I'm surprised nobody has commented on the Klingon alarms Starfleet is using... (Amusingly, it's one of the most Klingon things in the show.)
I think that wasn't a Klingon klaxon but rather the "warp breach" signal from TNG. But now that you mention it, I am completely pissed by the random usage of computer sounds from all the eras. Why can't they simply stick with one style?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm surprised nobody has commented on the Klingon alarms Starfleet is using... (Amusingly, it's one of the most Klingon things in the show.)
I think that wasn't a Klingon klaxon but rather the "warp breach" signal from TNG. But now that you mention it, I am completely pissed by the random usage of computer sounds from all the eras. Why can't they simply stick with one style?
@dalolorn is correct on that. The red-alert-sound on Starfleet-vessels throughout DIS so far was originally a klingon red-alert sound-effect from 'Redemption', which was also used in older PC-games (install Star Trek Armada I or II and search the sound-files, or just play any Starfleet Command-title as klingon).
It doesn't bother me too much though, because it was done before. In Nemesis, during the battle of the Bassen-rift. The "intruder-alert" of the Enterprise-E has the exact same sound-effect.
The owners of the IP say it is in the prime universe, so whatever "evidence" there is for it being anything other than that are B.S.
Well, DSC can still take place in the prime timeline - from now on and everything so far has been the prologue
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
The owners of the IP say it is in the prime universe, so whatever "evidence" there is for it being anything other than that are B.S.
Well, DSC can still take place in the prime timeline - from now on and everything so far has been the prologue
If Discovery wants to stay true to the setting of 10 years before TOS, then that is what they have to do. The technology in Discovery is far too advanced for the setting with holographic interfaces, holodecks, and androids. Data is the first android to join Starfleet while we have an android character as part of the bridge crew in Discovery. If Discovery came from a parallel universe, then we can have an android on the Discovery and still have Data as the first android to join Starfleet.
The owners of the IP say it is in the prime universe, so whatever "evidence" there is for it being anything other than that are B.S.
Well, DSC can still take place in the prime timeline - from now on and everything so far has been the prologue
If Discovery wants to stay true to the setting of 10 years before TOS, then that is what they have to do. The technology in Discovery is far too advanced for the setting with holographic interfaces, holodecks, and androids. Data is the first android to join Starfleet while we have an android character as part of the bridge crew in Discovery. If Discovery came from a parallel universe, then we can have an android on the Discovery and still have Data as the first android to join Starfleet.
Is she an android? Or just a cyborg? Citation please.
You're assuming she's an android but the fact is we don't know, she hasn't been discussed because that isn't how the series is formatted.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
The owners of the IP say it is in the prime universe, so whatever "evidence" there is for it being anything other than that are B.S.
Well, DSC can still take place in the prime timeline - from now on and everything so far has been the prologue
If Discovery wants to stay true to the setting of 10 years before TOS, then that is what they have to do. The technology in Discovery is far too advanced for the setting with holographic interfaces, holodecks, and androids. Data is the first android to join Starfleet while we have an android character as part of the bridge crew in Discovery. If Discovery came from a parallel universe, then we can have an android on the Discovery and still have Data as the first android to join Starfleet.
Is she an android? Or just a cyborg? Citation please.
You're assuming she's an android but the fact is we don't know, she hasn't been discussed because that isn't how the series is formatted.
If she is a cyborg, then it is still technology that was not available 10 years before TOS. She looks more like an android than Data ever did. Data looked like he could pass for human while Airiam looks like the first generation of androids.
The owners of the IP say it is in the prime universe, so whatever "evidence" there is for it being anything other than that are B.S.
Well, DSC can still take place in the prime timeline - from now on and everything so far has been the prologue
If Discovery wants to stay true to the setting of 10 years before TOS, then that is what they have to do. The technology in Discovery is far too advanced for the setting with holographic interfaces, holodecks, and androids. Data is the first android to join Starfleet while we have an android character as part of the bridge crew in Discovery. If Discovery came from a parallel universe, then we can have an android on the Discovery and still have Data as the first android to join Starfleet.
Is she an android? Or just a cyborg? Citation please.
You're assuming she's an android but the fact is we don't know, she hasn't been discussed because that isn't how the series is formatted.
If she is a cyborg, then it is still technology that was not available 10 years before TOS. She looks more like an android than Data ever did. Data looked like he could pass for human while Airiam looks like the first generation of androids.
she could be just a truly non-humanoid in an encounter suit/life support. for example, a Medusan (TOS-a race so alien it actually drives humanoids insane to look at them.)
Could be possible, but the best explanation for her identity is based on her look until further information is provided. So until she is identified as a non-humanoid in an encounter suit, then she looks like an android so she is an android.
Ever since Star Trek 2009, I noticed that Star Trek is less willing to identify alien crew members compared to previous Star Trek series. There are a bunch of alien crewmembers on the JJTrek Enterprise that we have no idea what race they belong to.
The owners of the IP say it is in the prime universe, so whatever "evidence" there is for it being anything other than that are B.S.
Well, DSC can still take place in the prime timeline - from now on and everything so far has been the prologue
If Discovery wants to stay true to the setting of 10 years before TOS, then that is what they have to do. The technology in Discovery is far too advanced for the setting with holographic interfaces, holodecks, and androids. Data is the first android to join Starfleet while we have an android character as part of the bridge crew in Discovery. If Discovery came from a parallel universe, then we can have an android on the Discovery and still have Data as the first android to join Starfleet.
Is she an android? Or just a cyborg? Citation please.
You're assuming she's an android but the fact is we don't know, she hasn't been discussed because that isn't how the series is formatted.
If she is a cyborg, then it is still technology that was not available 10 years before TOS.
Was it not? What makes you think that?
We have some examples of cybertechnology in the 24th century, and it's very subtle, like a dataport easily hidden below some hair.
We also know situations were cybernetics definitely aren't needed anymore, but might be in the 23rd - like Nog's synthetic leg. (And we've seen from Christopher Pike's life support chair sometimes we can't even replace those parts.)
She looks more like an android than Data ever did. Data looked like he could pass for human while Airiam looks like the first generation of androids.
The fact that she looks so obviously modified or robotic suggests that the technology is more primitive than what existed in the 24th century.
(BTW, it hasn't been stated on screen AFAIK, so it's technically not canon yet, but the background material says she's a cybernetically augmented human.)
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I can't visualize why would anyone think Keyla Detmer is an android.
In her first appearance she looked like an ordinary human:
Then after the ship got blown up she looked like this:
So you're probably taking about this person:
There has been no in universe explanation, but the back ground material uniformly describes the character as a cyborg, though the specifics vary.
The Star Trek Novel Best Destiny, which takes place when Kirk is 16 depicts cybernetuc replacement limbs in use among Pike's crew. That aside we are less than a century, probably less than 50 years, away from full blown cyberprosthetics right now, there is no reason why they shouldn't have it on Discovery.
Any and all considerations of the "tech available in TOS" need to be tossed aside people, this isn't the 1960s anymore. I am quite sure we will see the Enterprise or another Constitution class ship in the second half of the season, and just as sure that it's not going to look like a cardboard set from the 60s.
On interesting thing is that, in-universe, there seems to be a general disdain for people with artificial parts. Like with Geordi, he tended to get treated like a cripple. So it seems as if the culture of the Federation has a strong preference for tissue reconstruction techniques over cybernetics.
So not seeing them has less to do with whether the tech exists than with whether people want to use it. We actually DID see at least one cybernetic human in TOS. She was blind and used cybernetics to see.
No that's not Dr. Pulaski. It's Miranda Jones. (same actress though)
Her dress had a network of sensors that let her see. The net effect was similar in principle to Geordi's Visor.
The Star Trek Novel Best Destiny, which takes place when Kirk is 16 depicts cybernetuc replacement limbs in use among Pike's crew. That aside we are less than a century, probably less than 50 years, away from full blown cyberprosthetics right now, there is no reason why they shouldn't have it on Discovery.
Any and all considerations of the "tech available in TOS" need to be tossed aside people, this isn't the 1960s anymore. I am quite sure we will see the Enterprise or another Constitution class ship in the second half of the season, and just as sure that it's not going to look like a cardboard set from the 60s.
On interesting thing is that, in-universe, there seems to be a general disdain for people with artificial parts. Like with Geordi, he tended to get treated like a cripple. So it seems as if the culture of the Federation has a strong preference for tissue reconstruction techniques over cybernetics.
So not seeing them has less to do with whether the tech exists than with whether people want to use it. We actually DID see at least one cybernetic human in TOS. She was blind and used cybernetics to see.
No that's not Dr. Pulaski. It's Miranda Jones. (same actress though)
Her dress had a network of sensors that let her see. The net effect was similar in principle to Geordi's Visor.
I don't really remember a disdain for Geordi. Just people being unfamiliar with his Visor. Unless you mean the opinion of Romulans about disabled people.
Miranda Jones character is a nice catch. I mean, as a reference for cybernetics. Oh, maybe also for the eyes. Even if she's blind. Err.. emm.
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She looks more like an android than Data ever did. Data looked like he could pass for human while Airiam looks like the first generation of androids.
The fact that she looks so obviously modified or robotic suggests that the technology is more primitive than what existed in the 24th century.
This. Again: more advanced technology tends to be less obtrusive. The fact that her prostheses, as well as Lieutenant Detmer's (she's the redhead with the computer thingy on the side of her head), are so clearly visible means they're not as advanced.
As a point of comparison, check out real-world prosthetic limbs. You've got the hook hand from pre-electricity times.
Next they develop a hook that can actually grasp something.
Nowadays they're fitting amputees with prostheses that can translate electrical signals from their remaining nerves, and look much more like actual human limbs.
They can even be fitted with a skin-like covering the way Luke Skywalker's was.
I don't really remember a disdain for Geordi. Just people being unfamiliar with his Visor. Unless you mean the opinion of Romulans about disabled people.
I do recall Tolian Soran asking Geordi if he'd prefer a prosthesis that would make him look "more normal", but then again Soran is the villain, so...
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Cybernetics don't need to be about dealing with some injury, but about making a person do their job better. Star Trek seemed to be against enhancing humans. Their stance about genetic engineering with the Eugenics War and the only significant depiction of cybernetics with the Borg makes it look like only pure humans are the only way to go. So the Prime Universe seems to have a problem with Transhumanism due to Augments and the Borg and Data and the Doctor have to fight for their right to be considered as alive while Discovery doesn't seem to have that problem. It might be due to Discovery being some clandestine ship where Federation rules don't apply instead of being in a parallel universe, but there is no way to tell. Or it could be that the other Star Trek series are about Humanism while Discovery is about Transhumanism.
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I think that wasn't a Klingon klaxon but rather the "warp breach" signal from TNG. But now that you mention it, I am completely pissed by the random usage of computer sounds from all the eras. Why can't they simply stick with one style?
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@dalolorn is correct on that. The red-alert-sound on Starfleet-vessels throughout DIS so far was originally a klingon red-alert sound-effect from 'Redemption', which was also used in older PC-games (install Star Trek Armada I or II and search the sound-files, or just play any Starfleet Command-title as klingon).
It doesn't bother me too much though, because it was done before. In Nemesis, during the battle of the Bassen-rift. The "intruder-alert" of the Enterprise-E has the exact same sound-effect.
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i hope, they are in a parallel universe. where the klingons look right and there are no holograms ^^
You mean in the Prime Universe set 10 years before TOS? All evidence in Discovery points to it being currently set in a parallel universe.
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If Discovery wants to stay true to the setting of 10 years before TOS, then that is what they have to do. The technology in Discovery is far too advanced for the setting with holographic interfaces, holodecks, and androids. Data is the first android to join Starfleet while we have an android character as part of the bridge crew in Discovery. If Discovery came from a parallel universe, then we can have an android on the Discovery and still have Data as the first android to join Starfleet.
Is she an android? Or just a cyborg? Citation please.
You're assuming she's an android but the fact is we don't know, she hasn't been discussed because that isn't how the series is formatted.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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If she is a cyborg, then it is still technology that was not available 10 years before TOS. She looks more like an android than Data ever did. Data looked like he could pass for human while Airiam looks like the first generation of androids.
Could be possible, but the best explanation for her identity is based on her look until further information is provided. So until she is identified as a non-humanoid in an encounter suit, then she looks like an android so she is an android.
Ever since Star Trek 2009, I noticed that Star Trek is less willing to identify alien crew members compared to previous Star Trek series. There are a bunch of alien crewmembers on the JJTrek Enterprise that we have no idea what race they belong to.
We have some examples of cybertechnology in the 24th century, and it's very subtle, like a dataport easily hidden below some hair.
We also know situations were cybernetics definitely aren't needed anymore, but might be in the 23rd - like Nog's synthetic leg. (And we've seen from Christopher Pike's life support chair sometimes we can't even replace those parts.)
The fact that she looks so obviously modified or robotic suggests that the technology is more primitive than what existed in the 24th century.
(BTW, it hasn't been stated on screen AFAIK, so it's technically not canon yet, but the background material says she's a cybernetically augmented human.)
In her first appearance she looked like an ordinary human:
Then after the ship got blown up she looked like this:
So you're probably taking about this person:
There has been no in universe explanation, but the back ground material uniformly describes the character as a cyborg, though the specifics vary.
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It is more like the iPod came out before the 8 Track player.
So not seeing them has less to do with whether the tech exists than with whether people want to use it. We actually DID see at least one cybernetic human in TOS. She was blind and used cybernetics to see.
No that's not Dr. Pulaski.
Her dress had a network of sensors that let her see. The net effect was similar in principle to Geordi's Visor.
My character Tsin'xing
Miranda Jones character is a nice catch. I mean, as a reference for cybernetics. Oh, maybe also for the eyes. Even if she's blind. Err.. emm.
This. Again: more advanced technology tends to be less obtrusive. The fact that her prostheses, as well as Lieutenant Detmer's (she's the redhead with the computer thingy on the side of her head), are so clearly visible means they're not as advanced.
As a point of comparison, check out real-world prosthetic limbs. You've got the hook hand from pre-electricity times.
Next they develop a hook that can actually grasp something.
Nowadays they're fitting amputees with prostheses that can translate electrical signals from their remaining nerves, and look much more like actual human limbs.
They can even be fitted with a skin-like covering the way Luke Skywalker's was.
I do recall Tolian Soran asking Geordi if he'd prefer a prosthesis that would make him look "more normal", but then again Soran is the villain, so...
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