> @mhall85 said: > mustrumridcully0 wrote: » > > patrickngo wrote: » > > smokebailey wrote: » > > mirrorchaos wrote: » > > smokebailey wrote: » > > mirrorchaos wrote: » > > I had an interesting thought earlier in the day after reading up about L'Rell and her human consort. It's about the Klingons we know from TNG onwards: What if these Klingons are not true Klingons? What if they are a specific intentional breeding programme to preserve the Klingon species that could be dying by combining Klingon DNA with Human DNA, the pure breed Klingons the ones in Discovery could be very few in numbers with no way to reproduce or some other reason and their numbers are just too few to coninue and the war between the Empire and Federation is the result of these progenitor Klingons dying rather than expansion or fear or the Federation's rising influence. > > What if all this intentional breeding has been going on for severeal centuries and the Klingons we saw in Enterprise are the second or third generation of these mixed breed Klingons we all know? > > It is a crazy conspiracy, but one i have been thinking of for a few hours. > > > > > Kahless looked nothing like these guys. I think he was a pure breed klingon. > > > > > like anything with zealots and belief especially with klingons, exaggeration is a useful tool in storytelling. If these TNG Klingons know the secrets of their past, adding some human dna to the pure breed kahless, it would be half a clone so he doesn't stand out. > > it's an interesting point how little we know of klingons besides their honor and fighting, we know little of the history besides what it told in stories. > > > > > so far, we've YET to see any of these Discovery Fetish Convention Klingons, not one. If we saw some in other series, fine...but we've not. > > > > > Problem: You're still hoping theyre going to somehow address how these differences exist, when it's just a retcon. I mean, if the physical changes didn't do it, having them do everything abhorrent on screen with NO honour, or historical tie, should have, and if that didn't do it, the comletely-not-a-D7-D7 should've made it absolutely clear. > > Teh only thing they kept were a few words and the language, everything else was changed to destroy, erase, or annihilate anything and everything that was actually interesting, cultural or cool about Klingons. They're just another savage space monster now, one with bad teeth and fixed, unchanging faces. > > > > > The Klingons from the TOS era didn't seem very honor-focused to me. And that continues into the TOS movies. > > Maybe you just have to consider the possibility t hat the Klingon culture was actually not static and that there were times were the didn't all subscribe to the Viking Samurai culture. And we know from DS9 that the Klingons have no issue rewriting their history when it suits themt. > > > > > *slow clap* > > See, this is why I look at TNG with a bit of jaundice eye, these days. It still has GREAT stories, but Sweet Christmas, the franchise can't move without tripping over TNG. > > The boys on Mission Log even pointed out, during their TOS run, that the Klingons sometimes acted like Romulans. And it's true. This is why I'm trying to take Discovery in from the perspective of the 23rd century only (and, for that matter, the 23rd century as viewed from 2017, not necessarily 1966 or 1987).
The TOS Klingons were different than TNG Klingons and not just in looks.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
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> patrickngo wrote: »
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> smokebailey wrote: »
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> mirrorchaos wrote: »
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> smokebailey wrote: »
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> mirrorchaos wrote: »
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> I had an interesting thought earlier in the day after reading up about L'Rell and her human consort. It's about the Klingons we know from TNG onwards: What if these Klingons are not true Klingons? What if they are a specific intentional breeding programme to preserve the Klingon species that could be dying by combining Klingon DNA with Human DNA, the pure breed Klingons the ones in Discovery could be very few in numbers with no way to reproduce or some other reason and their numbers are just too few to coninue and the war between the Empire and Federation is the result of these progenitor Klingons dying rather than expansion or fear or the Federation's rising influence.
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> What if all this intentional breeding has been going on for severeal centuries and the Klingons we saw in Enterprise are the second or third generation of these mixed breed Klingons we all know?
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> It is a crazy conspiracy, but one i have been thinking of for a few hours.
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> Kahless looked nothing like these guys. I think he was a pure breed klingon.
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> like anything with zealots and belief especially with klingons, exaggeration is a useful tool in storytelling. If these TNG Klingons know the secrets of their past, adding some human dna to the pure breed kahless, it would be half a clone so he doesn't stand out.
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> it's an interesting point how little we know of klingons besides their honor and fighting, we know little of the history besides what it told in stories.
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> so far, we've YET to see any of these Discovery Fetish Convention Klingons, not one. If we saw some in other series, fine...but we've not.
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> Problem: You're still hoping theyre going to somehow address how these differences exist, when it's just a retcon. I mean, if the physical changes didn't do it, having them do everything abhorrent on screen with NO honour, or historical tie, should have, and if that didn't do it, the comletely-not-a-D7-D7 should've made it absolutely clear.
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> Teh only thing they kept were a few words and the language, everything else was changed to destroy, erase, or annihilate anything and everything that was actually interesting, cultural or cool about Klingons. They're just another savage space monster now, one with bad teeth and fixed, unchanging faces.
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> The Klingons from the TOS era didn't seem very honor-focused to me. And that continues into the TOS movies.
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> Maybe you just have to consider the possibility t hat the Klingon culture was actually not static and that there were times were the didn't all subscribe to the Viking Samurai culture. And we know from DS9 that the Klingons have no issue rewriting their history when it suits themt.
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> *slow clap*
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> See, this is why I look at TNG with a bit of jaundice eye, these days. It still has GREAT stories, but Sweet Christmas, the franchise can't move without tripping over TNG.
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> The boys on Mission Log even pointed out, during their TOS run, that the Klingons sometimes acted like Romulans. And it's true. This is why I'm trying to take Discovery in from the perspective of the 23rd century only (and, for that matter, the 23rd century as viewed from 2017, not necessarily 1966 or 1987).
The TOS Klingons were different than TNG Klingons and not just in looks.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Or, in the immortal words of Tilly: 'ST Discovery: where we don't give a TRIBBLE about continuity or canon!' :P