I'm rather enjoying it. It has it's problems, but all new series' do, especially when there's an already-existing metaplot.
That so many angry, nitpicking purists that were dead set on hating it from the moment the title was first mentioned are raging so hard that they're all but frothing at the mouth in impotent trekkie fury is icing on the cake. Honestly, it makes me enjoy Discovery even more, knowing that the kind of "fans" that destroy whole franchises are shrieking in childish meme rage. Part of why I enjoy the Kelvin Timeline movies as well.
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
I wonder why these "journalists" always leave out key pieces of information when writing this ****? 67% rating on Rottentomatoes isn't that far off from Voyager and Enterprise after one single episode. What were they expecting? 100% approval out of the gate?
Pure drivel.
The pertinent issue is the "Discovery is just a tool for board-room negotiations". It would explain why CBS was so hands-off when the series was being made. It also explains why they are not pushing harder for merchandising now. Succeed or fail, CBS wins.
but those are consistent to the setting, Val, and they work the same way within a one hour episode (and the eps where they don't, usually end up being noted as among the most poorly written.)
I'm talking about the internal logic of the story, not external logic of reality in relation to a fictional story. if your setting requires x to follow y, having z follow y instead is either a critical plot all on it's own, or it's bad writing. aka if you're doing fantasy, and you have dragons, and the dragons breathe fire, a Dragon breathing rainbows is breaking the logic of the story. We all know fire-breathing dragons don't exist in reality, but within the story, for the fantastic elements to pass that bullsh*t filter, the logic of the story and the setting must be internally consistent for at minimum the hour or so the episode is running, and changes within the setting have to be explained, or you lose the audience.
Sauron's ring makes Frodo invisible., it doesn't make him invulnerable or capable of flight, it doesn't shoot lasers and it doesn't cause him to manifest a spandex outfit with cape and mask, get it?
LoTRO is a fine example. Had Gollum not slipped and fell, the Fellowship would have utterly failed. Sometimes luck intervenes. It's completely believable for Burnham to have gotten lucky.
Yeah...pretty sure you ain't seeing the same thing as the rest of us now. No wonder you like TRIBBLE.
In the book, Gollum slips and falls in. I recall reading somewhere that Tolkien called it the finger of the supreme deity, Eru Iluvatar, giving that last little nudge to complete the task.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I wonder why these "journalists" always leave out key pieces of information when writing this ****? 67% rating on Rottentomatoes isn't that far off from Voyager and Enterprise after one single episode. What were they expecting? 100% approval out of the gate?
Pure drivel.
The pertinent issue is the "Discovery is just a tool for board-room negotiations". It would explain why CBS was so hands-off when the series was being made. It also explains why they are not pushing harder for merchandising now. Succeed or fail, CBS wins.
CBS wasn't entirely hands off with Discovery, Bryan Fuller left the series because he and CBS couldn't find common ground on what the direction of Discovery should be about on it's internal workings. This lead to two others taking his role and these two could be more in the category of what CBS wants than what Bryan was hoping for. I'm kind of curious to find out what Bryan thinks of where Discovery has gone since he left the project.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
In the book, Gollum slips and falls in. I recall reading somewhere that Tolkien called it the finger of the supreme deity, Eru Iluvatar, giving that last little nudge to complete the task.
No question Gollum tripped/tumbled into the volcano at the end. The purpose was that fate (or luck) intervened. It was the culmination of the whole arc of how Bilbo taking pity on Gollum in the caves of the Misty Mountains is what ultimately allowed the ring to be destroyed.
You'll never hear certain people admit they were wrong though. It's easier for some people to be nasty and insulting than it is to admit they are wrong.
but that's kind of all beside the point-I referenced the One Ring because it does, within the canon, certain specific things, and doesn't do other specific things, and that's internal consistency. (remember, that was what we were discussing before the full digression spiral into how Gollum died.) It makes you invisible, not invincible, it enables perception on different 'plane' but doesn't grant lazer vision, it allows concealed movement, not unassisted flight, etcetera.
It's not that simple. If the ring was worn by someone who lacked the ability to wield it, it shifted them outside normal space. For those who could wield it properly, well, it's powers were far more impressive.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
The pertinent issue is the "Discovery is just a tool for board-room negotiations". It would explain why CBS was so hands-off when the series was being made. It also explains why they are not pushing harder for merchandising now. Succeed or fail, CBS wins.
Where does it say CBS was "hands off" with the production? Also, Trek has never really had the level of merchandising that Star Wars and such had.
And, with that being said... there is Discovery books, comics, shirts, mugs, calendars, ship models from Eaglemoss, uniforms from Anovos (and a cheaper company I can't remember), QMx has the insignia pins (with more stuff coming), and McFarlane Toys will release action figures next year.
So, unless it's based on the shoddy "reporting" of Midnight's Edge, I'm not sure where @redvenge is coming from here.
i dunno, that torchbearer on the beacon moved pretty damn quick once burnham identified herself - he brought his bat'leth up, moved and swung it all in half a second...and then she panicked, hit her suit thrusters and slammed into him, driving the blade back into him through his spine and out his back
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
CBS wasn't entirely hands off with Discovery, Bryan Fuller left the series because he and CBS couldn't find common ground on what the direction of Discovery should be about on it's internal workings. This lead to two others taking his role and these two could be more in the category of what CBS wants than what Bryan was hoping for. I'm kind of curious to find out what Bryan thinks of where Discovery has gone since he left the project.
In January 2016, CBS president Glenn Geller revealed that he and the CBS network were not involved in the production of the series, saying, "It really is for All Access. While the network will be broadcasting the pilot, I actually can't answer any creative questions about it."
And, with that being said... there is Discovery books, comics, shirts, mugs, calendars, ship models from Eaglemoss, uniforms from Anovos (and a cheaper company I can't remember), QMx has the insignia pins (with more stuff coming), and McFarlane Toys will release action figures next year.
So, unless it's based on the shoddy "reporting" of Midnight's Edge, I'm not sure where @redvenge is coming from here.
The licensee list on the CBS Consumer Products page is quite extensive and the fact that most of them are either not advertising Discovery merchandise at all, or Discovery merchandise will not be available until well into next year is odd. Most of it won't be available in time for the holiday season, a time that really gets Star Trek bric-a-brak moving.
Some, like Midnight's Edge, believe it is based on pushback from licensees. In light of this new information, it seems more likely that CBS Consumer Products is in no hurry to promote the Star Trek: Discovery license among it's stable of licensees.
well, even in sauron's hands, it doesn't seem to confer invincibility - it sure as hell didn't stop isildur slicing his fingers off, anyway
everything else is up for grabs, though
It's not really stated what any of the Rings' powers are in the hands of a skilled wielder, nor what any of them besides the One Ring and the Nine do for an unskilled wielder. Unless that's in The Silmarillion, which, I got bogged down in the first chapter and gave up when I tried to read it.
/appeasetheeditgod
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
EEEEkkkkkssss! So excited to see the next installment of this story.
I think it may be way too early to reveal the 3rd party participant in this Klingon war mess...someone had to feed that T'kumva guy heavy ka-ka about Starfleet.
But get to see the actual USS Discovery.
I am totally thinking they may be connected to Section 31...I actually had to research who did the black ops stuff in Star Trek and found out it was these guys.
And that Sarek guy knows more than he is telling...but what do you expect from a politican? And what sort of brain thing did he do to Micheal?
Oh and would be nice to see some of the Captain assets...if you get my drift. I mean, they already flashed Burnham...so...hey why not? BTW...Jason Issacs is only 2 years older than me. Though, I kinda like him better with a beard going. LOL!
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
CBS wasn't entirely hands off with Discovery, Bryan Fuller left the series because he and CBS couldn't find common ground on what the direction of Discovery should be about on it's internal workings. This lead to two others taking his role and these two could be more in the category of what CBS wants than what Bryan was hoping for. I'm kind of curious to find out what Bryan thinks of where Discovery has gone since he left the project.
In January 2016, CBS president Glenn Geller revealed that he and the CBS network were not involved in the production of the series, saying, "It really is for All Access. While the network will be broadcasting the pilot, I actually can't answer any creative questions about it."
And, with that being said... there is Discovery books, comics, shirts, mugs, calendars, ship models from Eaglemoss, uniforms from Anovos (and a cheaper company I can't remember), QMx has the insignia pins (with more stuff coming), and McFarlane Toys will release action figures next year.
So, unless it's based on the shoddy "reporting" of Midnight's Edge, I'm not sure where @redvenge is coming from here.
The licensee list on the CBS Consumer Products page is quite extensive and the fact that most of them are either not advertising Discovery merchandise at all, or Discovery merchandise will not be available until well into next year is odd. Most of it won't be available in time for the holiday season, a time that really gets Star Trek bric-a-brak moving.
Some, like Midnight's Edge, believe it is based on pushback from licensees. In light of this new information, it seems more likely that CBS Consumer Products is in no hurry to promote the Star Trek: Discovery license among it's stable of licensees.
Well, given you can poke holes into Midnight's Edge that are big enough to drive a MAC Truck through...
I don't know what exactly you're expecting, here. Discovery stuff is readily available now, and more is on the way. If you're looking for something more like Star Wars and Force Friday... or, perhaps, Star Trek in the 90s... don't know what to tell you. It's extreme to assume CBS doesn't want to see the show succeed.
CBS wasn't entirely hands off with Discovery, Bryan Fuller left the series because he and CBS couldn't find common ground on what the direction of Discovery should be about on it's internal workings. This lead to two others taking his role and these two could be more in the category of what CBS wants than what Bryan was hoping for. I'm kind of curious to find out what Bryan thinks of where Discovery has gone since he left the project.
In January 2016, CBS president Glenn Geller revealed that he and the CBS network were not involved in the production of the series, saying, "It really is for All Access. While the network will be broadcasting the pilot, I actually can't answer any creative questions about it."
With respect but that was over a year ago, things change from day to day and CBS doesn't need to tell the whole world what it plans to do in that time. Do you have something more up to date that can prove that CBS is still hands-off?
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I think that's regional Valoreah, as there's been "Klingon disruptor pistols" for sale into the early 2000's, along with various toy lines here in the states at various times, plus licensed products with outfits as varied as SOG knives.
Oh I'm sure you are correct in that it's regional. What I had meant to say was in comparison to other properties (like Star Wars, Marvel etc.) you never saw that level of merchandising (at least where I live).
Well, let's face it: Star Trek has just plain never had the cultural footprint that Star Wars does. (That's not a criticism of either franchise, just an observation.) Paramount and its various owners have been at this for long enough to know roughly where the point of diminishing returns on merchandising investment is.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
You know there was a very specific real-world reason for Star Wars getting merch out both ends don't you? George Lucas was the guy who made the money, NOT the film company! (at least until he sold it to Disney) And it's the merch that got people to notice it. It wasn't particularly popular in the initial theatrical release.
You know there was a very specific real-world reason for Star Wars getting merch out both ends don't you? George Lucas was the guy who made the money, NOT the film company! (at least until he sold it to Disney) And it's the merch that got people to notice it. It wasn't particularly popular in the initial theatrical release.
Maybe because initially it was only released in 37 theaters because Fox thought it was a sure-fire flop. It was actually the good reviews and viewer response that got it a proper release.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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That so many angry, nitpicking purists that were dead set on hating it from the moment the title was first mentioned are raging so hard that they're all but frothing at the mouth in impotent trekkie fury is icing on the cake. Honestly, it makes me enjoy Discovery even more, knowing that the kind of "fans" that destroy whole franchises are shrieking in childish meme rage. Part of why I enjoy the Kelvin Timeline movies as well.
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
In the book, Gollum slips and falls in. I recall reading somewhere that Tolkien called it the finger of the supreme deity, Eru Iluvatar, giving that last little nudge to complete the task.
BLIZZARD, WHERE IS MY DAMN ARMADA 3?!
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
CBS wasn't entirely hands off with Discovery, Bryan Fuller left the series because he and CBS couldn't find common ground on what the direction of Discovery should be about on it's internal workings. This lead to two others taking his role and these two could be more in the category of what CBS wants than what Bryan was hoping for. I'm kind of curious to find out what Bryan thinks of where Discovery has gone since he left the project.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
My character Tsin'xing
everything else is up for grabs, though
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
And, with that being said... there is Discovery books, comics, shirts, mugs, calendars, ship models from Eaglemoss, uniforms from Anovos (and a cheaper company I can't remember), QMx has the insignia pins (with more stuff coming), and McFarlane Toys will release action figures next year.
So, unless it's based on the shoddy "reporting" of Midnight's Edge, I'm not sure where @redvenge is coming from here.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
In January 2016, CBS president Glenn Geller revealed that he and the CBS network were not involved in the production of the series, saying, "It really is for All Access. While the network will be broadcasting the pilot, I actually can't answer any creative questions about it."
http://www.slashfilm.com/cbs-has-nothing-to-do-with-streaming-star-trek-series/
I posted this before. The licensee list on the CBS Consumer Products page is quite extensive and the fact that most of them are either not advertising Discovery merchandise at all, or Discovery merchandise will not be available until well into next year is odd. Most of it won't be available in time for the holiday season, a time that really gets Star Trek bric-a-brak moving.
Some, like Midnight's Edge, believe it is based on pushback from licensees. In light of this new information, it seems more likely that CBS Consumer Products is in no hurry to promote the Star Trek: Discovery license among it's stable of licensees.
It's not really stated what any of the Rings' powers are in the hands of a skilled wielder, nor what any of them besides the One Ring and the Nine do for an unskilled wielder. Unless that's in The Silmarillion, which, I got bogged down in the first chapter and gave up when I tried to read it.
/appeasetheeditgod
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
I think it may be way too early to reveal the 3rd party participant in this Klingon war mess...someone had to feed that T'kumva guy heavy ka-ka about Starfleet.
But get to see the actual USS Discovery.
I am totally thinking they may be connected to Section 31...I actually had to research who did the black ops stuff in Star Trek and found out it was these guys.
And that Sarek guy knows more than he is telling...but what do you expect from a politican? And what sort of brain thing did he do to Micheal?
Oh and would be nice to see some of the Captain assets...if you get my drift. I mean, they already flashed Burnham...so...hey why not? BTW...Jason Issacs is only 2 years older than me. Though, I kinda like him better with a beard going. LOL!
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Well, given you can poke holes into Midnight's Edge that are big enough to drive a MAC Truck through...
I don't know what exactly you're expecting, here. Discovery stuff is readily available now, and more is on the way. If you're looking for something more like Star Wars and Force Friday... or, perhaps, Star Trek in the 90s... don't know what to tell you. It's extreme to assume CBS doesn't want to see the show succeed.
With respect but that was over a year ago, things change from day to day and CBS doesn't need to tell the whole world what it plans to do in that time. Do you have something more up to date that can prove that CBS is still hands-off?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Well, let's face it: Star Trek has just plain never had the cultural footprint that Star Wars does. (That's not a criticism of either franchise, just an observation.) Paramount and its various owners have been at this for long enough to know roughly where the point of diminishing returns on merchandising investment is.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
My character Tsin'xing
Maybe because initially it was only released in 37 theaters because Fox thought it was a sure-fire flop. It was actually the good reviews and viewer response that got it a proper release.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/