This delusional man actuslly expected some tos aesthetic.... not replicate the entire thing of course, but atleast some homage. To update the many buttons, show them with multicolour touchscreen and keep the geometri and layouts, but instead scifi generic blue is all we got, corridors csn have several vibrant colour like red panels instead of boring grey, bigger computer screens on the bridge of course, JJ-esque uniform that is both old and new. But i suppose thats too much to o ask
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Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
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I like it. I like that maybe the Klingons aren't a mono-culture. I like they are flat out saying "We're NOT going to be bound to the visual stylings of a 1960s stageplay treatment of the Federation." I like them saying "We will go looking for an new audience and not just Star Trek Purists." I like that they've looked at the success of the movies and thought, "you know what? We can update the visuals while still being unmistakable Star Trek."
I despise Voyager. Some Star Trek fans are going to despise this. Perfect. It can't be for everyone and they've decided to bet on me. How refreshing. I look forward to encouraging them to continue to do so.
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I like it. I like that maybe the Klingons aren't a mono-culture. I like they are flat out saying "We're NOT going to be bound to the visual stylings of a 1960s stageplay treatment of the Federation." I like them saying "We will go looking for an new audience and not just Star Trek Purists." I like that they've looked at the success of the movies and thought, "you know what? We can update the visuals while still being unmistakable Star Trek."
I despise Voyager. Some Star Trek fans are going to despise this. Perfect. It can't be for everyone and they've decided to bet on me. How refreshing. I look forward to encouraging them to continue to do so.
Yeah, great work. They turned Klingons into generic wrinkly faced orks litterally every single sci-fi or fantasy movie has as their villians. Seriously, is nobody else bothered that "bad guys" look all the same these days?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I was in class when watching this so I didn't get to pay attention ... to all the details in the video. But from what I've seen, it's nice. I like the bit more futuristic look of it. Let's be honest, the Trek from the 1960's is hopelessly outdated.
I hope the storyline will be good. Moral dilemma's, lessons for humanity, that kind of thing. No destruction of planets please, that's not really a reason for optimism
I like it. I like that maybe the Klingons aren't a mono-culture. I like they are flat out saying "We're NOT going to be bound to the visual stylings of a 1960s stageplay treatment of the Federation." I like them saying "We will go looking for an new audience and not just Star Trek Purists." I like that they've looked at the success of the movies and thought, "you know what? We can update the visuals while still being unmistakable Star Trek."
I despise Voyager. Some Star Trek fans are going to despise this. Perfect. It can't be for everyone and they've decided to bet on me. How refreshing. I look forward to encouraging them to continue to do so.
Yeah, great work. They turned Klingons into generic wrinkly faced orks litterally every single sci-fi or fantasy movie has as their villians. Seriously, is nobody else bothered that "bad guys" look all the same these days?
well I stopped playing attention to most normal media a few years ago... and they kinda always have done that, in less their trying to make us sympathize with em or they want to surprise us that they are the bad guys. then we get they pretty bad guys.
and ugly are always mooks, so we're gonna be lucky if stupid space orc is as bad as it gets.
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I'm definitely going to try it, because... Star Trek. But I have to admit I'm a little disappointed that it looks so much like KT Trek as well. Oh well...the bit of techie in me would imagine that modern production equipment and special effects (props not withstanding) would almost certainly produce a product that looks more advanced than that of the '60s. One can either accept that or skip watching. For me new Star Trek will trump disappointment.
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Hmm so thats what passes for Klingons these days? Blue color monsters..Am a bit in no mans land here as the tech seen in the videos looks more TNG era and the lighting style looks more JJ style given the fact that its set 10 years before the Kirk Enterprise..Granted TOS was the 60's and JJ was 2000's..Will wait and see where this goes..
The problem I have with this is, modernizing props or not, it immedeatly seems dated looking at the trailer. I think this is also a big problem I have with everything ENT and following and a big part of it is - the music. Look at TNG remastered - it seems timeless. Of course there are some RL elements you can tell it's a 80s show by, but the instrumental music and the overall imagery in the upscaled version looks almost brand new and the themes are still current. As is TOS, although the 60s are strong here, in principal many things could still work today. The new Treks have exchanged a large portion of the intrumental soundtrack to pop songs, and those IMMEDEATLY date the movie/show and in maybe a decade (if not immedeatly) people might say "Ugh, that song is so 2017". By "modernizing" everything we see, instead of taking the old designs and make them more plausible, we leave the realm of make-believe and reach some "pseudo realism" level which has a much shorter lifespan in my opinion. If DSC would have taken the route Star Wars took and recreated faithful old props but added high-tech like holograms and such where it makes sense (briefing table for example, advanced viewscreens) we would have been far better off in my opinion.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The problem I have with this is, modernizing props or not, it immedeatly seems dated looking at the trailer. I think this is also a big problem I have with everything ENT and following and a big part of it is - the music. Look at TNG remastered - it seems timeless. Of course there are some RL elements you can tell it's a 80s show by, but the instrumental music and the overall imagery in the upscaled version looks almost brand new and the themes are still current. As is TOS, although the 60s are strong here, in principal many things could still work today. The new Treks have exchanged a large portion of the intrumental soundtrack to pop songs, and those IMMEDEATLY date the movie/show and in maybe a decade (if not immedeatly) people might say "Ugh, that song is so 2017". By "modernizing" everything we see, instead of taking the old designs and make them more plausible, we leave the realm of make-believe and reach some "pseudo realism" level which has a much shorter lifespan in my opinion. If DSC would have taken the route Star Wars took and recreated faithful old props but added high-tech like holograms and such where it makes sense (briefing table for example, advanced viewscreens or similiar) we would have been far better off in my opinion.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
And the punchline is that it would have worked perfectly if set in a future timeline with giving these antagonist Aliens a new name.
Why this damn unhealthy fixation to play in the established past eras combined with the utter incompetence to do it accordingly? Wanna do new stuff? Do it in a future timeline.
These Aliens would look cool as new type of Aliens. Calling them Klingons after how thoroughly they have been established and evolved from TMP till end of Voy scream of .disregarding ignorance.
Oh please. Someone needs a refresher on Klingon appearance changes over the run of the Star Trek franchise:
ST:TMP: First time the Klingons looked different from the Star Trek TV series Klingons, and the first time we heard the Klingon language spoken.
STIII:TSFS: Second time we see Klingons AND these Klingons look very different from how they looked in ST:TMP
ST:TNG TV Series: Third time we really see Klingons - and they do look similar to STIII:TSFS Klingons. Klingon look becomes in general more consistent (some minor changes season to season with Worf. We also see Klingon blood is in fact red in TNG: "Redemption II" - when Worf cerimoniously cuts ghimself as his family honor is restored
STVI:TUC: Here we have Klingons again, but they do look (again) quite different from pervious Klingon versions - and here their blood is pink.
ENT: Klingons here look like TNG style Klingons again.
My point? Even in the so called 'Prime' Universe sorry, but the 'Klingon look' from ST:TMP on (and back in the 'past' of TOS on ENT) has never been consistent. BUT, everything listed above is a part of the 'Prime' Star Trek universe from 1966 - Now.
The difference is in the subtlety. DIS has none in that regard. Its OK if you look forward to this, part of me does too. And if I did knew nothing of Trek I'd probably even love that trailer. But the dumbness in placing "all new trek" combined with the utter disregard of the era they place it in (was 10y before Kirk Spock not already a ranking Starfleet officer?) kills off almost any excitement it might otherwise evoke.
Some people are positing the idea that these "Klingons" are not Klingons, but Hurq.
Also, the outfits the "Klingons" are wearing are awfully reminiscent of the Xindi Reptilian outfits from Enterprise...
About the only thing I liked from the trailer was the Starfleet uniforms. I think they would be a welcome addition to the uniform lineup in the game.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
Some people are positing the idea that these "Klingons" are not Klingons, but Hurq.
Also, the outfits the "Klingons" are wearing are awfully reminiscent of the Xindi Reptilian outfits from Enterprise...
About the only thing I liked from the trailer was the Starfleet uniforms. I think they would be a welcome addition to the uniform lineup in the game.
I heard there is an ancient-klingon theory, and the prop box is labeled coffinship? And the klingons, the outfit aside, is what i would expect from modernize klingons. It looks similar, but more alien an strange.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Some people are positing the idea that these "Klingons" are not Klingons, but Hurq.
Also, the outfits the "Klingons" are wearing are awfully reminiscent of the Xindi Reptilian outfits from Enterprise...
About the only thing I liked from the trailer was the Starfleet uniforms. I think they would be a welcome addition to the uniform lineup in the game.
I heard there is an ancient-klingon theory, and the prop box is labeled coffinship? And the klingons, the outfit aside, is what i would expect from modernize klingons. It looks similar, but more alien an strange.
I could accept that if the show were set in the Kelvin Universe or another alternate universe. However, setting it in the Prime Universe and making the Klingons look far different from the originals (either ridge headed or smooth headed) spits right in the face of canon. At this stage in the Prime Universe history, the Klingons should be largely smooth headed with some bumpy headed ones tossed in for effect. Even if they are "ancient Klingons," they should still look more reminiscent of the bumpy headed Klingons than they do.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
When they announced DIS sets in 2250s, its no secret that some things will get updated, but the radical and complete change is a bit shock for many.
They could have do what TNG or ENT did; start 100 years later or earlier, making room for complete new aesthetic and technology.
But they just had to pick a time so deeply entrenched in the 60s, and instead of at least try to make some connection to the old tos-era and its unique distinct looks, the creators just go for the utterly forgettable and generic current sci-fi fad that will go out of style soon. The TOS-look updated would look very distinct and timeless, you show it to people andthey will immediatly recognize it as Kirk and Star Trek. The new one??? Generic sci-fi 3000.
Maybe this isnt the best example, but I say Gundam UC had some quite interesting visual updates. There are still old landline telephones-esque telephones and cockpite design carreid over from dcades ago, but they all have been updated with buttons replace with digital controls. TOS brdige could benefits from this too; bigger computer screens, display all the button graphics with a touch screen etc.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
When they announced DIS sets in 2250s, its no secret that some things will get updated, but the radical and complete change is a bit shock for many.
They could have do what TNG or ENT did; start 100 years later or earlier, making room for complete new aesthetic and technology.
But they just had to pick a time so deeply entrenched in the 60s, and instead of at least try to make some connection to the old tos-era and its unique distinct looks, the creators just go for the utterly forgettable and generic current sci-fi fad that will go out of style soon. The TOS-look updated would look very distinct and timeless, you show it to people andthey will immediatly recognize it as Kirk and Star Trek. The new one??? Generic sci-fi 3000.
Maybe this isnt the best example, but I say Gundam UC had some quite interesting visual updates. There are still old landline telephones-esque telephones and cockpite design carreid over from dcades ago, but they all have been updated with buttons replace with digital controls. TOS brdige could benefits from this too; bigger computer screens, display all the button graphics with a touch screen etc.
That's exactly what I meant
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
When they announced DIS sets in 2250s, its no secret that some things will get updated, but the radical and complete change is a bit shock for many.
They could have do what TNG or ENT did; start 100 years later or earlier, making room for complete new aesthetic and technology.
But they just had to pick a time so deeply entrenched in the 60s, and instead of at least try to make some connection to the old tos-era and its unique distinct looks, the creators just go for the utterly forgettable and generic current sci-fi fad that will go out of style soon. The TOS-look updated would look very distinct and timeless, you show it to people andthey will immediatly recognize it as Kirk and Star Trek. The new one??? Generic sci-fi 3000.
Maybe this isnt the best example, but I say Gundam UC had some quite interesting visual updates. There are still old landline telephones-esque telephones and cockpite design carreid over from dcades ago, but they all have been updated with buttons replace with digital controls. TOS brdige could benefits from this too; bigger computer screens, display all the button graphics with a touch screen etc.
actually gundam pretty good about keeping things in the same ball park, period. I just did a rewatch of build and build try. despite being a mashup of thing from all over the place nothing is outright out of place looking. if you seen any gundam if shown moble suits from a totally different universe you probably can point out the gundams pretty easily.
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I mean the viewscreens show Klingon insignia when the red alert thing sounds, but it doesn't actually link them directly to the guys with the weird armour etc.
They look more like some sort of weird Xindi-Na'kuhl hybrid to me, possibly another species and we are mean to think they are KDF?
Who knows?
Plus that ship looks "marginally" better than the first teaser, and i gather that is not the Discovery itself. Looks even more Fed/KDF hybrid there though.
However, setting it in the Prime Universe and making the Klingons look far different from the originals (either ridge headed or smooth headed) spits right in the face of canon. At this stage in the Prime Universe history, the Klingons should be largely smooth headed with some bumpy headed ones tossed in for effect. Even if they are "ancient Klingons," they should still look more reminiscent of the bumpy headed Klingons than they do.
Which Klingons would you like them to look most like? Humans in brown-face? TMPDinos? Humans with drawn on lines from TUC? Oversized playdough heads from TNG? Any of the dozen of different styles reused in TNG, DS9, VGR, and ENT?
How does the new Klingon differ significantly from Worf any more than Chang did or Kor?
Now I can see a picture of the new style Klingons (an ancestral one apparently) it's even better than it appeared in the trailer. The only significant difference seem to be the colour (blue as opposed to brown), much wider nose make up than even the ID version, and ridges that flair up around the eyes. Considering there's huge differences seen in other versions of the make up, such as TMPs back of the head ridges or IDs neck/throat ridges (ignore the chin, that's not on the film version) I'm not seeing the problem at all. If people don't like specifics of the look, fine, I'm not cray about the TMP style, I just don't pretend it dosn't look Klingon because the only Klingon I can picture is Worf and imagine all the rest look identical to him.
Edit: There's brown ones and I'm not seeing a single part of this that would look out of place in DS9 at all beyond the stupid costume.
I mean the viewscreens show Klingon insignia when the red alert thing sounds, but it doesn't actually link them directly to the guys with the weird armour etc.
Nooo. Of course they're not, despite the fact that there's not a single major difference in their stylings from the TNG/DS9/ID version.
And obviously the press releases.
As for the aesthetics?
It's not generic and won't get dated simply because it's realistic. Star Trek certainly has a style that exists from TWoK to VGR that is nicely timeless but the TOS and TMP styles are incredibly kitsch and dated like hell. Franchises that stand the test of time have elements of realism to them, that's the reason Star Wars was able to use the same styles in the 70s and 80s in the original films, in the early 2000s in the prequels, late 2000s in TCW, and the 10s in Rebels and Rogue One. Realism, dark muted colours, used looks, industrial styling, darker lighting, functionality. It's the same with Red Dwarf or Alien and again with ENT and the KT films and DSC. Like TWoK to VGR they will never look dated because they fit our expectations of reality. We're heavily influenced by fiction in real life which is why things are blue lit when holographic now, because of science fiction, it would be silly not to reciprocate and make fiction reflect reality.
Looking back from 2017 TOS/TAS and TMP are the exceptions to the rule in Star Trek for pretty much the entire direction of the franchise baring the first series of TNG.
You people want a flop, embarrassing 60s primary colours, cardboard sets, and jelly bean buttons is how you do it. You remove the audience from the production by removing their sense of reality, of a working universe. There is no way to update but keep the same feel of TOS that worked in Star Wars which is why it was scrapped for TWoK creating a utilitarian style that would last until to VGR.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Judging by trailers I am more excited for "The Orville" than this. But anyone who doesn't like this is just butthurt and can't adapt to new things, IDIC blah blah blah so I probably won't wste my time commenting on this a lot.
The best thing the DIS trailer actually did for me, seeing enough ppl over the net refer to "The Orville" in DIS trailer discussions that I got curious enough to find out about it. What a pleasant surprise; I AM looking more forward to it than for DIS
However, setting it in the Prime Universe and making the Klingons look far different from the originals (either ridge headed or smooth headed) spits right in the face of canon. At this stage in the Prime Universe history, the Klingons should be largely smooth headed with some bumpy headed ones tossed in for effect. Even if they are "ancient Klingons," they should still look more reminiscent of the bumpy headed Klingons than they do.
Which Klingons would you like them to look most like? Humans in brown-face? TMPDinos? Humans with drawn on lines from TUC? Oversized playdough heads from TNG? Any of the dozen of different styles reused in TNG, DS9, VGR, and ENT?
How does the new Klingon differ significantly from Worf any more than Chang did or Kor?
Now I can see a picture of the new style Klingons (an ancestral one apparently) it's even better than it appeared in the trailer. The only significant difference seem to be the colour (blue as opposed to brown), much wider nose make up than even the ID version, and ridges that flair up around the eyes. Considering there's huge differences seen in other versions of the make up, such as TMPs back of the head ridges or IDs neck/throat ridges (ignore the chin, that's not on the film version) I'm not seeing the problem at all. If people don't like specifics of the look, fine, I'm not cray about the TMP style, I just don't pretend it dosn't look Klingon because the only Klingon I can picture is Worf and imagine all the rest look identical to him.
Edit: There's brown ones and I'm not seeing a single part of this that would look out of place in DS9 at all beyond the stupid costume.
I mean the viewscreens show Klingon insignia when the red alert thing sounds, but it doesn't actually link them directly to the guys with the weird armour etc.
Nooo. Of course they're not, despite the fact that there's not a single major difference in their stylings from the TNG/DS9/ID version.
And obviously the press releases.
As for the aesthetics?
It's not generic and won't get dated simply because it's realistic. Star Trek certainly has a style that exists from TWoK to VGR that is nicely timeless but the TOS and TMP styles are incredibly kitsch and dated like hell. Franchises that stand the test of time have elements of realism to them, that's the reason Star Wars was able to use the same styles in the 70s and 80s in the original films, in the early 2000s in the prequels, late 2000s in TCW, and the 10s in Rebels and Rogue One. Realism, dark muted colours, used looks, industrial styling, darker lighting, functionality. It's the same with Red Dwarf or Alien and again with ENT and the KT films and DSC. Like TWoK to VGR they will never look dated because they fit our expectations of reality. We're heavily influenced by fiction in real life which is why things are blue lit when holographic now, because of science fiction, it would be silly not to reciprocate and make fiction reflect reality.
Looking back from 2017 TOS/TAS and TMP are the exceptions to the rule in Star Trek for pretty much the entire direction of the franchise baring the first series of TNG.
You people want a flop, embarrassing 60s primary colours, cardboard sets, and jelly bean buttons is how you do it. You remove the audience from the production by removing their sense of reality, of a working universe. There is no way to update but keep the same feel of TOS that worked in Star Wars which is why it was scrapped for TWoK creating a utilitarian style that would last until to VGR.
Its not the fans fault the producers behind DIS suck. Blame them.
However, setting it in the Prime Universe and making the Klingons look far different from the originals (either ridge headed or smooth headed) spits right in the face of canon. At this stage in the Prime Universe history, the Klingons should be largely smooth headed with some bumpy headed ones tossed in for effect. Even if they are "ancient Klingons," they should still look more reminiscent of the bumpy headed Klingons than they do.
Which Klingons would you like them to look most like? Humans in brown-face? TMPDinos? Humans with drawn on lines from TUC? Oversized playdough heads from TNG? Any of the dozen of different styles reused in TNG, DS9, VGR, and ENT?
How does the new Klingon differ significantly from Worf any more than Chang did or Kor?
Now I can see a picture of the new style Klingons (an ancestral one apparently) it's even better than it appeared in the trailer. The only significant difference seem to be the colour (blue as opposed to brown), much wider nose make up than even the ID version, and ridges that flair up around the eyes. Considering there's huge differences seen in other versions of the make up, such as TMPs back of the head ridges or IDs neck/throat ridges (ignore the chin, that's not on the film version) I'm not seeing the problem at all. If people don't like specifics of the look, fine, I'm not cray about the TMP style, I just don't pretend it dosn't look Klingon because the only Klingon I can picture is Worf and imagine all the rest look identical to him.
Edit: There's brown ones and I'm not seeing a single part of this that would look out of place in DS9 at all beyond the stupid costume.
I mean the viewscreens show Klingon insignia when the red alert thing sounds, but it doesn't actually link them directly to the guys with the weird armour etc.
Nooo. Of course they're not, despite the fact that there's not a single major difference in their stylings from the TNG/DS9/ID version.
And obviously the press releases.
As for the aesthetics?
It's not generic and won't get dated simply because it's realistic. Star Trek certainly has a style that exists from TWoK to VGR that is nicely timeless but the TOS and TMP styles are incredibly kitsch and dated like hell. Franchises that stand the test of time have elements of realism to them, that's the reason Star Wars was able to use the same styles in the 70s and 80s in the original films, in the early 2000s in the prequels, late 2000s in TCW, and the 10s in Rebels and Rogue One. Realism, dark muted colours, used looks, industrial styling, darker lighting, functionality. It's the same with Red Dwarf or Alien and again with ENT and the KT films and DSC. Like TWoK to VGR they will never look dated because they fit our expectations of reality. We're heavily influenced by fiction in real life which is why things are blue lit when holographic now, because of science fiction, it would be silly not to reciprocate and make fiction reflect reality.
Looking back from 2017 TOS/TAS and TMP are the exceptions to the rule in Star Trek for pretty much the entire direction of the franchise baring the first series of TNG.
You people want a flop, embarrassing 60s primary colours, cardboard sets, and jelly bean buttons is how you do it. You remove the audience from the production by removing their sense of reality, of a working universe. There is no way to update but keep the same feel of TOS that worked in Star Wars which is why it was scrapped for TWoK creating a utilitarian style that would last until to VGR.
Its not the fans fault the producers behind DIS suck. Blame them.
YEAH! Nicholas Meyer knows s**t about making good Star Trek...!
> @valoreah said: > (...) > It does make one wonder if these aren't really Klingons.
Possible. But even if that turns out to be true, there are already a hell of a lot wrinkle/meltface grimdark evils in there that could belong into every simgle sci-fi or fantasy show since Buffy xD
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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Meyer, despite twok creds, is a consultant to the show. And klingons do look alot like the classic with modern touch up, well the eyes might be a tad small... its the weird thing they wear, just screams SUPER EVIL VILLIAN THST EST GORN EGGS.
And tng aesthtic isnt anymore used than tos, certainly not used when compare to SW(except star destroyers which is clean as TRIBBLE). And i dunno about holograms, but the closest thing we got, like touchscreen, and huds certainly isnt neonblue everywhere. No one said they want 1960s replica to 100%. Aesthetic will change, the look we have today wont last forever. SW is already retro in a way with how heavily industrial they are and lacking the big TRIBBLE touch screens everywhere(or compsre it to MEA or Passenger), the prequels hologram and other flashy moderness was picked on by people. Rogue One and TFA is still retro despite how new they are
Apperently its bad and will make shows flop for not wanting the uniformly boring neonblue/gray.
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The Klingons aren't so bad. Stupid costumes not withstanding their make up is more similar to the TNG style than the TMP or ID styles were. Also, it's never ever said all Klingons were affected with the Augment Virus anywhere in canon. Ever. Ridged Klingons in the TOS era is not a problem, at all. The same as when they appeared in ID and TMP.
Also, a lot of the problems with design are nullified if this were to be advertised as a equal to ENT and the Kelvin not as a prequel to The Cage/TOS because there is a clear and distinct design lineage that runs from the NX to the Kelvin and to the Shenzou/Discovery and spins off into the KT. Even to the space suits, more similar to the MACO EV sits and the space diving suits of 09 than the painted tinfoil of TOS. The interiors of the ship feel very like the Kelvin or Franklin and the lighting is very like the Kelvin.
If anyone was expecting TOS aesthetics over ENT/KT aesthetics for this show they are delusional.
I am not a big fan of the lighting and cinematography shown, however it's a trailer, it could be tampered with to disguise unfinished effects and poor rendering that has yet to be smoothed over.
Pretty much this, LOL.
The positivity of yesterday seems to be devolving into fear and hate. I guess that shouldn't be surprising, but as you noted... it seems a lot of fans are comparing 1966-69 to 2017, instead of 2154-2233 to 2255. If Enterprise is every bit as canon as the rest of Trek, and the USS Kelvin and USS Franklin are accepted into canon (as they should be), then there should be no gripes. This looks like a very natural progression from those points. And as for the Klingons? To me, either the Ancient Klingons theory or the Hur'q theory would sink this uproar over the looks of the Klinks. No matter what you think of the aesthetics of the trailer, we still lack context and content.
It's going to take some adjustment, sure... but I'm a big boy, and I'm willing to give it a shot.
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I despise Voyager. Some Star Trek fans are going to despise this. Perfect. It can't be for everyone and they've decided to bet on me. How refreshing. I look forward to encouraging them to continue to do so.
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Yeah, great work. They turned Klingons into generic wrinkly faced orks litterally every single sci-fi or fantasy movie has as their villians. Seriously, is nobody else bothered that "bad guys" look all the same these days?
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I hope the storyline will be good. Moral dilemma's, lessons for humanity, that kind of thing. No destruction of planets please, that's not really a reason for optimism
well I stopped playing attention to most normal media a few years ago... and they kinda always have done that, in less their trying to make us sympathize with em or they want to surprise us that they are the bad guys. then we get they pretty bad guys.
and ugly are always mooks, so we're gonna be lucky if stupid space orc is as bad as it gets.
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One can either accept that or skip watching.
For me new Star Trek will trump disappointment.
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The difference is in the subtlety. DIS has none in that regard. Its OK if you look forward to this, part of me does too. And if I did knew nothing of Trek I'd probably even love that trailer. But the dumbness in placing "all new trek" combined with the utter disregard of the era they place it in (was 10y before Kirk Spock not already a ranking Starfleet officer?) kills off almost any excitement it might otherwise evoke.
Also, the outfits the "Klingons" are wearing are awfully reminiscent of the Xindi Reptilian outfits from Enterprise...
About the only thing I liked from the trailer was the Starfleet uniforms. I think they would be a welcome addition to the uniform lineup in the game.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
I heard there is an ancient-klingon theory, and the prop box is labeled coffinship? And the klingons, the outfit aside, is what i would expect from modernize klingons. It looks similar, but more alien an strange.
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I could accept that if the show were set in the Kelvin Universe or another alternate universe. However, setting it in the Prime Universe and making the Klingons look far different from the originals (either ridge headed or smooth headed) spits right in the face of canon. At this stage in the Prime Universe history, the Klingons should be largely smooth headed with some bumpy headed ones tossed in for effect. Even if they are "ancient Klingons," they should still look more reminiscent of the bumpy headed Klingons than they do.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
P.S. The klingonsish reminded me of remans more that xindi.
They could have do what TNG or ENT did; start 100 years later or earlier, making room for complete new aesthetic and technology.
But they just had to pick a time so deeply entrenched in the 60s, and instead of at least try to make some connection to the old tos-era and its unique distinct looks, the creators just go for the utterly forgettable and generic current sci-fi fad that will go out of style soon. The TOS-look updated would look very distinct and timeless, you show it to people andthey will immediatly recognize it as Kirk and Star Trek. The new one??? Generic sci-fi 3000.
Maybe this isnt the best example, but I say Gundam UC had some quite interesting visual updates. There are still old landline telephones-esque telephones and cockpite design carreid over from dcades ago, but they all have been updated with buttons replace with digital controls. TOS brdige could benefits from this too; bigger computer screens, display all the button graphics with a touch screen etc.
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That's exactly what I meant
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actually gundam pretty good about keeping things in the same ball park, period. I just did a rewatch of build and build try. despite being a mashup of thing from all over the place nothing is outright out of place looking. if you seen any gundam if shown moble suits from a totally different universe you probably can point out the gundams pretty easily.
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I mean the viewscreens show Klingon insignia when the red alert thing sounds, but it doesn't actually link them directly to the guys with the weird armour etc.
They look more like some sort of weird Xindi-Na'kuhl hybrid to me, possibly another species and we are mean to think they are KDF?
Who knows?
Plus that ship looks "marginally" better than the first teaser, and i gather that is not the Discovery itself. Looks even more Fed/KDF hybrid there though.
Which Klingons would you like them to look most like? Humans in brown-face? TMPDinos? Humans with drawn on lines from TUC? Oversized playdough heads from TNG? Any of the dozen of different styles reused in TNG, DS9, VGR, and ENT?
How does the new Klingon differ significantly from Worf any more than Chang did or Kor?
Now I can see a picture of the new style Klingons (an ancestral one apparently) it's even better than it appeared in the trailer. The only significant difference seem to be the colour (blue as opposed to brown), much wider nose make up than even the ID version, and ridges that flair up around the eyes. Considering there's huge differences seen in other versions of the make up, such as TMPs back of the head ridges or IDs neck/throat ridges (ignore the chin, that's not on the film version) I'm not seeing the problem at all. If people don't like specifics of the look, fine, I'm not cray about the TMP style, I just don't pretend it dosn't look Klingon because the only Klingon I can picture is Worf and imagine all the rest look identical to him.
Edit: There's brown ones and I'm not seeing a single part of this that would look out of place in DS9 at all beyond the stupid costume.
Nooo. Of course they're not, despite the fact that there's not a single major difference in their stylings from the TNG/DS9/ID version.
And obviously the press releases.
As for the aesthetics?
It's not generic and won't get dated simply because it's realistic. Star Trek certainly has a style that exists from TWoK to VGR that is nicely timeless but the TOS and TMP styles are incredibly kitsch and dated like hell. Franchises that stand the test of time have elements of realism to them, that's the reason Star Wars was able to use the same styles in the 70s and 80s in the original films, in the early 2000s in the prequels, late 2000s in TCW, and the 10s in Rebels and Rogue One. Realism, dark muted colours, used looks, industrial styling, darker lighting, functionality. It's the same with Red Dwarf or Alien and again with ENT and the KT films and DSC. Like TWoK to VGR they will never look dated because they fit our expectations of reality. We're heavily influenced by fiction in real life which is why things are blue lit when holographic now, because of science fiction, it would be silly not to reciprocate and make fiction reflect reality.
Looking back from 2017 TOS/TAS and TMP are the exceptions to the rule in Star Trek for pretty much the entire direction of the franchise baring the first series of TNG.
You people want a flop, embarrassing 60s primary colours, cardboard sets, and jelly bean buttons is how you do it. You remove the audience from the production by removing their sense of reality, of a working universe. There is no way to update but keep the same feel of TOS that worked in Star Wars which is why it was scrapped for TWoK creating a utilitarian style that would last until to VGR.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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The best thing the DIS trailer actually did for me, seeing enough ppl over the net refer to "The Orville" in DIS trailer discussions that I got curious enough to find out about it. What a pleasant surprise; I AM looking more forward to it than for DIS
Its not the fans fault the producers behind DIS suck. Blame them.
YEAH! Nicholas Meyer knows s**t about making good Star Trek...!
> (...)
> It does make one wonder if these aren't really Klingons.
Possible. But even if that turns out to be true, there are already a hell of a lot wrinkle/meltface grimdark evils in there that could belong into every simgle sci-fi or fantasy show since Buffy xD
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And tng aesthtic isnt anymore used than tos, certainly not used when compare to SW(except star destroyers which is clean as TRIBBLE). And i dunno about holograms, but the closest thing we got, like touchscreen, and huds certainly isnt neonblue everywhere. No one said they want 1960s replica to 100%. Aesthetic will change, the look we have today wont last forever. SW is already retro in a way with how heavily industrial they are and lacking the big TRIBBLE touch screens everywhere(or compsre it to MEA or Passenger), the prequels hologram and other flashy moderness was picked on by people. Rogue One and TFA is still retro despite how new they are
Apperently its bad and will make shows flop for not wanting the uniformly boring neonblue/gray.
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Pretty much this, LOL.
The positivity of yesterday seems to be devolving into fear and hate. I guess that shouldn't be surprising, but as you noted... it seems a lot of fans are comparing 1966-69 to 2017, instead of 2154-2233 to 2255. If Enterprise is every bit as canon as the rest of Trek, and the USS Kelvin and USS Franklin are accepted into canon (as they should be), then there should be no gripes. This looks like a very natural progression from those points. And as for the Klingons? To me, either the Ancient Klingons theory or the Hur'q theory would sink this uproar over the looks of the Klinks. No matter what you think of the aesthetics of the trailer, we still lack context and content.
It's going to take some adjustment, sure... but I'm a big boy, and I'm willing to give it a shot.