Star Wars had 10 years of advancement, and a larger budget to tell a 2-hour story.
The Original Series operated on a TV budget, which was constantly getting cut by the network, to tell 79 hours worth of story.
It's apples and oranges.
Not really. We know why TOS has a low budget vs. ANH but look at Doctor Who, a show infamous for its shoestring budget, during the 1st and 2nd Doctors period the aesthetics of the show went from the stark utilitarian sets of Skaro or Mondas to the semi-industrial look of Human space stations to some very TOS like sets (lava lams as controls?). The problem is not with budget, it's with the dated styles. Primary coloured mesh and flat featureless walls will look out of place no matter how much money you spend on them. Industrial is easy on the other hand. It's easy and cheap to stick greebles on the walls and make everything grey, it also stands the test of time.
This was probably made for less than the budget of a single TOS episode (split screen included)...
...But video quality aside it dosn't scream 1980s (vision of 2150s) in the way TOS screams 1960s (vision of 2300s).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Do we have to establish bona fides first? Fine, been a fan since watching TOS in its first run (as a toddler, to be sure, but then the reruns started on channel 11 a few years later...) Never cared for the cartoon, thought season one of TNG was too derivative but showed promise, didn't care for season one of DS9 but later it rocked, was saddened by VOY's failure to develop its premise, enjoyed ENT for the most part (but hated that finale - in my headcanon the series ended the previous week with "Terra Prime", and for some reason somebody's bad fanfic was aired the following week).
And this trailer actually has me interested in the new show. I'd like to know what's up with Groove-Face Guy, and why in the name of sanity anyone would genetically engineer a race for the specific purpose of sensing approaching death. What are the circumstances under which Our Heroine will be transferred from the Shenzou to the Discovery, and why won't she have command despite her captain's recommendation? What's up with these Klingons? Are they in fact part of the Empire, or a faction that's split off in search of this "coffin ship" so casually mentioned? And all these are raised in just the few minutes of film we see here. I dig the uniforms, which look like a development from ENT, and I really don't mind the changed aesthetic - I loved the view of the old Enterprise bridge on the holodeck in "Relics", but I can also see where it could look really dated to a modern audience. And ENT showed us what happens when you try to engineer a TV show to appeal to a specific, rather narrow audience (let's be honest with ourselves here, guys, even today Trek fans are a tiny minority of TV watchers) - miss your goal by even a little bit, and you have no audience at all.
And this trailer actually has me interested in the new show. I'd like to know what's up with Groove-Face Guy, and why in the name of sanity anyone would genetically engineer a race for the specific purpose of sensing approaching death. What are the circumstances under which Our Heroine will be transferred from the Shenzou to the Discovery, and why won't she have command despite her captain's recommendation? What's up with these Klingons? Are they in fact part of the Empire, or a faction that's split off in search of this "coffin ship" so casually mentioned? And all these are raised in just the few minutes of film we see here. I dig the uniforms, which look like a development from ENT, and I really don't mind the changed aesthetic - I loved the view of the old Enterprise bridge on the holodeck in "Relics", but I can also see where it could look really dated to a modern audience. And ENT showed us what happens when you try to engineer a TV show to appeal to a specific, rather narrow audience (let's be honest with ourselves here, guys, even today Trek fans are a tiny minority of TV watchers) - miss your goal by even a little bit, and you have no audience at all.
The whole concept of the Klingons having some manner of dedicated funeral ship seems odd to me. Despite all I've seen of the Klingons over the years, they just don't strike me as the types to go this far with their funeral rituals. Unless maybe this is the remains of somebody super important. Perhaps the crew of the Shenzou accidentally blow the ship up and provoke the long fabled Four Year War with the Klingons. I think it seems highly likely that the Shenzou is destroyed in the first episode, the cards just seems stacked against it.
As for why our heroine isn't going to be the captain of the Discovery... You can't expect her to rail against The Man if she is The Man. Joking aside, the trailer seems to make a point of her being a social outcast because of her mixed heritage, so it is clear that racism is going to be a theme this show focuses on.
I feel like they're trying to emphasize the wonder -- and terror -- of probing the unknown, hence the name (Discovery) and the flashy visuals. The changing aesthetics are a bit jarring, but I'm intrigued enough by the premise to let it slide. Will reserve judgement until we know more.
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I'm looking forward to all the hate directed at the new Star Trek show by people who complain there hasn't been a new Star Trek show since Enterprise got cancelled.
I wouldnt mind if CBS was actually making a star trek show, but this? this is pig slop in a trek wrapper , until the fanbase itteraly draws a line in the sand and tells CBS to go take a flying leap till they stop defacating on the IP.
I hate to admit this but peters axanar was more trek then TRIBBLE.
Oh you mean, the mockumentary where the majority of it is pew pew along with talking heads along with action shots that directly mirrors the KT movies scenes.
I cannot wait for this new iteration of Star Trek.
I'm looking forward to all the hate directed at the new Star Trek show by people who complain there hasn't been a new Star Trek show since Enterprise got cancelled.
I wouldnt mind if CBS was actually making a star trek show, but this? this is pig slop in a trek wrapper , until the fanbase itteraly draws a line in the sand and tells CBS to go take a flying leap till they stop defacating on the IP.
I hate to admit this but peters axanar was more trek then TRIBBLE.
Oh you mean, the mockumentary where the majority of it is pew pew along with talking heads along with action shots that directly mirrors the KT movies scenes.
I cannot wait for this new iteration of Star Trek.
no as in the look of it axanar looked more trek then TRIBBLE ,which looks like trek contacted an TRIBBLE and someone is filming the results.
I'm still wondering how they show rank on the Discovery uniforms.
Pay close attention to the dots on the Starfleet Delta pin/insignia on the uniform.
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Anyone else remember in TNG episode "Genesis" when Worf devolved into a prehistoric proto Klingon?
Take away all the spikes and the spider mandible looking things and you got something not too far from what we are seeing in Disocvery
Huh ... I definitely see the resemblance, perhaps then these are the next evolutionary stage on the road to normal Klingons? Maybe the uniforms were designed to evoke the spikes their ancestors had? If these do indeed end up being ancient Klingons the design probably won't bother me much, provided they also include either a standard or augment-infected Klingon at some point in the series.
I'm still wondering how they show rank on the Discovery uniforms.
Pay close attention to the dots on the Starfleet Delta pin/insignia on the uniform.
That's another thing I find odd, why is the Delta symbol in use at this point, when it was previously established that all ships had their own unique insignias until the completion of the Enterprise's mission? It doesn't really bother me much, tbh I didn't even realize that was even the case until AoY (not exactly a fan of TOS, so I've only seen a handful of episodes), but I do find it odd, and I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone complain about that.
That's another thing I find odd, why is the Delta symbol in use at this point, when it was previously established that all ships had their own unique insignias until the completion of the Enterprise's mission? It doesn't really bother me much, tbh I didn't even realize that was even the case until AoY (not exactly a fan of TOS, so I've only seen a handful of episodes), but I do find it odd, and I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone complain about that.
Because that's not the case. All pre TOS ships use the delta. Franklin, Kelvin, Starfleet Command in ENT, the non Enterprise crews in the KT. Several non-Ent crew use them in TOS including some of the Defiant and the other crew in Court Martial. Enterprise is the flagship so it uses the delta as do other ships. It's even on Friendship One.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
That's another thing I find odd, why is the Delta symbol in use at this point, when it was previously established that all ships had their own unique insignias until the completion of the Enterprise's mission? It doesn't really bother me much, tbh I didn't even realize that was even the case until AoY (not exactly a fan of TOS, so I've only seen a handful of episodes), but I do find it odd, and I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone complain about that.
Because that's not the case. All pre TOS ships use the delta. Franklin, Kelvin, Starfleet Command in ENT, the non Enterprise crews in the KT. Several non-Ent crew use them in TOS including some of the Defiant and the other crew in Court Martial. Enterprise is the flagship so it uses the delta as do other ships. It's even on Friendship One.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Which raises the question of why it wasn't that way in TOS...
Well in TOS the badges were designed for different branches. The ones worn by the crew of the Antares in 'Charlie X' were for the cargo fleet, the ones worn by Decker and Stone were Starfleet Command, the ones worn on the outposts in 'Arena' and 'The Neutral Zone' (along with a different coloured top now I look at it) were for Outposts. That's why you can see members of the Defiants crew with the delta in TOS. At some point in TOS they changed it and the Constellation and Exeter got their own despite being Constitution/Starship classes. Then in TAS the Huron and Bonaventure got different badges (different to the Antares cargo badge) and it all became a mess.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And of course there's the fact that while Gene may (or may not - at this remove, it's hard to say) have intended that each ship have its own badge design, there's nothing in canon that states this as such. (In fact, I have a much easier time believing that the delta was a Starfleet-in-general design all along than that the Enterprise's voyages became so legendary that everyone adopted the same insignia because Jim Kirk was more important than the Fleet as a whole.)
Yes, there were shirts from other ships that had a slightly different thing on the chest - but I'm just as willing to ascribe this to another of the many continuity errors that plagued the show. (Remember that in the 1960s, season-long story arcs weren't really a thing. It was never meant to have continuity.)
And of course there's the fact that while Gene may (or may not - at this remove, it's hard to say) have intended that each ship have its own badge design, there's nothing in canon that states this as such. (In fact, I have a much easier time believing that the delta was a Starfleet-in-general design all along than that the Enterprise's voyages became so legendary that everyone adopted the same insignia because Jim Kirk was more important than the Fleet as a whole.)
Yes, there were shirts from other ships that had a slightly different thing on the chest - but I'm just as willing to ascribe this to another of the many continuity errors that plagued the show. (Remember that in the 1960s, season-long story arcs weren't really a thing. It was never meant to have continuity.)
Especially given that TOS was the show least concerned about any sort of continuity.
Trek never tried to have any sort of consistency until TNG, and even it didn't care THAT much about it.
But there's consistency and consistency. Yes, TOS had none whatsoever, each episode was pretty much a lore unto itself, but it still had a definable look which later episodes paid respect to. For all Alec Peters' asshattery, he at least created something which looked appropriate to the era Prelude was set in, and Star Trek Continues showed that it's more than possible to recreate the TOS look and feel with contemporary sets and it not look cheesy, so for the Discovery folks to say '10 years before Kirk and the Enterprise', and then show something which would be quite in keeping post-Nemesis, it's somehow managing to miss the broadside of a barn while standing inside it. If they had just said they were rebooting the series, or setting it in the Kelvin Timeline, or setting it post-Nemesis, then fine, but to do what they've done? That loses my interest, and when a good majority of the comments I have seen online are people saying that they think that The Orville is 'more Trek', that suggests a massive error on Les Moonves' part.
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Go on them. Tell all the boys and girls at home why not.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Go on them. Tell all the boys and girls at home why not.
Because 50 years of history say they are not.
Really. Why specifically. Because you're blind or because new things make you huddle up in a ball on the floor until they go away?
They look like Klingons. We've got lovely close ups in good lighting showing nigh identical make-up to TNG/ID style Klingon with slightly wider noses and deeper eye make-up. That's not personal interpretation that's direct observation.
I wonder what sort of tantrum people threw when the Trill were changed for DS9...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
They look like Klingons. We've got lovely close ups in good lighting showing nigh identical make-up to TNG/ID style Klingon with slightly wider noses and deeper eye make-up. That's not personal interpretation that's direct observation.
Go on them. Tell all the boys and girls at home why not.
Because 50 years of history say they are not.
Really. Why specifically. Because you're blind or because new things make you huddle up in a ball on the floor until they go away?
They look like Klingons. We've got lovely close ups in good lighting showing nigh identical make-up to TNG/ID style Klingon with slightly wider noses and deeper eye make-up. That's not personal interpretation that's direct observation.
I wonder what sort of tantrum people threw when the Trill were changed for DS9...
Sadly, most people simply never noticed the change to the way Trill looked because there was only ever one episode with them before that.
Sadly, most people simply never noticed the change to the way Trill looked because there was only ever one episode with them before that.
The real sad thing is that they changed it purely to not "deface" a "beautiful actress" (also implying that this was the reason they casted her in the first place) - Terry Farrel looks good no argument, but it once again shows off how concerned Star Trek always has been with "T&A". It was always more important how something looks now than what was established. However, I still feel this doesn't really negate concerns about a show discarding the entirety of established aesthetics. I think it boils down to "why does it have to be a damn prequel again, when nobody really wants a prequel?"
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Not really. We know why TOS has a low budget vs. ANH but look at Doctor Who, a show infamous for its shoestring budget, during the 1st and 2nd Doctors period the aesthetics of the show went from the stark utilitarian sets of Skaro or Mondas to the semi-industrial look of Human space stations to some very TOS like sets (lava lams as controls?). The problem is not with budget, it's with the dated styles. Primary coloured mesh and flat featureless walls will look out of place no matter how much money you spend on them. Industrial is easy on the other hand. It's easy and cheap to stick greebles on the walls and make everything grey, it also stands the test of time.
This was probably made for less than the budget of a single TOS episode (split screen included)...
...But video quality aside it dosn't scream 1980s (vision of 2150s) in the way TOS screams 1960s (vision of 2300s).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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And this trailer actually has me interested in the new show. I'd like to know what's up with Groove-Face Guy, and why in the name of sanity anyone would genetically engineer a race for the specific purpose of sensing approaching death. What are the circumstances under which Our Heroine will be transferred from the Shenzou to the Discovery, and why won't she have command despite her captain's recommendation? What's up with these Klingons? Are they in fact part of the Empire, or a faction that's split off in search of this "coffin ship" so casually mentioned? And all these are raised in just the few minutes of film we see here. I dig the uniforms, which look like a development from ENT, and I really don't mind the changed aesthetic - I loved the view of the old Enterprise bridge on the holodeck in "Relics", but I can also see where it could look really dated to a modern audience. And ENT showed us what happens when you try to engineer a TV show to appeal to a specific, rather narrow audience (let's be honest with ourselves here, guys, even today Trek fans are a tiny minority of TV watchers) - miss your goal by even a little bit, and you have no audience at all.
The whole concept of the Klingons having some manner of dedicated funeral ship seems odd to me. Despite all I've seen of the Klingons over the years, they just don't strike me as the types to go this far with their funeral rituals. Unless maybe this is the remains of somebody super important. Perhaps the crew of the Shenzou accidentally blow the ship up and provoke the long fabled Four Year War with the Klingons. I think it seems highly likely that the Shenzou is destroyed in the first episode, the cards just seems stacked against it.
As for why our heroine isn't going to be the captain of the Discovery... You can't expect her to rail against The Man if she is The Man.
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-Thomas Marrone
Oh you mean, the mockumentary where the majority of it is pew pew along with talking heads along with action shots that directly mirrors the KT movies scenes.
I cannot wait for this new iteration of Star Trek.
no as in the look of it axanar looked more trek then TRIBBLE ,which looks like trek contacted an TRIBBLE and someone is filming the results.
Pay close attention to the dots on the Starfleet Delta pin/insignia on the uniform.
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Huh ... I definitely see the resemblance, perhaps then these are the next evolutionary stage on the road to normal Klingons? Maybe the uniforms were designed to evoke the spikes their ancestors had? If these do indeed end up being ancient Klingons the design probably won't bother me much, provided they also include either a standard or augment-infected Klingon at some point in the series.
That's another thing I find odd, why is the Delta symbol in use at this point, when it was previously established that all ships had their own unique insignias until the completion of the Enterprise's mission? It doesn't really bother me much, tbh I didn't even realize that was even the case until AoY (not exactly a fan of TOS, so I've only seen a handful of episodes), but I do find it odd, and I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone complain about that.
Because that's not the case. All pre TOS ships use the delta. Franklin, Kelvin, Starfleet Command in ENT, the non Enterprise crews in the KT. Several non-Ent crew use them in TOS including some of the Defiant and the other crew in Court Martial. Enterprise is the flagship so it uses the delta as do other ships. It's even on Friendship One.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Because that's not the case. All pre TOS ships use the delta. Franklin, Kelvin, Starfleet Command in ENT, the non Enterprise crews in the KT. Several non-Ent crew use them in TOS including some of the Defiant and the other crew in Court Martial. Enterprise is the flagship so it uses the delta as do other ships. It's even on Friendship One.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Don't make it any less stupid.
Well in TOS the badges were designed for different branches. The ones worn by the crew of the Antares in 'Charlie X' were for the cargo fleet, the ones worn by Decker and Stone were Starfleet Command, the ones worn on the outposts in 'Arena' and 'The Neutral Zone' (along with a different coloured top now I look at it) were for Outposts. That's why you can see members of the Defiants crew with the delta in TOS. At some point in TOS they changed it and the Constellation and Exeter got their own despite being Constitution/Starship classes. Then in TAS the Huron and Bonaventure got different badges (different to the Antares cargo badge) and it all became a mess.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Yes, there were shirts from other ships that had a slightly different thing on the chest - but I'm just as willing to ascribe this to another of the many continuity errors that plagued the show. (Remember that in the 1960s, season-long story arcs weren't really a thing. It was never meant to have continuity.)
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
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Go on them. Tell all the boys and girls at home why not.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Because 50 years of history say they are not.
Really. Why specifically. Because you're blind or because new things make you huddle up in a ball on the floor until they go away?
They look like Klingons. We've got lovely close ups in good lighting showing nigh identical make-up to TNG/ID style Klingon with slightly wider noses and deeper eye make-up. That's not personal interpretation that's direct observation.
I wonder what sort of tantrum people threw when the Trill were changed for DS9...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Really? http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/dsc-leaked-klingon-set-photo.jpg
Thouse things look like this to you: https://fsmedia.imgix.net/c3/45/e7/29/9e03/4fe7/9919/03bd57e7e04f/bing-klingon-translatorjpg.jpeg
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Or, y'know, maybe they're different Klingon ethnicities and folks are being kind of bigoted here. We don't have enough data yet.
The real sad thing is that they changed it purely to not "deface" a "beautiful actress" (also implying that this was the reason they casted her in the first place) - Terry Farrel looks good no argument, but it once again shows off how concerned Star Trek always has been with "T&A". It was always more important how something looks now than what was established. However, I still feel this doesn't really negate concerns about a show discarding the entirety of established aesthetics. I think it boils down to "why does it have to be a damn prequel again, when nobody really wants a prequel?"
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