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    darakossdarakoss Member Posts: 850 Arc User
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    Wow! Discovery still uses library tapes! Kinda cool.

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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    redvenge wrote: »
    I would absolutely agree that the Klingon are religious. They have a Klingon afterlife. And they have mythological leaders that seemed to have mythical powers, because I don't see how you could use a lock from your hair to form a sword, or how two people could fight of hundreds of enemies (unless they're fighting flies perhaps?)
    Is this is spiritual or religious? I'm not trying to play semantic word games. This is a honest question as there is a difference between the two.
    Ever play the "Gate to Grethor" mission in STO where you go to the Klingon underworld? Um yeah, Cryptic didn't make that up. The Shrine of Kahless isn't their invention either.
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,280 Arc User
    darakoss wrote: »
    Wow! Discovery still uses library tapes! Kinda cool.

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    ...is that a tribble?​​
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    darakoss wrote: »
    Wow! Discovery still uses library tapes! Kinda cool. DKv5IVvUMAANyGm.jpg
    ...is that a tribble?​​
    No, it's an ecological disaster waiting to happen. :p
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,280 Arc User
    that's not the point; tribbles aren't supposed to be a thing until cyrano jones introduces them to uhura at K-7

    so that's another thing DIS retconned​​
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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    irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited September 2017
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    Seems it may well be particular to T'Kuvma's little cult though with the way some of the other Klingon leaders reacted to his summons, remains to be seen how the rest of the Empire act and where the series goes with it (maybe his childhood vision of Kahless was something else entirely).
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    irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited September 2017
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    that's not the point; tribbles aren't supposed to be a thing until cyrano jones introduces them to uhura at K-7

    so that's another thing DIS retconned​​

    They were in Enterprise (edit, found the clip).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIL0keInWjg
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,280 Arc User
    are you sure it was a tribble and not one of porthos' shed piles?​​
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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    mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    I've tried for almost two-hours now to post my retort.
    I give up for tonight.
    Instead.
    Here's a great review that addresses some of the points I had from Midnight's Edge:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpGSHYGBVOU

    Oh, look at that, Midnight's Edge hated it. Shocking.

    It's even complete with NEW conspiracy theories, stating the reviews are in the bag for CBS. Meanwhile, the transdimensional garbage is now conveniently being called "speculation," which it was not originally presented as. I also failed to see Bad Robot's logo on this, and since they said the show was being produced on Paramount/Bad Robot's license (which makes ZERO sense in the first place), some acknowledgement should be there. And, no, lens flare doesn't count.

    These guys are clowns.
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    redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    Ever play the "Gate to Grethor" mission in STO where you go to the Klingon underworld? Um yeah, Cryptic didn't make that up. The Shrine of Kahless isn't their invention either.
    Having an afterlife is spiritual, but not indicative of religion. Myths and legends are not the sole province of religion.
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    mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    valoreah wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Oh, look at that, Midnight's Edge hated it. Shocking.

    Yeah, probably hated it so much they signed up for the full $9.99 sub fee for All Access just so they can continue watching it to post drivel.

    The "Spin-Free and Analysis" part of their Patreon account is absolutely hysterical. LOL!

    WAIT!!! PATREON?!?!?!

    What kind of PURE EVIL would HIDE THEIR CONTENT BEHIND A PAYWALL?!?!?! LOLZ! :tongue:
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    mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    And for the record, THIS is what a reasonable review of Discovery looks like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IemsAJdDE

    Probably the fairest review I've seen on YouTube...
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    trygvar13trygvar13 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
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    It IS a reboot. If something looks like a reboot, feels like a reboot and sounds like a reboot, it's a reboot. I don't need an offical statement confirming that. ?[/quote]

    That's funny. My son actually telling me If it doesn't look like a Klingon. doesn't sound like and Klingon and doesn't feel like a Klingon then it's not a Klingon. He was very disappointed with the new Klingons and just can't accept that they are Klingons.
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    themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited September 2017
    trygvar13 wrote: »
    That's funny. My son actually telling me If it doesn't look like a Klingon. doesn't sound like and Klingon and doesn't feel like a Klingon then it's not a Klingon. He was very disappointed with the new Klingons and just can't accept that they are Klingons.

    Show him a TOS Klingon and tell him that's what they initially looked like.
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    1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
    3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
    4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
    5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
    6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
    7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
    8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    where2r1 wrote: »
    I am still combing through Episode 1 and Episode 2 to find bits I am missing to the story....I think I need to watch Episode 2 one more time. Something is not right...I can't put my finger on it.

    The way Commander Burnham loses it...I mean mutiny? Mutiny and rain death on Klingons? And here she was being recommended for her own command? Captain Georgiou does not come across as a **** up who would just recommend anyone. And she is surprised by Michael is doing.

    Was she looking to rain death on the Klingons or fire a single shot? I took it that she was just looking to fire once, not destroy them.

    As for her choice to mutiny, she was doing it for the right reasons (saving her Captain and crew - something many a prior Trek character has done) and we did see she is prone to becoming overcome with emotion like when she was at the Vulcan academy. Granted, it does seem odd that this would be the first time Captain Georgiou would have seen this side of Burnham in their years serving together. Perhaps she has, we just haven't seen it yet and will via flashback sequences or never seen it to this extreme due to the circumstances.
    I think the key here was. She was prone to overcome by emotion when it came to the Klingons.

    She seemed perfectly fine under any other circumstance. I would say it is a case of PTSD, something the Vulcans can't really teach her to deal with. Emotions just work too differently for them. Maybe it would have been caught and treated at Starfleet Academy or if she had been grown up among humans, but she did not.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
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    valoreah wrote: »
    where2r1 wrote: »
    I am still combing through Episode 1 and Episode 2 to find bits I am missing to the story....I think I need to watch Episode 2 one more time. Something is not right...I can't put my finger on it.

    The way Commander Burnham loses it...I mean mutiny? Mutiny and rain death on Klingons? And here she was being recommended for her own command? Captain Georgiou does not come across as a **** up who would just recommend anyone. And she is surprised by Michael is doing.

    Was she looking to rain death on the Klingons or fire a single shot? I took it that she was just looking to fire once, not destroy them.

    As for her choice to mutiny, she was doing it for the right reasons (saving her Captain and crew - something many a prior Trek character has done) and we did see she is prone to becoming overcome with emotion like when she was at the Vulcan academy. Granted, it does seem odd that this would be the first time Captain Georgiou would have seen this side of Burnham in their years serving together. Perhaps she has, we just haven't seen it yet and will via flashback sequences or never seen it to this extreme due to the circumstances.
    I think the key here was. She was prone to overcome by emotion when it came to the Klingons.

    She seemed perfectly fine under any other circumstance. I would say it is a case of PTSD, something the Vulcans can't really teach her to deal with. Emotions just work too differently for them. Maybe it would have been caught and treated at Starfleet Academy or if she had been grown up among humans, but she did not.

    None of that is clear though, she just acts incredibly irrational and reckless, saying she wants to save her Captain's life by taking an action that would almost certainly result in her ship's total destruction.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    where2r1 wrote: »
    I am still combing through Episode 1 and Episode 2 to find bits I am missing to the story....I think I need to watch Episode 2 one more time. Something is not right...I can't put my finger on it.

    The way Commander Burnham loses it...I mean mutiny? Mutiny and rain death on Klingons? And here she was being recommended for her own command? Captain Georgiou does not come across as a **** up who would just recommend anyone. And she is surprised by Michael is doing.

    Was she looking to rain death on the Klingons or fire a single shot? I took it that she was just looking to fire once, not destroy them.

    As for her choice to mutiny, she was doing it for the right reasons (saving her Captain and crew - something many a prior Trek character has done) and we did see she is prone to becoming overcome with emotion like when she was at the Vulcan academy. Granted, it does seem odd that this would be the first time Captain Georgiou would have seen this side of Burnham in their years serving together. Perhaps she has, we just haven't seen it yet and will via flashback sequences or never seen it to this extreme due to the circumstances.
    I think the key here was. She was prone to overcome by emotion when it came to the Klingons.

    She seemed perfectly fine under any other circumstance. I would say it is a case of PTSD, something the Vulcans can't really teach her to deal with. Emotions just work too differently for them. Maybe it would have been caught and treated at Starfleet Academy or if she had been grown up among humans, but she did not.

    None of that is clear though, she just acts incredibly irrational and reckless, saying she wants to save her Captain's life by taking an action that would almost certainly result in her ship's total destruction.

    You've seen how she completely lost it as a child when the computer asked her some questions on the last Klingon Raid. Of course, she was a child then. But we also see her dressed in Vulcan robes and not a Starfleet uniform when she joins the crew for the first time - it seems very clear to me that she never really had anyone to teach her how humans deal with traumatic experiences (and it's not like it's something we easily do, even with help). She adopted a Vulcan lifestyle and way of thinking, but she isn't actually Vulcan. She's still human, and there are differences that are not merely cultural between Vulcans and Humans.

    Maybe one could try to show more, but I think you can't really. It's not like someone on bridge would suddenly start play the psychologist and give her Captain a diagnosis to explain Burnham's behavior to her and the audience.
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    mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    mhall85 wrote: »
    And for the record, THIS is what a reasonable review of Discovery looks like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6IemsAJdDE

    Probably the fairest review I've seen on YouTube...

    Already watched it and at the end of it he says if the writing doesn't improve he's done with it.

    Thats just an opinion like the rest of us have and it doesn't matter that he is using a camera to broadcast his thoughts as it's no different than what the rest of us are doing on this forum in ten forward. What someone considers reasonable, someone else would consider unreasonable.

    In the end if he wants to leave discovery behind because he doesn't like the writing so much, that is of course his choice, but as a reviewer it is his responsibility to keep broadcasting his fair views and not building towards the idea it isn't worth it before it really gets going.
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