse things that can happen than taking an L in PvP.

    Just wait a bit, and you'll be rammed into oblivion next once everybody catches on. Then you'll see some numbers. Praise be to the Badger set.
  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    adz006 wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    A recharge time and a lost console slot so no.

    Nothing should be able to defeat an opponent in one shot, so far cryptic done good to eliminate these issues.

    Cryptic good at removing 1 shots? HAHAHHAHAHHAHAA! Most of the pvp for years was people BO3 vaping. Ive 1 shot so many people with my wing cannons ive lost count. And most pvp in any game is 1 shotting people. Sustained dmg in pvp is almost useless.

    Sustained is only good on things like bosses, and here in STO even the bosses get wrecked so fast thats useless. STO lives and breaths on insane burst damage, or completely draining your enemy of the will to live *looks at drain boats*.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited February 2018
    adz006 wrote: »
    Or we can remove the haters from the game, if you don't pvp please, this thread isn't for you

    Except for the fact that making this acceptable to the PvPers (5% of the players?) means it gets nerfed to hell for the other 95% of the players. Now if they could make pvpers whine less while leaving the pve alone, then sure, nerf away!

    This console isn't 'the problem' it just showcases how bad pvp is in STO.

  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited February 2018
    Captains, captains, such unprofessional behavior! Into that little room,
    please...
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