The TOS look was a bit weird... Apparently part of why it was simple is that hey couldn't afford to make it complex.
Not really. More advanced would look simple and sleek. Everything is INSIDE the ship. The NX looks more primitive, and showed it...where guys had to serve systems on the outside the ship, very dangerous and inefficient. I feel sorry for anyone on a star wars or aliens ship. I like the simple, sleek look. 'complex' does not mean advanced.
~holds up her chica's smart phone~ sleek, smooth....one button. ~holds up a mobile phone from 1995~ clunkier, covered in buttons and more 'complex looking'. Look at a 1957 'vette. covered in details and complex. 1997 'vette, smooth, sleek, simple.
Something does not have to be peppered with 'details' like a Star Destroyer or Red Dwarf (the Dwarf is covered in greeble, and it's rust bucket) to be advanced. Hence I love TOS.
Heh, Form follows function. Details that make sense make it look awesome. Star Destroyers have meaningful detail. They have bumps on the hull where weapon turrets are mounted, etc...
There's been at least one movie where the aliens used a ship that was a featureless metallic sphere.... showing how people were supposed to enter the thing was... interesting, to say the least, especially since it literally had no doors.
Not a featureless metallic sphere, but this ship certainly makes it interesting how to enter the ship. Also if done right, then simple and sleek looks more futuristic than functional.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I am fascinated how the show creators always say something like "it's so challenging to write within the confines of canon" when they simply don't do that xD Nothing they did in the show requires any canon, they recreated designs or used original creations. The only "canon" they refer to is name-dropping Trek terms or characters to asure the audience "see, this is Star Trek" xD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The TOS look was a bit weird... Apparently part of why it was simple is that hey couldn't afford to make it complex.
Not really. More advanced would look simple and sleek. Everything is INSIDE the ship. The NX looks more primitive, and showed it...where guys had to serve systems on the outside the ship, very dangerous and inefficient. I feel sorry for anyone on a star wars or aliens ship. I like the simple, sleek look. 'complex' does not mean advanced.
~holds up her chica's smart phone~ sleek, smooth....one button. ~holds up a mobile phone from 1995~ clunkier, covered in buttons and more 'complex looking'. Look at a 1957 'vette. covered in details and complex. 1997 'vette, smooth, sleek, simple.
Something does not have to be peppered with 'details' like a Star Destroyer or Red Dwarf (the Dwarf is covered in greeble, and it's rust bucket) to be advanced. Hence I love TOS.
Heh, Form follows function. Details that make sense make it look awesome. Star Destroyers have meaningful detail. They have bumps on the hull where weapon turrets are mounted, etc...
There's been at least one movie where the aliens used a ship that was a featureless metallic sphere.... showing how people were supposed to enter the thing was... interesting, to say the least, especially since it literally had no doors.
Not a featureless metallic sphere, but this ship certainly makes it interesting how to enter the ship. Also if done right, then simple and sleek looks more futuristic than functional.
Flight of the Navigator.
The ship's hull was made out of liquid metal like the T-1000 and morphed into various shapes as needed. Which basically means that the actual hull was concealed from view, since the ship interior wasn't made of that stuff.
I think I recall from some old interviews and commentary videos that part of the original Enterprise's design philosophy was that they wanted the ship to have a distinct easily recognizable look while being simple enough for a child to draw. The idea was to make something that would engrain itself easily into the audiences mind that they would instantly be able to recognize or describe.
On the flipside I can see why later designs started to add surface detailing and greebles. Simple flat surfaces make for a pretty boring design where your eyes start to wander but never focus in on anything due to a lack of detailing. All that extra fluff is there to catch the stage lights and give your eyes something to focus on. The problem is that a lot of side-material Trek artists seem to lack a sense of balance and proportional scaling.
I can't help but think about how the ships get portrayed in the Star Trek comics. A lot of the time the ships get treated almost as an afterthought, with very crude renditions, often getting the details totally wrong. So there might be something to keeping things simple.
The TOS look was a bit weird... Apparently part of why it was simple is that hey couldn't afford to make it complex.
Not really. More advanced would look simple and sleek. Everything is INSIDE the ship. The NX looks more primitive, and showed it...where guys had to serve systems on the outside the ship, very dangerous and inefficient. I feel sorry for anyone on a star wars or aliens ship. I like the simple, sleek look. 'complex' does not mean advanced.
~holds up her chica's smart phone~ sleek, smooth....one button. ~holds up a mobile phone from 1995~ clunkier, covered in buttons and more 'complex looking'. Look at a 1957 'vette. covered in details and complex. 1997 'vette, smooth, sleek, simple.
Something does not have to be peppered with 'details' like a Star Destroyer or Red Dwarf (the Dwarf is covered in greeble, and it's rust bucket) to be advanced. Hence I love TOS.
Heh, Form follows function. Details that make sense make it look awesome. Star Destroyers have meaningful detail. They have bumps on the hull where weapon turrets are mounted, etc...
There's been at least one movie where the aliens used a ship that was a featureless metallic sphere.... showing how people were supposed to enter the thing was... interesting, to say the least, especially since it literally had no doors.
To explain the form follows function comment in more detail, think about what the ships do, and what the technology is capable of.
The Rebel Alliance has serious resource problems. Most of their "warships" are just refitted freighters, so they're ugly as sin. A freight vessel isn't trying to impress anybody, it just carries stuff.
The Star Destroyer is wedge-shaped because of how it's designed to engage the enemy. Just like battleships of old were built to engage on the broadside (because long and narrow is the shape that's efficient in water, so that's where they could fit the most guns), the Star Destroyer is built to engage most effectively facing forward, either while pursuing the enemies of Emperor Palpatine or while stationary over a surface target (remember, there is no "up" in space).
The Federation, well. In the TNG era, the primary weapon for most of the fleet, excepting the Defiant-class, is the phaser array. This weapon is omnidirectional and doesn't require either the ship to turn or the weapon to traverse. In contrast, Star Wars's various types of plasma casters fire in one direction: the direction the barrel of the gun points.
There's also the fact that the Federation expands chiefly by voluntary admission of planets and states rather than by conquest. And it's rich enough that it has the resources to expend on making its ships look sleek, something that, logically, is as much for propaganda value as anything else. The sleek ships, and well, this thing...
IIRC Yorktown Station is stated to be on the edge of the Federation and in a location that does not favor any nearby member state. This is the Federation flexing its muscle, saying to nearby unaffiliated planets, "Join us and you can be a part of THIS AWESOME THING!"
I am fascinated how the show creators always say something like "it's so challenging to write within the confines of canon" when they simply don't do that xD Nothing they did in the show requires any canon, they recreated designs or used original creations. The only "canon" they refer to is name-dropping Trek terms or characters to asure the audience "see, this is Star Trek" xD
Well, you can see minor retcons here and there. For example, in "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum", Admiral Cornwell states that the Federation has no death penalty, whereas TOS: "The Menagerie" says that it does (for visiting the Talosian homeworld), and in Voyager Tuvok states that the captain of a starship has the authority to instate it in extreme circumstances. However, the RL Western world is moving away from capital punishment. The European Union banned it ages ago, and even some red states in the US are getting rid of it: Nebraska abolished the death penalty during the Obama Administration (although whether for moral or practical reasons, I don't know without looking it up). Even places like Jordan got rid of it for a while, although Da'ish burning a Jordanian POW alive led them to reinstate it.
But, in the big picture... Well, start with the fact that, unlike ENT with the Borg episode, the DSC showrunners stated a while back that they would not use the Romulans at all because "Balance of Terror" indicates there hasn't been any contact with them since the Earth-Romulan War.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
A lot of what the Federation says seems to be for propaganda value, particularly in the TNG years. There were a set of scenes from First Contact and DS9 that have stuck with me. They were when Picard and Jake Sisko recited almost word for word the same boast about humanity evolving beyond its material desires to embrace a philosophy of self enlightenment.
Picard was dealing with somebody who was ignorant of the Federation and as such was never called out on the claim. Jake on the other hand had Nog calling BS on the whole thing, and Jake was unable to articulate anything beyond the original boast. This has left me with the belief that Jake was simply parroting the line taught to him in school and that he never paused to question any of it.
When you start to look at the Federation as a whole you start to notice cracks in the utopian façade they put up. The Federation Council is generally negligent and uninterested in the needs of its citizens, Starfleet acting as almost a military police has the run of the place with little recourse by common citizens, and that is to say nothing of the casual nepotism and aristocratic classism that goes on in plain sight.
A lot of this of course has to do with having a revolving door of countless writers adding contradictory content over a fifty year production history. Another part of it is that stories tend to reflect the times during which they are written. Assuming the franchise keeps chugging along, we will probably see the day when the Federation's genetic engineering ban is retconned away to fit in with the growing vision of trans-humanism.
A lot of what the Federation says seems to be for propaganda value, particularly in the TNG years. There were a set of scenes from First Contact and DS9 that have stuck with me. They were when Picard and Jake Sisko recited almost word for word the same boast about humanity evolving beyond its material desires to embrace a philosophy of self enlightenment.
Picard was dealing with somebody who was ignorant of the Federation and as such was never called out on the claim. Jake on the other hand had Nog calling BS on the whole thing, and Jake was unable to articulate anything beyond the original boast. This has left me with the belief that Jake was simply parroting the line taught to him in school and that he never paused to question any of it.
Actually Lily did later after he had his rage fit where he Beat a Borg to bits AFTER he shot it to death...
The TOS look was a bit weird... Apparently part of why it was simple is that hey couldn't afford to make it complex.
Not really. More advanced would look simple and sleek. Everything is INSIDE the ship. The NX looks more primitive, and showed it...where guys had to serve systems on the outside the ship, very dangerous and inefficient. I feel sorry for anyone on a star wars or aliens ship. I like the simple, sleek look. 'complex' does not mean advanced.
~holds up her chica's smart phone~ sleek, smooth....one button. ~holds up a mobile phone from 1995~ clunkier, covered in buttons and more 'complex looking'. Look at a 1957 'vette. covered in details and complex. 1997 'vette, smooth, sleek, simple.
Something does not have to be peppered with 'details' like a Star Destroyer or Red Dwarf (the Dwarf is covered in greeble, and it's rust bucket) to be advanced. Hence I love TOS.
Heh, Form follows function. Details that make sense make it look awesome. Star Destroyers have meaningful detail. They have bumps on the hull where weapon turrets are mounted, etc...
There's been at least one movie where the aliens used a ship that was a featureless metallic sphere.... showing how people were supposed to enter the thing was... interesting, to say the least, especially since it literally had no doors.
Not a featureless metallic sphere, but this ship certainly makes it interesting how to enter the ship. Also if done right, then simple and sleek looks more futuristic than functional.
Flight of the Navigator.
The ship's hull was made out of liquid metal like the T-1000 and morphed into various shapes as needed. Which basically means that the actual hull was concealed from view, since the ship interior wasn't made of that stuff.
The entire ship changed shape. I think the entire ship is made of the stuff.
I am fascinated how the show creators always say something like "it's so challenging to write within the confines of canon" when they simply don't do that xD Nothing they did in the show requires any canon, they recreated designs or used original creations. The only "canon" they refer to is name-dropping Trek terms or characters to asure the audience "see, this is Star Trek" xD
In otherwords.....they are afraid of thinking and a lil hard work.
I've yet to see anything apart from a few names on a screen or a few spoken things.
I am fascinated how the show creators always say something like "it's so challenging to write within the confines of canon" when they simply don't do that xD Nothing they did in the show requires any canon, they recreated designs or used original creations. The only "canon" they refer to is name-dropping Trek terms or characters to asure the audience "see, this is Star Trek" xD
In otherwords.....they are afraid of thinking and a lil hard work.
I've yet to see anything apart from a few names on a screen or a few spoken things.
I think they're thinking more in terms of what they can't use. Remember the ire ENT drew by using the Romulans the way they did -- no matter that their version actually made more sense in practical terms than "Balance of Terror"'s absurd idea that the Coalition of Planets could have fought a war with the Romulans without ever seeing a dead one, or that the Romulans could have fought them without warp drive -- or by using the Borg and Ferengi at all. The Ferengi are at least on the other side of the Federation from the Klingon border. The Romulans, however, are at most a few tens of light-years coreward and it would make sense for them to show up and do their sneaky sneak thing with the warring sides ("Whoever loses, WE WIN!"), but TOS.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I am fascinated how the show creators always say something like "it's so challenging to write within the confines of canon" when they simply don't do that xD Nothing they did in the show requires any canon, they recreated designs or used original creations. The only "canon" they refer to is name-dropping Trek terms or characters to asure the audience "see, this is Star Trek" xD
In otherwords.....they are afraid of thinking and a lil hard work.
I've yet to see anything apart from a few names on a screen or a few spoken things.
I think they're thinking more in terms of what they can't use. Remember the ire ENT drew by using the Romulans the way they did -- no matter that their version actually made more sense in practical terms than "Balance of Terror"'s absurd idea that the Coalition of Planets could have fought a war with the Romulans without ever seeing a dead one, or that the Romulans could have fought them without warp drive -- or by using the Borg and Ferengi at all. The Ferengi are at least on the other side of the Federation from the Klingon border. The Romulans, however, are at most a few tens of light-years coreward and it would make sense for them to show up and do their sneaky sneak thing with the warring sides ("Whoever loses, WE WIN!"), but TOS.
I never bought the Romulans had no warp drive thing....those pods on either end of the Bird of Prey tell my otherwise.
I'm sure the Discovery writers and staff could make something work if they put an effort into staying true to TOS for the most part....everything from the Fetish Convention Klingons to the ship visuals and the so-called "D7" tells me that don't give a damn. If we could have seen a genuine D7, or even a stripped down K'tinga for the greeble junkies, it would tell me they cared. If we could have seen at least a few TOS or TMP era Klingons walking about, it would tell me they cared. Just a one off line of a Constitution Class during that workout scene did not cut it. That's just me.
I am fascinated how the show creators always say something like "it's so challenging to write within the confines of canon" when they simply don't do that xD Nothing they did in the show requires any canon, they recreated designs or used original creations. The only "canon" they refer to is name-dropping Trek terms or characters to asure the audience "see, this is Star Trek" xD
In otherwords.....they are afraid of thinking and a lil hard work.
I've yet to see anything apart from a few names on a screen or a few spoken things.
I think they're thinking more in terms of what they can't use. Remember the ire ENT drew by using the Romulans the way they did -- no matter that their version actually made more sense in practical terms than "Balance of Terror"'s absurd idea that the Coalition of Planets could have fought a war with the Romulans without ever seeing a dead one, or that the Romulans could have fought them without warp drive -- or by using the Borg and Ferengi at all. The Ferengi are at least on the other side of the Federation from the Klingon border. The Romulans, however, are at most a few tens of light-years coreward and it would make sense for them to show up and do their sneaky sneak thing with the warring sides ("Whoever loses, WE WIN!"), but TOS.
It was NEVER stated on screen that they did not have warp drive. The dialogue from Balance of Terror was that the ship had "simple impulse power"; not drive/engine. Suggesting the BoP was simply fusion/impulse powered rather than Antimatter/matter warp core-powered or at very least with the said core offline/not registering(power level depleted momentary from firing the plasma that one shot the outposts and nearly did Enterprise in).
Further more, dialogues later in the episode stated something like "fuel reserve/stock being depleting." "enough fuel to get back to border" suggest the BoP is mainly fusion/impulse powered more than anything.
The Romulans must of had some form of FTL travel and FTL communication with their Drone ships. It is possible that they used some other form of FTL travel so they could not have warp drive and have FTL travel at the same time.
The Romulans must of had some form of FTL travel and FTL communication with their Drone ships. It is possible that they used some other form of FTL travel so they could not have warp drive and have FTL travel at the same time.
That's ENT retconning TOS. ENT also retconned the cloaking device, which was strongly implied to be a new technology in "Balance of Terror":
KIRK: Position of the intruder, Mister Spock.
SPOCK: Disappeared. Interesting how they became visible for just a moment.
KIRK: When they opened fire. Perhaps necessary when they use their weapon.
SPOCK: I have a blip on the motion sensor. Could be the intruder.
KIRK: Go to full magnification.
SULU: Screen is on full mag, sir.
KIRK: I don't see anything. I can't understand it.
SPOCK: Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain, with selective bending of light. But the power cost is enormous.
They may have solved that problem.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Well, one could take Spock's comments to mean a cloak their ship couldn't detect rather than simply making it invisible to the naked eye.
Frankly you're crediting ENT's writers with more intelligence than they displayed most of the time.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
All of ENT's Romulan issues could have easily been solved by making them the Suliban and Xindi's benefactor. Humans never seeing Romulans would suddenly be plausible if the Earth-Romulan War was fought by proxy armies... Archer making peace with both the Suliban and Xindi could then have served as the reason why the Romulans had to turn inward for a century, having to totally rework how their military functioned and potentially clamp down on their vassal species.
All of ENT's Romulan issues could have easily been solved by making them the Suliban and Xindi's benefactor. Humans never seeing Romulans would suddenly be plausible if the Earth-Romulan War was fought by proxy armies... Archer making peace with both the Suliban and Xindi could then have served as the reason why the Romulans had to turn inward for a century, having to totally rework how their military functioned and potentially clamp down on their vassal species.
Actually the ENT's TPTB later admitted showing the Romulans using cloak in the show was a huge mistake. Which is why you never see it brought up again with the Romulans for the remainder of the show.
starswordc and Strategema: The TOS bird of prey DO have FTL. It simply did not had an Antimatter/Matter warp core, or at least one with enough power level to be detected by Scotty. Impulse powered. Not Impulse driven/propelled. That's his words.
Second: the Romulans used a telepathic andorian to control the Drone ships over vast distances. Once the drones were stopped, the project was ended.
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The ship's hull was made out of liquid metal like the T-1000 and morphed into various shapes as needed. Which basically means that the actual hull was concealed from view, since the ship interior wasn't made of that stuff.
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On the flipside I can see why later designs started to add surface detailing and greebles. Simple flat surfaces make for a pretty boring design where your eyes start to wander but never focus in on anything due to a lack of detailing. All that extra fluff is there to catch the stage lights and give your eyes something to focus on. The problem is that a lot of side-material Trek artists seem to lack a sense of balance and proportional scaling.
I can't help but think about how the ships get portrayed in the Star Trek comics. A lot of the time the ships get treated almost as an afterthought, with very crude renditions, often getting the details totally wrong. So there might be something to keeping things simple.
To explain the form follows function comment in more detail, think about what the ships do, and what the technology is capable of.
- The Rebel Alliance has serious resource problems. Most of their "warships" are just refitted freighters, so they're ugly as sin. A freight vessel isn't trying to impress anybody, it just carries stuff.
- The Star Destroyer is wedge-shaped because of how it's designed to engage the enemy. Just like battleships of old were built to engage on the broadside (because long and narrow is the shape that's efficient in water, so that's where they could fit the most guns), the Star Destroyer is built to engage most effectively facing forward, either while pursuing the enemies of Emperor Palpatine or while stationary over a surface target (remember, there is no "up" in space).
- The Federation, well. In the TNG era, the primary weapon for most of the fleet, excepting the Defiant-class, is the phaser array. This weapon is omnidirectional and doesn't require either the ship to turn or the weapon to traverse. In contrast,
Well, you can see minor retcons here and there. For example, in "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum", Admiral Cornwell states that the Federation has no death penalty, whereas TOS: "The Menagerie" says that it does (for visiting the Talosian homeworld), and in Voyager Tuvok states that the captain of a starship has the authority to instate it in extreme circumstances. However, the RL Western world is moving away from capital punishment. The European Union banned it ages ago, and even some red states in the US are getting rid of it: Nebraska abolished the death penalty during the Obama Administration (although whether for moral or practical reasons, I don't know without looking it up). Even places like Jordan got rid of it for a while, although Da'ish burning a Jordanian POW alive led them to reinstate it.Star Wars's various types of plasma casters fire in one direction: the direction the barrel of the gun points.
There's also the fact that the Federation expands chiefly by voluntary admission of planets and states rather than by conquest. And it's rich enough that it has the resources to expend on making its ships look sleek, something that, logically, is as much for propaganda value as anything else. The sleek ships, and well, this thing...
IIRC Yorktown Station is stated to be on the edge of the Federation and in a location that does not favor any nearby member state. This is the Federation flexing its muscle, saying to nearby unaffiliated planets, "Join us and you can be a part of THIS AWESOME THING!"
But, in the big picture... Well, start with the fact that, unlike ENT with the Borg episode, the DSC showrunners stated a while back that they would not use the Romulans at all because "Balance of Terror" indicates there hasn't been any contact with them since the Earth-Romulan War.
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Picard was dealing with somebody who was ignorant of the Federation and as such was never called out on the claim. Jake on the other hand had Nog calling BS on the whole thing, and Jake was unable to articulate anything beyond the original boast. This has left me with the belief that Jake was simply parroting the line taught to him in school and that he never paused to question any of it.
When you start to look at the Federation as a whole you start to notice cracks in the utopian façade they put up. The Federation Council is generally negligent and uninterested in the needs of its citizens, Starfleet acting as almost a military police has the run of the place with little recourse by common citizens, and that is to say nothing of the casual nepotism and aristocratic classism that goes on in plain sight.
A lot of this of course has to do with having a revolving door of countless writers adding contradictory content over a fifty year production history. Another part of it is that stories tend to reflect the times during which they are written. Assuming the franchise keeps chugging along, we will probably see the day when the Federation's genetic engineering ban is retconned away to fit in with the growing vision of trans-humanism.
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The entire ship changed shape. I think the entire ship is made of the stuff.
In otherwords.....they are afraid of thinking and a lil hard work.
I've yet to see anything apart from a few names on a screen or a few spoken things.
I think they're thinking more in terms of what they can't use. Remember the ire ENT drew by using the Romulans the way they did -- no matter that their version actually made more sense in practical terms than "Balance of Terror"'s absurd idea that the Coalition of Planets could have fought a war with the Romulans without ever seeing a dead one, or that the Romulans could have fought them without warp drive -- or by using the Borg and Ferengi at all. The Ferengi are at least on the other side of the Federation from the Klingon border. The Romulans, however, are at most a few tens of light-years coreward and it would make sense for them to show up and do their sneaky sneak thing with the warring sides ("Whoever loses, WE WIN!"), but TOS.
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I never bought the Romulans had no warp drive thing....those pods on either end of the Bird of Prey tell my otherwise.
I'm sure the Discovery writers and staff could make something work if they put an effort into staying true to TOS for the most part....everything from the Fetish Convention Klingons to the ship visuals and the so-called "D7" tells me that don't give a damn. If we could have seen a genuine D7, or even a stripped down K'tinga for the greeble junkies, it would tell me they cared. If we could have seen at least a few TOS or TMP era Klingons walking about, it would tell me they cared. Just a one off line of a Constitution Class during that workout scene did not cut it. That's just me.
Further more, dialogues later in the episode stated something like "fuel reserve/stock being depleting." "enough fuel to get back to border" suggest the BoP is mainly fusion/impulse powered more than anything.
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In the actual books, Holmes is never quite that direct.
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That's ENT retconning TOS. ENT also retconned the cloaking device, which was strongly implied to be a new technology in "Balance of Terror":
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Frankly you're crediting ENT's writers with more intelligence than they displayed most of the time.
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starswordc and Strategema: The TOS bird of prey DO have FTL. It simply did not had an Antimatter/Matter warp core, or at least one with enough power level to be detected by Scotty. Impulse powered. Not Impulse driven/propelled. That's his words.
Second: the Romulans used a telepathic andorian to control the Drone ships over vast distances. Once the drones were stopped, the project was ended.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.