'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I really found the whole escape a bit too easy to pull off there, so I remain suspicious about it. I'd definitely take a look out for the Tribble (at this time, probably no one knows that Tribble and Klingons don't get along).
There is also some "meta" information that makes it suspicious, as I learned:
The actor who plays Voq (the Albino) and the actor who plays the escaped Lieutenant are different according to credits. But there were originally some different plans on who would play what role, and the actor playing the Lieutenant has only one role listed on his credit page, and the name might actually allude to the birth name of the actor playing Voq. And since Voq was supposed to "give up everything" in the last episode, and his slogan is "Remain Klingon", what if he really was just altered to look human to infiltrate them?
Yup. I like where your head is at.
The Klingons do use physically-altered spies in the 23rd-century, after all.
I was kinda enjoy the series, but the more I see of the Klingons, the more they kinda ruin it for me. This episode was a low point for me. I feel as if they took the complete design aesthetic of what is "Klingon" and threw it completely out the window, there was NOTHING familiar about the Klingon content of this episode... nothing. Even their behavior felt more like that of Romulans or Cardassians than Klingons.
IMHO I cannot accept this as part of the main Star Trek continuity, the differences in both visual style and the way they are written is too jarringly different. Even JJ trek stayed more true to the source material.
The only thing that convince me that this is prime universe Star Trek is if the Temporal Cold war reared its head as an explanation.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q
I still think the first two episodes seemed sub-par, but the last few episodes were enjoyable. I still think it was a mistake placing ST:D behind a paywall, alienating lots of potential followers, in my neck of the woods, USA, but oh well CBS & our American greed never ceases. ST:D has some strong characters, a good plot so far, the newly-styled Klingons down bother me too much since I'm enjoying their characters & culture as well, the visuals are really good, & I like how they're inputting some real science into the show like the tardigrade along with the concept of that spore-drive. I usually have to wait a couple of weeks to view the most recent ST:D episode unless I want to pay extra so I just keep up-to-date with The Orville instead & enjoy it too.
Also, good luck & be safe with the western-european hurricane from across the pond!
* Again with Burnham disobeying direct orders. It's getting old.
* When they have to spell it out that the Klingons really are smart, and not dumb at all, you know they're dumb. (And no, torture does not make one smart).
* Again a new episode of 'Spin the wheel.' Again, it's not Stargate.
It looks like the cure for TRIBBLE is The Orville.
F-Bombing just shows how low this thing will go. As for the spore drive, the idea seems more of a ripoff of the Protoculture Matrix and the Invid Flowers of Life from Robotech than anything else.
TRIBBLE's Michael Burnham's role and story can be summed up by this Michael:
How did the Klingons know where Lorca's shuttle was? Why was Lorca's shuttle not traveling at "warp"?
The D-7 "Prison-class" ship was interesting. I guess the Klingons in the Discovery-era made them to hold all the prisoners they did not take in those mass-murder "terror raids". With a crew of 30 to 40, I'm sure it was made for hit and run attacks, since there is no way it could stand up to any of Starfleet's larger vessels (presuming that the Discovery-era Starfleet has any ships with a crew size over 100).
* Again with Burnham disobeying direct orders. It's getting old.
* When they have to spell it out that the Klingons really are smart, and not dumb at all, you know they're dumb. (And no, torture does not make one smart).
* Again a new episode of 'Spin the wheel.' Again, it's not Stargate.
In Burnham's defense, disobeying orders to potentially abuse a sentient species to death MIGHT be a good reason to be "the rebel."
Doesn't fully redeem her, of course, but it might be warranted here.
I thought they were going to drag out the whole moral implications of using the spore drive when they know it causes pain and suffering to a living being for the rest of the season. Figured Lorca would have argued the "needs of the many" angle to continue using it. Guess I was wrong.
I don't get how Lorca destroys his previous command, killing his whole crew so they wouldn't be captured and yet HE survived?! And then Starfleet gives him command of their most advanced starship with a revolutionary new drive as a reward? DAFUQ??!!
The possibility that Tyler might be the Albino...if that plays out then props for the writing on that one.
Sorry. Still not sold on the Klingons as they're portrayed in TRIBBLE. I still don't understand why they needed a COMPLETE makeover. Perhaps a few changes would've been ok to reflect an earlier time period. But this? And their ship designs, again, DAFUQ?!
STO: Where men are men and the women probably are too.
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* Again with Burnham disobeying direct orders. It's getting old.
* When they have to spell it out that the Klingons really are smart, and not dumb at all, you know they're dumb. (And no, torture does not make one smart).
* Again a new episode of 'Spin the wheel.' Again, it's not Stargate.
In Burnham's defense, disobeying orders to potentially abuse a sentient species to death MIGHT be a good reason to be "the rebel."
Doesn't fully redeem her, of course, but it might be warranted here.
And you are right about that. In fact, she wasn't wrong in last week's Ep. either. It's just that it gets tiresome how the writers constantly set her up to be contrary to what her Captain wants. It shouldn't be needed: she already mutineered in the first Ep.: her mindset was established. It's really kinda lame to see her literally do it in every show.
* Again with Burnham disobeying direct orders. It's getting old.
* When they have to spell it out that the Klingons really are smart, and not dumb at all, you know they're dumb. (And no, torture does not make one smart).
* Again a new episode of 'Spin the wheel.' Again, it's not Stargate.
In Burnham's defense, disobeying orders to potentially abuse a sentient species to death MIGHT be a good reason to be "the rebel."
Doesn't fully redeem her, of course, but it might be warranted here.
And you are right about that. In fact, she wasn't wrong in last week's Ep. either. It's just that it gets tiresome how the writers constantly set her up to be contrary to what her Captain wants. It shouldn't be needed: she already mutineered in the first Ep.: her mindset was established. It's really kinda lame to see her literally do it in every show.
I've never met any captain in STO that made as bad a decision as we saw tonight. You have a new experimental drive that is a war winner. HQ is desparate to copy it and pouring resources into that. It all depends on one critter you've found and yet when the science crew reports that the critter is seriously ill from use, you just blow them off and assume this drive will keep working. WHAT?! Basically you're entire war effort involves keeping this critter alive at this point. The captain order his ship to dive deep into enemy space with no way to know if he could ever get out again. The most likely outcome of his decision was the ship would be captured by Klingons and his mission and the war a total failue. It only worked because the science team was able to jury rig something the CO had NO idea was possible. A really bad choice there.
The whole concept of the spore drive seems more fantasy than SF. The one interesting chracter is an alien that frankly shouldn't be on the ship as we have many other underutilized aliens that should have had priority for a ship spot. The lead character is someone I want off my ship. This is all getting old very fast.
Harry Mudd? I didn't care for the treatment of the character. He never struck me as traitor, just an oppertunist. The change was unwelcome. The D-7 is a particular insult to long time Star Trek fans. Is there a more iconic ship in all of science fiction, yet they change it for no good reason. I'm trying to give this a chance but this is all getting very old.
I have to ask, regarding the so-called "f-bomb", I never understood why this fries people's mind to the point they stop watching. What is going on here? Why are so many people conditioned to uphold "clean language" while tolerating actual bad things happening every day. The characters didn't even use it as a curse or insult but to express amazement.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I have to ask, regarding the so-called "f-bomb", I never understood why this fries people's mind to the point they stop watching. What is going on here? Why are so many people conditioned to uphold "clean language" while tolerating actual bad things happening every day. The characters didn't even use it as a curse or insult but to express amazement.
Probably not typical of the standards you'd expect for a starfleet officer. She also just stood there while Stamets repeated the comment which also seemed fairly childish for someone who is her superior.
I wouldn't expect that in the real world military, such behavior would be unacceptable and unprofessional and starfleet officers in general are usually serious about their duties.
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She's a cadet and he just discovered his life work. Both their minds were blown, I think it was believable.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
She's a cadet and he just discovered his life work. Both their minds were blown, I think it was believable.
That is one view. Another that could of been just as possible is Stamets would of stopped her after the comment and told her off as he has that ability as her superior. Shipboard discipline especially for a cadet is important.
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It looked like that at first, but he dorsn't strike me as the type. He's a scientist first and foremost and probably has a very selective view of discipline. Like ordering people to leave him alone whem they are bothersome, but if he connects to someone on some level it's not that big of a deal. Save Lorca (and that ridiculous Security chief that, ntw, gets no replacement xD), most personnel of Discovery fall in the spectrum of scientists and relief personnel first and probably enjoy a more relaxed tone.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I wouldn't expect that in the real world military, such behavior would be unacceptable and unprofessional and starfleet officers in general are usually serious about their duties.
This is a gross exaggeration. It's frowned on but not that greatly unless someone makes it standard practice.
To be fair it was the Doctor and Chief Engineer who came to the same conclusion about the creature.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I wouldn't expect that in the real world military, such behavior would be unacceptable and unprofessional and starfleet officers in general are usually serious about their duties.
This is a gross exaggeration. It's frowned on but not that greatly unless someone makes it standard practice.
thats my fear, that Discovery has become standard practice to let things slide a bit. even under captain Picard, he allowed people do what they needed to and gave them a little slack, but he always kept complete control by not allowing anyone to overstep. a simple warning isn't a problem and it kept simple.
I am likely overplaying my thoughts on the subject as you mentioned, but of all the trek series i have seen, i haven't seen a similar action to tilly's. Not even with Data on Generations.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I have to ask, regarding the so-called "f-bomb", I never understood why this fries people's mind to the point they stop watching.
Because:
a) lack of swearing in the previous series showed how far humanity has come. It was part of the picture for better future.
b) because it was not particularly appropriate in this situation - basically it was just another token to show: "oh, look, we have a very adult show now, all dark and gritty and with swearing"
* Again with Burnham disobeying direct orders. It's getting old.
* When they have to spell it out that the Klingons really are smart, and not dumb at all, you know they're dumb. (And no, torture does not make one smart).
* Again a new episode of 'Spin the wheel.' Again, it's not Stargate.
And what it with that D7, or whatever it's supposed to be?
ST Discovery: We don't give a smegging TRIBBLE about continuity or cannon!
Sorry, folks, but this is how I feel about the so-called D7
I really had my hopes up to see a genuine D7....even the JJ one would have fit better.
If they put in a constitution anywhere in this series, I think I am gonna be scared, rather than hopeful. T_T
Because:
a) lack of swearing in the previous series showed how humanity has come. It was part of the picture for better future.
b) because it was not particularly appropriate in this situation - basically it was just another token to show: "oh, look, we have a very adult show now, all dark and gritty and with swearing"
I disagree. It shows individuality and self-determination - being enlightened doesn't mean you can't swear, it's just human after all. Also, as I outlined above, it was believable given the circumstances of what just happened. And it was also era-appropriate, people always claim Trek has to evolve with our present time but if it does it's not right either?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yup. I like where your head is at.
The Klingons do use physically-altered spies in the 23rd-century, after all.
And that would be an interesting way to make the Tribble a useful plot point, beyond fan-service-y set dressing.
IMHO I cannot accept this as part of the main Star Trek continuity, the differences in both visual style and the way they are written is too jarringly different. Even JJ trek stayed more true to the source material.
The only thing that convince me that this is prime universe Star Trek is if the Temporal Cold war reared its head as an explanation.
Also, good luck & be safe with the western-european hurricane from across the pond!
* When they have to spell it out that the Klingons really are smart, and not dumb at all, you know they're dumb. (And no, torture does not make one smart).
* Again a new episode of 'Spin the wheel.' Again, it's not Stargate.
F-Bombing just shows how low this thing will go. As for the spore drive, the idea seems more of a ripoff of the Protoculture Matrix and the Invid Flowers of Life from Robotech than anything else.
TRIBBLE's Michael Burnham's role and story can be summed up by this Michael:
I am all for that as long as we realize that we have been watching the Mirror Universe story and they start to show us the Roddenberry Trek.
The D-7 "Prison-class" ship was interesting. I guess the Klingons in the Discovery-era made them to hold all the prisoners they did not take in those mass-murder "terror raids". With a crew of 30 to 40, I'm sure it was made for hit and run attacks, since there is no way it could stand up to any of Starfleet's larger vessels (presuming that the Discovery-era Starfleet has any ships with a crew size over 100).
In Burnham's defense, disobeying orders to potentially abuse a sentient species to death MIGHT be a good reason to be "the rebel."
Doesn't fully redeem her, of course, but it might be warranted here.
I don't get how Lorca destroys his previous command, killing his whole crew so they wouldn't be captured and yet HE survived?! And then Starfleet gives him command of their most advanced starship with a revolutionary new drive as a reward? DAFUQ??!!
The possibility that Tyler might be the Albino...if that plays out then props for the writing on that one.
Sorry. Still not sold on the Klingons as they're portrayed in TRIBBLE. I still don't understand why they needed a COMPLETE makeover. Perhaps a few changes would've been ok to reflect an earlier time period. But this? And their ship designs, again, DAFUQ?!
I support the Star Trek Battles channel.
And you are right about that. In fact, she wasn't wrong in last week's Ep. either. It's just that it gets tiresome how the writers constantly set her up to be contrary to what her Captain wants. It shouldn't be needed: she already mutineered in the first Ep.: her mindset was established. It's really kinda lame to see her literally do it in every show.
Ah, I see. Gotcha.
The whole concept of the spore drive seems more fantasy than SF. The one interesting chracter is an alien that frankly shouldn't be on the ship as we have many other underutilized aliens that should have had priority for a ship spot. The lead character is someone I want off my ship. This is all getting old very fast.
Harry Mudd? I didn't care for the treatment of the character. He never struck me as traitor, just an oppertunist. The change was unwelcome. The D-7 is a particular insult to long time Star Trek fans. Is there a more iconic ship in all of science fiction, yet they change it for no good reason. I'm trying to give this a chance but this is all getting very old.
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Probably not typical of the standards you'd expect for a starfleet officer. She also just stood there while Stamets repeated the comment which also seemed fairly childish for someone who is her superior.
I wouldn't expect that in the real world military, such behavior would be unacceptable and unprofessional and starfleet officers in general are usually serious about their duties.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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That is one view. Another that could of been just as possible is Stamets would of stopped her after the comment and told her off as he has that ability as her superior. Shipboard discipline especially for a cadet is important.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
thats my fear, that Discovery has become standard practice to let things slide a bit. even under captain Picard, he allowed people do what they needed to and gave them a little slack, but he always kept complete control by not allowing anyone to overstep. a simple warning isn't a problem and it kept simple.
I am likely overplaying my thoughts on the subject as you mentioned, but of all the trek series i have seen, i haven't seen a similar action to tilly's. Not even with Data on Generations.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
a) lack of swearing in the previous series showed how far humanity has come. It was part of the picture for better future.
b) because it was not particularly appropriate in this situation - basically it was just another token to show: "oh, look, we have a very adult show now, all dark and gritty and with swearing"
And what it with that D7, or whatever it's supposed to be?
ST Discovery: We don't give a smegging TRIBBLE about continuity or cannon!
Sorry, folks, but this is how I feel about the so-called D7
I really had my hopes up to see a genuine D7....even the JJ one would have fit better.
If they put in a constitution anywhere in this series, I think I am gonna be scared, rather than hopeful. T_T
I disagree. It shows individuality and self-determination - being enlightened doesn't mean you can't swear, it's just human after all. Also, as I outlined above, it was believable given the circumstances of what just happened. And it was also era-appropriate, people always claim Trek has to evolve with our present time but if it does it's not right either?
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