discovery klinks take place before kirk... pre-augment. kirk is post augment. movie+ is politically correct version/next gen version. so after they "cure" the augment virus they get their ridges back but still have facial hair and look more human than lizard. so they are happy they get their ridges back and settle for that. /shrug
me, i'd just ignore the tv limits of the 60s and just tell the story... i dont care of they make it a running joke and change the look of the klingons or every other race each season...
They started messing with augmentation in Archer's time, and the human DNA is just the only one we know of. There's plenty of room for different sects, socioeconomic classes, and regionally isolated Klingons to look different from TNG and TOS.
Well I am starting to think that the thing that the Discovery (and Glenn) is working on will get out of control and cause the Klingons to alter appearance to the TOS version directly or to the normal version that then goes to the TOS version due to the augment virus.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
When I saw the Pilot episode of "TRIBBLE" (and isn't THAT a good name for it?), my first thought was, "Oh my god, these are Orc/Drow halfbreeds!"
Seriously...they even have the Drow 'spider-webby' design patterns all over the place. I thought it was supposed to be Star Trek, not "Dungeons & Dragons in Space"?
In a way, I'm kind of glad that CBS has locked this thing up behind a paywall, that way I am not tempted to look at it again, like picking at a scab. As a Science Fiction show, it wasn't so bad, and I enjoyed it as that. But it is NOT a Star Trek show to me, not even close.
That was the Prelude, the 'Pilot' for the Series was really 'Context is for Kings'.
The official abbreviation for the Series is DSC not TRIBBLE. The use of TRIBBLE is getting to the same level of annoyance as 'Delta Rising is the best Expansion ever and the players love it'.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The official abbreviation for the Series is DSC not TRIBBLE. The use of TRIBBLE is getting to the same level of annoyance as 'Delta Rising is the best Expansion ever and the players love it'.
Bryan Fuller originally abbreviated it "TRIBBLE" before John van Citters of CBS took to Twitter to say that the new series was changed to "DSC".
Some fans just really like Fuller's work. Also, retcons happen in Trek so often, I have a hard time blaming fans for sticking with their preferred version.
The official abbreviation for the Series is DSC not TRIBBLE. The use of TRIBBLE is getting to the same level of annoyance as 'Delta Rising is the best Expansion ever and the players love it'.
The use of 'TRIBBLE' is natural, whereas DSC (I don't even know what that stands for) feels contrived and done for no greater reason than to avoid saying 'TRIBBLE' -- after you which can only conclude that some studio idiots should have thought of the abbreviation issue *before* naming the show.
I've been preferring DIS as the abbreviation. It's like the other one word shows, VOY - Voyager and ENT - Enterprise. Plus, you can just feel the rest of the name when you read and say the first syllable.
To get back in topic though, I genuinely dislike the new Klingon look. I mean, there's no in-universe explanation for why they suddenly turned blue; They got the flu back in Enterprise and subsequently prevented from spreading it in the same episode. It was very apparent that they were changed to look human, and that was it. And you can't pretend that this was a limitation of TOS. In DS9, they head back in time to the same era and the Klingons are still human-looking.
I don't see the need to feature these Klingons any further than a little costume choice they can sweep under the rug when it's out.
If it was meant normally fine but it is being used to be 'cute'.
Who said anything about 'hate'. The only 'hate' around here is from the people who don't like the show.
John Van Citters has chosen "DSC" as the series' official abbreviation. This is consistent with the studio's use of "VGR" for Star Trek: Voyager, but Memory Alpha will use the abbreviation "DIS" for Discovery, for consistency with using "VOY" for Voyager.
Van Citters became from 2006 onward Vice President, Product Development at CBS Consumer Products, managing licensed publications, which included the plethora of Star Trek merchandise....
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Hating something and not liking something isn't exactly the same thing, it's not entirely fair to say that everyone who doesn't like Discovery actually hates it.
The use of 'TRIBBLE' is natural, whereas DSC (I don't even know what that stands for) feels contrived and done for no greater reason than to avoid saying 'TRIBBLE' -- after you which can only conclude that some studio idiots should have thought of the abbreviation issue *before* naming the show.
I agree...
They did not have to use the word "Discovery" at all.
I think they wanted to use a word in the title to associate to "having found through a search or exploration".
Which would be great for a Star Trek show.....
Until, uh, someone picked the storyline that isn't matching the title.
As for the new Klingon looks.... the ridges on the forehead very detailed and interesting. Would love those as options. As far as: skull shapes and facial features not interested. Costumes: too ceremonial...I mean jeweled spikes and collars, fancy filigree and ornamentation does not scream out a being useful, especially in battle.
Now..for OFF DUTY...hey I wouldn't mind some bejeweled options for my Klingon ladies.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Again, who said anything about 'command'. I only expressed that the use was getting to the point of overuse as did the Delta Rising meme. Use TRIBBLE all you want.
In some cases the use by some (no one here) reminds me of Fifth Graders who see a bird, called a 'bo*by', in National Geograpic and snicker to each other about 'bo*bies' and use the term out loud and then say they were only talking about birds.
'A bo*by is a seabird in the genus Sula, part of the Sulidae family. Bo*bies are closely related to the gannets, which were formerly included in Sula.'
Who made the syllogism about all those who dislike the show hate it? Not I. That is the syllogism problem.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Incidentally, us lot on console need to see the sliders for this. I know stobot posted about the PC method copy/pasting the screenshot thing, but that does not work for consoles.
Also, as of today (so it seems) the screenshot and saved outfits slots have stopped working on PC.
Also, as of today (so it seems) the screenshot and saved outfits slots have stopped working on PC.
Eh, that's been broken, for a while on the KDF side. I quit using it a while ago.
That is why I rarely change costumes on my characters at all. Whatever is in the 3 main costume slots is my choices. Not saved extras to reload, anywhere. I have several sitting there, supposedly saved....but the tailor is not able to access at all.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I really hope we do not get the new looking Klingons. I really dislike the look for a few reasons, 1st reason is over use of prosthetics which takes away from the actor being able to give us facial expressions or emotions, that was one of the things that made the Klingons stand out in TNG, DS9 etc. 2nd the armor looks just bad, it completly covers the actor once again which hiders their abilty to move and use body language, also it just looks too archaic. 3rd the ships and weapons, the ships just never had that klingon feel to em and looked more like flying junk just thrown together, the weapons also looked bad too me, like the bat'leth it was more of a stabing weapon then a slashing weapon, so with it being more of a stabbing weapon with the way it is designed it would be a poorly effective weapon to be used in combat. and lastly the whole idea of the Klingons is the Jar Jar Abbrams idea of ooo this looks kool but not effective at all.
Oh yay something else we have had TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY,ENT and now we all have a TRIBBLE BWAHAHAHA
These new Klingons are cool. They would beat the **** out of the Klingons from the other shows. Except for Worf and Martag, those two were legit bada$$es.
Old Klingons were better. They had a bit of an unoriginal design, but what thy lacked in looks, they made up for with legitimate character and not being made of rubber.
I agree the Enterprise (TV) Series, Khan+, and TNG Klingon's consistent across the breadth of the entire timeline except TOS (60's) when makeup wasn't as good was explained by Enterprise as Augment Virus.
Regardless... I agree with you disqord I think Old or Klingon's as they've mostly been portrayed were far better. I think they would have been better served with several new Klingon uniforms based on the House they serve within even if there are common elements.
It's almost horrible they made this drastic change to a familiar look which is going to be difficult to explain why they look one way on Enterprise, then in Discovery appear completely different, then we have Augment Klingon's in ToS, then with Khan and the Movies / TNG they back as they were on Enterprise.
The use of 'TRIBBLE' is natural, whereas DSC (I don't even know what that stands for) feels contrived and done for no greater reason than to avoid saying 'TRIBBLE' -- after you which can only conclude that some studio idiots should have thought of the abbreviation issue *before* naming the show.
I agree...
They did not have to use the word "Discovery" at all.
I think they wanted to use a word in the title to associate to "having found through a search or exploration".
Which would be great for a Star Trek show.....
Until, uh, someone picked the storyline that isn't matching the title.
As for the new Klingon looks.... the ridges on the forehead very detailed and interesting. Would love those as options. As far as: skull shapes and facial features not interested. Costumes: too ceremonial...I mean jeweled spikes and collars, fancy filigree and ornamentation does not scream out a being useful, especially in battle.
Now..for OFF DUTY...hey I wouldn't mind some bejeweled options for my Klingon ladies.
Maybe I'm cynical in my old age, but I think it was named ST Discovery on purpose. They knew it would get people talking about the show. Even if it was people making jokes about it (TRIBBLE). Any publicity is good publicity as the old saying goes.
Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't put it past studios these days to dip to such great lows... I can see it now... some brainiac in the marketing department thought it was a sure fire way to get people talking about the show and convinced the others it was a good idea.
all while studiously removing everything that made Klingons iconic from the species. Instead of Mercurial, passionate, aggressive, blunt, 'kick me if you dare' warriors, they gave us ritualistic, slow moving paste-slug Ork wannabees.
These new Klingons are cool. They would beat the **** out of the Klingons from the other shows. Except for Worf and Martag, those two were legit bada$$es.
Old Klingons were better. They had a bit of an unoriginal design, but what thy lacked in looks, they made up for with legitimate character and not being made of rubber.
I agree the Enterprise (TV) Series, Khan+, and TNG Klingon's consistent across the breadth of the entire timeline except TOS (60's) when makeup wasn't as good was explained by Enterprise as Augment Virus.
Regardless... I agree with you disqord I think Old or Klingon's as they've mostly been portrayed were far better. I think they would have been better served with several new Klingon uniforms based on the House they serve within even if there are common elements.
It's almost horrible they made this drastic change to a familiar look which is going to be difficult to explain why they look one way on Enterprise, then in Discovery appear completely different, then we have Augment Klingon's in ToS, then with Khan and the Movies / TNG they back as they were on Enterprise.
It's good to remember that each star trek show is different and has different stuff in it.
People seem shocked and appalled that they are discovering new stuff about star trek in the show "Star Trek: Discovery" and it doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Cant you read the title of the show?
Your argument would hold water, if it was a matter of 'discovering' a separate ethnicity or subgroup, rather than being a 'complete and total replacement' as ST:D's own showrunners stated. (they were actually caught by surprise when people objected, as evidenced in the ST:LV panel discussions that made it onto the web.)
as it stands, your argument doesn't hold water. It's a full-on replacement, not the uncovering of something intended to be 'new'.
Have you ever seen star trek before? There's always different stuff between different shows.
Trills don't have spots, they have facial ridges, and nobody knows anything about them.
Then they don't have facial ridges, they have spots, and people know all about them since they are famous.
Romulans don't have ridges in their heads, then they do.
Cardassians wear helmets and have moustaches, then they don't.
Ferengis are one thing, then suddenly they are completely different.
Klingons look one way, then they look completely different.
Bajorans have weird eyebrows, then suddenly they dont any more.
Borg are one thing, then they are something different.
Data is a special unique thing, then any computer can be just like data.
This, that, this, that, this, that.
Welcome to star trek!
But it's just shocking, shocking! That Star Trek Discovery has new stuff for your to discover.
These new Klingons are cool. They would beat the **** out of the Klingons from the other shows. Except for Worf and Martag, those two were legit bada$$es.
Old Klingons were better. They had a bit of an unoriginal design, but what thy lacked in looks, they made up for with legitimate character and not being made of rubber.
I agree the Enterprise (TV) Series, Khan+, and TNG Klingon's consistent across the breadth of the entire timeline except TOS (60's) when makeup wasn't as good was explained by Enterprise as Augment Virus.
Regardless... I agree with you disqord I think Old or Klingon's as they've mostly been portrayed were far better. I think they would have been better served with several new Klingon uniforms based on the House they serve within even if there are common elements.
It's almost horrible they made this drastic change to a familiar look which is going to be difficult to explain why they look one way on Enterprise, then in Discovery appear completely different, then we have Augment Klingon's in ToS, then with Khan and the Movies / TNG they back as they were on Enterprise.
It's good to remember that each star trek show is different and has different stuff in it.
People seem shocked and appalled that they are discovering new stuff about star trek in the show "Star Trek: Discovery" and it doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Cant you read the title of the show?
Your argument would hold water, if it was a matter of 'discovering' a separate ethnicity or subgroup, rather than being a 'complete and total replacement' as ST:D's own showrunners stated. (they were actually caught by surprise when people objected, as evidenced in the ST:LV panel discussions that made it onto the web.)
as it stands, your argument doesn't hold water. It's a full-on replacement, not the uncovering of something intended to be 'new'.
Have you ever seen star trek before? There's always different stuff between different shows.
Trills don't have spots, they have facial ridges, and nobody knows anything about them.
Then they don't have facial ridges, they have spots, and people know all about them since they are famous.
Romulans don't have ridges in their heads, then they do.
Cardassians wear helmets and have moustaches, then they don't.
Ferengis are one thing, then suddenly they are completely different.
Klingons look one way, then they look completely different.
Bajorans have weird eyebrows, then suddenly they dont any more.
Borg are one thing, then they are something different.
Data is a special unique thing, then any computer can be just like data.
This, that, this, that, this, that.
Welcome to star trek!
But it's just shocking, shocking! That Star Trek Discovery has new stuff for your to discover.
Helmets and moustaches and eyebrows are grooming issues, not major shifts in biology, the 'romulan ridges' are a haircut issue, Ferengi biology didn't change, just their politics, and that was mainly because they were kind of a joke when they were introduced, and the borg thing was a completely stupid move by a writer who didn't 'get' them in one of the craptastic TNG movies, but it did get us some nice T&A with Seven of Nine *(necessary at the time to save Voyager from the ratings ash-heap).
The shift between TOS and TNG klingons was explained on-screen, and to a certain extent, they at least used enough pseudoscientific **** to make it somewhat palatable.
but this time, the change was explicitly replacing all of those prior Klingon appearances.
your attitude mirrors the showrunners there- "We felt like it and it's not a big deal and why are people annoyed by this it's not a big deal!!"
We can also look at how "OFTEN" those previous appearances happened before things were changed. The eyebrow th ing with Bajorans didn't survive past Ro Laren's second appearance, facial hair on Cardies is a grooming thing and may tie into local fashion, (and only happened in 2 episodes early on), Ferengi society underwent change 'on screen' throughout Deep Space Nine, but it was evolutionary changes and fit with the capitalistic society as described in their first appearance (one of the reasons the "Yankee Traders" were successful, was their ability to adapt to markets).
Klingons...
looked one way for a few appearances in TOS, then looked another way for 20-plus years of first-run television, including one of the most iconic characters in the entire IP (mister Worf), a specific look, specific biology, for over twenty years, extending into four series total, over a dozen movies, etc. etc.
Worf, in particular, has more screen-time than Spock. (or vulcans in general) so...what about a nice updated 'look' for Vulcans, hmmm? we can give them big, black eyes and gray skin and faerie wings, because obviously they're alien, so let's make 'em alien, right?? you know, big headed GRAY alien.
of course not. That would be stupid.
ST:D's team spent a lot of time, money and effort to make record-cover/skateboard-art "Klingons" that look badass in still photos, but once the image is in motion, they're slow, arthritic, and ridiculous,both in their inability to express emotions, and their inability to move or act. The art department made "Alien" weapons that are completely and totally impractical, even impossible to use effectively, but would look like what was "awesum" on the cover of some 80s hair-metal record sleeve.
all while studiously removing everything that made Klingons iconic from the species. Instead of Mercurial, passionate, aggressive, blunt, 'kick me if you dare' warriors, they gave us ritualistic, slow moving paste-slug Ork wannabees.
its called Star Trek DISCOVERY you are DISCOVERING new things about star trek how hard is this to figure out man?
What, that the showrunners are idiots? That the art department can spend a lot of money to make something boring?? Help me out here, what am I supposed to be 'discovering'??
New things about star trek you didn't know before, for example about how klingons look and act
except these don't look, or act, like Klingons. They speak the right language, but everything else is completely off-and why would I WANT to discover these? they're boring, clumsy and incompetent.
^^ 100% agreed. These are humans in a gorilla suit; aka, 'masks.' (Which was funny for Pizza the Hutt, where you could see the holes for the human eyes: but there it was *meant* to be funny).
What is there to discover? that at some point before Kor became a speaking role, the Klingons were incompetent, lemming-like figures armed by idiots and led by an arthritic moron?
I'm not passing judgement here. Just like the TOS Klingons, they can add them as an appearance option for Klingons. I tend to RP when I can here. I've ran in to klingons that are insults to klingons. I've ran in to those that play ridgeless ones, i.e. their family adapted to the augment virus. Ones that play the more stereotypical klingons. And those like me, that play the more thoughtful klingons.
The ritualistic nature is present in all of these. It's comes with the lore. So it isn't to far fetched that some klingon houses would be more ritualistic than others. That is normal.
The main thing that irks me here, is the appearance. While I can live with it, it still begs a coherent explanation. The differences in appearance between houses, I can run with that to. But with their cloistered attitude, I can't help but think that the overall difference may be a product of in-breeding. Which lends a bit more credibility to the differences in how they look between houses, and other klingons, than the designs half-assed explanantion. You know, trying to breed the perfect klingon so to speak. Which we also know, to much in-breeding does cause serious health and mental problems, as well as genetic deformities. If you look at it from this angle, it kind of makes more sense.
I already explained what is going to happen, the thing that the Discovery is working on is going to go haywire and the Klingons will be mutated by it.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
What is there to discover? that at some point before Kor became a speaking role, the Klingons were incompetent, lemming-like figures armed by idiots and led by an arthritic moron?
I'm not passing judgement here. Just like the TOS Klingons, they can add them as an appearance option for Klingons. I tend to RP when I can here. I've ran in to klingons that are insults to klingons. I've ran in to those that play ridgeless ones, i.e. their family adapted to the augment virus. Ones that play the more stereotypical klingons. And those like me, that play the more thoughtful klingons.
The ritualistic nature is present in all of these. It's comes with the lore. So it isn't to far fetched that some klingon houses would be more ritualistic than others. That is normal.
The main thing that irks me here, is the appearance. While I can live with it, it still begs a coherent explanation. The differences in appearance between houses, I can run with that to. But with their cloistered attitude, I can't help but think that the overall difference may be a product of in-breeding. Which lends a bit more credibility to the differences in how they look between houses, and other klingons, than the designs half-assed explanantion. You know, trying to breed the perfect klingon so to speak. Which we also know, to much in-breeding does cause serious health and mental problems, as well as genetic deformities. If you look at it from this angle, it kind of makes more sense.
if they used THAT explanation, or a variation of it, it wouldn't be a replacement, and it WOULD be something to "Discover". but they didn't and they won't.
They really don't have to if you put the pieces together.
Cloistered and unaffected by the augment virus. This means they've been segregated from the other klingons and species for a while now. By doing this, they've also limited themselves as to who they can mate with. Their archaic manner of dress and highly ritualistic nature makes me think, they're still stuck at the beginning of the rise of the warrior caste. Which this came about, sometime after Kahless the Unforgettable left Qo'nos. If I had to hazard a guess, maybe two or three hundred years after Kahless left. We have to use the Klingon calendar here, so we have to take into account that it's longer. So, figure 1000 Earth standard years ago is when the Warrior caste rose to power among the klingons.
Now from here, we have to take in to account that Klingon children reach maturity faster than other species. They reach maturity at the same time a human child reaches about 8-9 years old. Using that means a new generation is born at a minimum of every 10 years. This means in that time of separation from the other klingons, there is a maximum of 100 generations. That's a lot of room for genetic differences to become readily apparent, resulting in the klingons we see in Discovery.
No explanation is needed. The low point of enterprise was the contrived nonsense for why the klingons look different.
They look different because different shows are made at different times, by different people with different budgets.
Its also why TNG stuff looks different from TOS stuff and different from stuff made even more recently.
Different actors can play the same role in a piece without changing the story.
except that the role is completely different in every particular except language and a few names. and that the showrunners already said that THIS is what all the Klingons look like now-and have always/will always look like going forward, minus some clothing differences.
then that's what klingons look like now, its not the first time this has happened with klingons in star trek you know.
Imagine that... something new to discover! In Star Trek Discovery!!!!!
Well, up until TOS and the Augment Virus. Then we already know what they look like there and after. But that also doesn't explain why they look different than the ENT Klingons. You know the Klingons that existed before Discovery.
It's better to just look at them like the Romulans and Vulcans. Mostly the same, but with some genetic and appearance differences.
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me, i'd just ignore the tv limits of the 60s and just tell the story... i dont care of they make it a running joke and change the look of the klingons or every other race each season...
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Seriously...they even have the Drow 'spider-webby' design patterns all over the place. I thought it was supposed to be Star Trek, not "Dungeons & Dragons in Space"?
In a way, I'm kind of glad that CBS has locked this thing up behind a paywall, that way I am not tempted to look at it again, like picking at a scab. As a Science Fiction show, it wasn't so bad, and I enjoyed it as that. But it is NOT a Star Trek show to me, not even close.
The official abbreviation for the Series is DSC not TRIBBLE. The use of TRIBBLE is getting to the same level of annoyance as 'Delta Rising is the best Expansion ever and the players love it'.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Some fans just really like Fuller's work. Also, retcons happen in Trek so often, I have a hard time blaming fans for sticking with their preferred version.
The use of 'TRIBBLE' is natural, whereas DSC (I don't even know what that stands for) feels contrived and done for no greater reason than to avoid saying 'TRIBBLE' -- after you which can only conclude that some studio idiots should have thought of the abbreviation issue *before* naming the show.
To get back in topic though, I genuinely dislike the new Klingon look. I mean, there's no in-universe explanation for why they suddenly turned blue; They got the flu back in Enterprise and subsequently prevented from spreading it in the same episode. It was very apparent that they were changed to look human, and that was it. And you can't pretend that this was a limitation of TOS. In DS9, they head back in time to the same era and the Klingons are still human-looking.
I don't see the need to feature these Klingons any further than a little costume choice they can sweep under the rug when it's out.
If it was meant normally fine but it is being used to be 'cute'.
Who said anything about 'hate'. The only 'hate' around here is from the people who don't like the show.
John Van Citters has chosen "DSC" as the series' official abbreviation. This is consistent with the studio's use of "VGR" for Star Trek: Voyager, but Memory Alpha will use the abbreviation "DIS" for Discovery, for consistency with using "VOY" for Voyager.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jvancitters/status/756983274208198656
Van Citters became from 2006 onward Vice President, Product Development at CBS Consumer Products, managing licensed publications, which included the plethora of Star Trek merchandise....
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I agree...
They did not have to use the word "Discovery" at all.
I think they wanted to use a word in the title to associate to "having found through a search or exploration".
Which would be great for a Star Trek show.....
Until, uh, someone picked the storyline that isn't matching the title.
As for the new Klingon looks.... the ridges on the forehead very detailed and interesting. Would love those as options. As far as: skull shapes and facial features not interested. Costumes: too ceremonial...I mean jeweled spikes and collars, fancy filigree and ornamentation does not scream out a being useful, especially in battle.
Now..for OFF DUTY...hey I wouldn't mind some bejeweled options for my Klingon ladies.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
In some cases the use by some (no one here) reminds me of Fifth Graders who see a bird, called a 'bo*by', in National Geograpic and snicker to each other about 'bo*bies' and use the term out loud and then say they were only talking about birds.
'A bo*by is a seabird in the genus Sula, part of the Sulidae family. Bo*bies are closely related to the gannets, which were formerly included in Sula.'
Who made the syllogism about all those who dislike the show hate it? Not I. That is the syllogism problem.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Also, as of today (so it seems) the screenshot and saved outfits slots have stopped working on PC.
Eh, that's been broken, for a while on the KDF side. I quit using it a while ago.
That is why I rarely change costumes on my characters at all. Whatever is in the 3 main costume slots is my choices. Not saved extras to reload, anywhere. I have several sitting there, supposedly saved....but the tailor is not able to access at all.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Oh yay something else we have had TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY,ENT and now we all have a TRIBBLE BWAHAHAHA
I agree the Enterprise (TV) Series, Khan+, and TNG Klingon's consistent across the breadth of the entire timeline except TOS (60's) when makeup wasn't as good was explained by Enterprise as Augment Virus.
Regardless... I agree with you disqord I think Old or Klingon's as they've mostly been portrayed were far better. I think they would have been better served with several new Klingon uniforms based on the House they serve within even if there are common elements.
It's almost horrible they made this drastic change to a familiar look which is going to be difficult to explain why they look one way on Enterprise, then in Discovery appear completely different, then we have Augment Klingon's in ToS, then with Khan and the Movies / TNG they back as they were on Enterprise.
Maybe I'm cynical in my old age, but I think it was named ST Discovery on purpose. They knew it would get people talking about the show. Even if it was people making jokes about it (TRIBBLE). Any publicity is good publicity as the old saying goes.
Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't put it past studios these days to dip to such great lows... I can see it now... some brainiac in the marketing department thought it was a sure fire way to get people talking about the show and convinced the others it was a good idea.
Could be wrong. But sadly, probably not.
^^ 100% agreed. These are humans in a gorilla suit; aka, 'masks.' (Which was funny for Pizza the Hutt, where you could see the holes for the human eyes: but there it was *meant* to be funny).
F* you, Cryptic, for still not having fixed the edit bug!
I'm not passing judgement here. Just like the TOS Klingons, they can add them as an appearance option for Klingons. I tend to RP when I can here. I've ran in to klingons that are insults to klingons. I've ran in to those that play ridgeless ones, i.e. their family adapted to the augment virus. Ones that play the more stereotypical klingons. And those like me, that play the more thoughtful klingons.
The ritualistic nature is present in all of these. It's comes with the lore. So it isn't to far fetched that some klingon houses would be more ritualistic than others. That is normal.
The main thing that irks me here, is the appearance. While I can live with it, it still begs a coherent explanation. The differences in appearance between houses, I can run with that to. But with their cloistered attitude, I can't help but think that the overall difference may be a product of in-breeding. Which lends a bit more credibility to the differences in how they look between houses, and other klingons, than the designs half-assed explanantion. You know, trying to breed the perfect klingon so to speak. Which we also know, to much in-breeding does cause serious health and mental problems, as well as genetic deformities. If you look at it from this angle, it kind of makes more sense.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
They really don't have to if you put the pieces together.
Cloistered and unaffected by the augment virus. This means they've been segregated from the other klingons and species for a while now. By doing this, they've also limited themselves as to who they can mate with. Their archaic manner of dress and highly ritualistic nature makes me think, they're still stuck at the beginning of the rise of the warrior caste. Which this came about, sometime after Kahless the Unforgettable left Qo'nos. If I had to hazard a guess, maybe two or three hundred years after Kahless left. We have to use the Klingon calendar here, so we have to take into account that it's longer. So, figure 1000 Earth standard years ago is when the Warrior caste rose to power among the klingons.
Now from here, we have to take in to account that Klingon children reach maturity faster than other species. They reach maturity at the same time a human child reaches about 8-9 years old. Using that means a new generation is born at a minimum of every 10 years. This means in that time of separation from the other klingons, there is a maximum of 100 generations. That's a lot of room for genetic differences to become readily apparent, resulting in the klingons we see in Discovery.
Well, up until TOS and the Augment Virus. Then we already know what they look like there and after. But that also doesn't explain why they look different than the ENT Klingons. You know the Klingons that existed before Discovery.
It's better to just look at them like the Romulans and Vulcans. Mostly the same, but with some genetic and appearance differences.