OMG OMG!!! Trolls from Lord of Rings on Sto!!! what is next??? the bow of Legolas?
I already have the Gandalf's staff!!!
OH! Now that would be an awesome ranged weapon for the inevitable Tzenkethi Reputation Ground Set, an energy bow.
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Well, now to wait and see if there's more BOFFs/DOFFs for me to add to my collection of space lizards.
Which is going nicely. I'll have Nelen Exil in less than a week now, got my Gorn BOFF, got almost all the Gorn DOFFs available to Feds (save the crit defection guys), couple of the Voth DOFFs and ample fleet credits for whenever I can get into a fleet where I can buy em' (trying to help my current fleet, but all the high ranking folks seem to have gone inactive, meaning no new projects can start...), got all but a couple of the Hirogen DOFFs, then a nice smattering of Saurian DOFFs.
Still have no Xindi-Reptilians or Tosk, but they'll come in time. And then I guess I need to decide if Jem'Hadar and Rigellians are reptilian enough to earn a spot about the Space Lizard Barge.
Femme fetale aliens I hear you say: Tzenkethi Queen boss, 4x the size of the males = Alien Queen + Indepandance day queen + praying mantis + Orion Seduction + tenticles + Bio Assimilation.
'You walk through an abandoned Tzenkethi Nest, bodies are rotting around you all of differing sizes and spiecies but no signs of a battle. You come accross a familier sight, a Ferengi but severely disfigured and double the size still holding a PADD. As you pick up you notice It's at least 200 years old but still functional so you open the last entry.
"Inventory log 106, Lots of precious cargo here ripe for the picking" " Quoon! Pick up that Helmet and throw it here."
'You tap your communicator,' "There seems to be Breen remains further down but his cold suit looks as if he outgrew it in a hurry."
"Inventory log 106 supplimental, the helmet was broken but not worthless however, my scans indicate a strong pheremonal presence. Too bad I have the only rebreather! bottling this stuff for perfume will make me richer than the Grand Nagus Himself. Quoon, get back here!"
"Help, Help me I'm to important to die, Quoon was swallowed up by 20 foot tenticled monster, I'm getting out of here - he who profits and runs away lives to profit another day!"
'You smirk that Ferengi have never changed and continue the log.'
"Quoon has just hatched from an egg, he must be 8 feet tall and coming after me, I'm sorry for cutting you out of the last deal, it was just business! Quoon, Quoon? AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!"
'The message ends there, you tap your comm,'"Admiral, it seems the Tzenkethi have a queen, it uses pheromones and possibly telepathy to lure pray and absorbs their DNA to replicate it's offspring. I recommend rebreathers when engaging and a lot of luck."
That's not at all what I had imagined a Tzenkethi to look like (another reptilian?) but at least it's creative. I like the multiple drone thing and hope for new drones for our captains as well. Engineers need more drones!
The Tzenkethi's design appears to be based on a comment made by Robert Hewitt Wolfe, a writer on many episodes of DS9
Robert Hewitt Wolfe said, in December 2006, that he thought he had named the Tzenkethi by combining the name Kzinti (from Larry Niven's race of aliens that appeared in the Star Trek: The Animated Series episode "The Slaver Weapon") with Tsankth, after a race from the RuneQuest and HeroQuest RPGs. Wolfe also said he did not picture them as cats like the Kzinti, but as being like the Hakazit from Jack L. Chalker's Well of Souls novels. He saw the Tzenkethi as being "heavily-armored lizard things."
forgot about that makes my original thought on them being a halo rip off to be incorrect.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Femme fetale aliens I hear you say: Tzenkethi Queen boss, 4x the size of the males = Alien Queen + Indepandance day queen + praying mantis + Orion Seduction + tenticles + Bio Assimilation.
'You walk through an abandoned Tzenkethi Nest, bodies are rotting around you all of differing sizes and spiecies but no signs of a battle. You come accross a familier sight, a Ferengi but severely disfigured and double the size still holding a PADD. As you pick up you notice It's at least 200 years old but still functional so you open the last entry.
"Inventory log 106, Lots of precious cargo here ripe for the picking" " Quoon! Pick up that Helmet and throw it here."
'You tap your communicator,' "There seems to be Breen remains further down but his cold suit looks as if he outgrew it in a hurry."
"Inventory log 106 supplimental, the helmet was broken but not worthless however, my scans indicate a strong pheremonal presence. Too bad I have the only rebreather! bottling this stuff for perfume will make me richer than the Grand Nagus Himself. Quoon, get back here!"
"Help, Help me I'm to important to die, Quoon was swallowed up by 20 foot tenticled monster, I'm getting out of here - he who profits and runs away lives to profit another day!"
'You smirk that Ferengi have never changed and continue the log.'
"Quoon has just hatched from an egg, he must be 8 feet tall and coming after me, I'm sorry for cutting you out of the last deal, it was just business! Quoon, Quoon? AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!"
'The message ends there, you tap your comm,'"Admiral, it seems the Tzenkethi have a queen, it uses pheromones and possibly telepathy to lure pray and absorbs their DNA to replicate it's offspring. I recommend rebreathers when engaging and a lot of luck."
Now we have an Alien threat, A true femme fetale.
my thought on the matter is. we should start building a rapid firing cluster hargh'peng torpedo launcher and dreadnought carrier capable of mounting such a weapon equipped with enhanced battlecloak.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Just an idea but it was mentioned that they haven't decided how to make them move. Maybe they could walk on all fours when not in combat, sort of an evolutionary thing, walk on all fours but with the head and chest raised (due to their long arms) so being able to still use their smaller arms. That way the shorter rear legs would seem the right proportion. (hmm I s'pose it would be a bit gorilla-like.
I hope that they have something that counters BFAW. That'd be hilarious!
What a great idea!
Please, please, please, do something like this.
We have the Undine which seem very anti-escort, (all the slows and turning debuffs they have) so I think this would be a great balance. They are making people use their heads in ground combat against these new enemies so why not also in space combat, and seeing as the vast majority of people use BFAW then, yeah, that'd be great lol.
my thought on the matter is. we should start building a rapid firing cluster hargh'peng torpedo launcher and dreadnought carrier capable of mounting such a weapon equipped with enhanced battlecloak.
Space mounted dreadnought torpedo launcher, warp powered high yeild antimatter detonation and due to the picard manouver your ememy is destroyed before it's left your ship
I guess there are 2 concepts behind the designs for the Tzenkethi
1. "Uh, they became mosquitoes in the later books? Bah. Heavily armored lizard things FTW." -Robert Hewitt Wolfe
2. "Externally humanoid, but internally quite different. Their skeleton is made up of several fluid-filled sacs, which can be contracted and expanded at will. This allows an unusual flexibility for a humanoid body." -ST Novels
I wonder if we will get a chance to meet both types of designs in game? I know they have released the concept art for their Lizard design...but maybe the novel version will be re-imagined into another alien race in game?
my only solid complaint about them is this... .wee voth 2.0 for 6 episodes or so, then forgotten forevermore like every other "antagonist" race for the last 6yrs
I guess there are 2 concepts behind the designs for the Tzenkethi
1. "Uh, they became mosquitoes in the later books? Bah. Heavily armored lizard things FTW." -Robert Hewitt Wolfe
2. "Externally humanoid, but internally quite different. Their skeleton is made up of several fluid-filled sacs, which can be contracted and expanded at will. This allows an unusual flexibility for a humanoid body." -ST Novels
I wonder if we will get a chance to meet both types of designs in game? I know they have released the concept art for their Lizard design...but maybe the novel version will be re-imagined into another alien race in game?
An army of Kif Kroker's coming at the player isn't exactly threatening in any way so no, I really hope not in terms of a villain race. (And how they're described is EXACTLY like an Amphibiosan from Futurama. Enjoy having that image tied to them from now on) As a side race who aren't interested in conflict? Sure. As an adversary that I'm supposed to feel could cause issues if left unchecked? Hahahahaha, no.
my only solid complaint about them is this... .wee voth 2.0 for 6 episodes or so, then forgotten forevermore like every other "antagonist" race for the last 6yrs
Except no antagonist race has ever been forgotten except maybe the Dividians.
really? when was the last time voth saw new content? or the spoonheads? or the borg even?
I just wish Cryptic had taken this direction earlier, instead of going with the god-level Iconians and the time travel clusterfunk.
I don't see what was bad about either of those.
Time travel:
The way time travel works in the game is that the writing treats possible timelines like parallel dimensions. That's why we have Kelvin timeline ships, and why Daniels could somehow come back unscathed after dying. That would actually cause a complete circus since there's a near-infinite number of possible timelines, and the inhabitants of any of those could choose to meddle with time. It's also in reality impossible to police, since you can just travel back in time and stop the police from existing.
In the billions of years of universe existing, plenty of species will want to make their own tweaks to their timeline. Eventually you have a constantly shifting spaghetti of timelines where everything you achieve could be wiped out at any second, so nothing has any significance.
In short: It's a plothole creation machine that can be neat for a single adventure, but becomes progressively dumber the more you move around in time.
Iconians:
Iconians were a mysterious, supposedly larger-than-life beings that were hinted at for a long time. They were hyped so long that there was probably no possible way to do them in a way that would do them justice. IMO, the elementals ripped off from some JRPG and their fantasy mage minions we ended up with, left me personally fairly unsatisfied.
my only solid complaint about them is this... .wee voth 2.0 for 6 episodes or so, then forgotten forevermore like every other "antagonist" race for the last 6yrs
True. More content around the Voth would be nice too.
Star Trek has never exactly been a model of consistency in how they treat time travel. Sometimes the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum physics holds sway, and each change creates multiple timelines (TNG: "Parallels", the '09 movie), sometimes it affects the timeline you're on at the moment (TOS: "City On the Edge of Forever", TOS: "Tomorrow Is Yesterday"), sometimes you get a predestination paradox where your backtime trip is already an integral part of history (DS9: "Little Green Men", TOS: "Assignment: Earth!"). The Iconian mess seems to be one from column B, two from column C, appetizer and gratuity not included.
really? when was the last time voth saw new content? or the spoonheads? or the borg even?
Voth and Borg got content in Delta Rising, with deep space encounters in the Delta Quadrant("Territory Dispute" and "Assimilation Grounds"), appearances in queues("Borg Disconnected"), and missions(“Revelations”, "Borg Battlefield Patrol", “Jarleth System Patrol”)
The Borg also heavily featured in the Iconian War mission "Butterfly"
Cardassians have shown up at basically every single galactic conference in the game ever since the 2,800 arc(“Surface Tension”, “The Temporal Front”) and even sent ships to help defend earth in "Midnight"
no they appeared in a tiny handful of missions as bit parts, they did not get new content...
Tholians and Sheliak would never team like that with anyone
Tholians are the ones who founded the Typhon Pact in the novelverse.
I can see the Tholians teaming up with other non-humanoid races as a measure to counter the growing influence of the Alpha Quadrant Alliance.
And that didn't tip you off that the novels might be a bit shaky in terms of using canon material properly? The Tholians have always been portrayed as being xenophobic and unwilling to work with outsiders regardless of the circumstances. They would have been far more likely to outright go to war with them before treating other species as equals. Even in the one mission in STO where they're not attempting to dominate everything the ambassador states his people are going to push for what they want instead of what the rest of the galaxy wants. Tholians should never have been portrayed how they were in that novel.
no they appeared in a tiny handful of missions as bit parts, they did not get new content...
>Appearing in missions is not new content!
Since when? That is THE definition of new content.
Im done with you.. sure by the strictest definition it is... but that is not by any means worth mentioning. If you're happy with that, I feel pity for your simple mind
Im done with you.. sure by the strictest definition it is... but that is not by any means worth mentioning. If you're happy with that, I feel pity for your simple mind
I'm really not sure what you expect then, all the factions you listed were thoroughly defeated in the arcs they originally appeared in, and their small appearances afterward is representative of that fact.
Unless you are expecting something as nonsensical as another Voth invasion or something, then I am not sure what you expect.
again, done with you.... especially as this is wandering farther off topic, and you're displaying a real lack of creativity or imagination in what could be done.
I'm surprised no one has made the obvious joke about the title, so I'll say it:
"Eww! I hope they clean up after themselves at least".
Bulky, heavily armored, super strong reptiles are the same concept behind the Gorn and the Voth, adding the extra arms seems like a side trip through Pandora but arriving at much the same place. The work done on these guys is really nice, but the concept is not as original as I might have preferred. Then again, we have a billion humanoid species, so maybe it's not so weird that there are a few different lizard races. Still, I would have preferred something different.
Can you imagine if they looked more like werewolves? That would be interesting!
Look at the TV shows though, soooo many species from TNG were nothing but humans with bumps on their head (as someone already mentioned in the thread), that was something I really used to hate about TNG, and the change from that in Enterprise is one of the reasons I enjoyed that.
Edit mid post. Sorry just noticed you had mentioned it
Time to dust off the weapons and ships. They have been docked for sometime now. And seems they are going to be tough it says as they are like those tanks in MMOs that can absorb damage.
I'm hoping that they will be tanky, that would be cool to see in NPCs. I'm also hoping that their ships will be tanky, kinda like the Samsar was when it was released.
I hope that they have something that counters BFAW. That'd be hilarious!
I hope all their ships have feedback pulse!
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
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Which is going nicely. I'll have Nelen Exil in less than a week now, got my Gorn BOFF, got almost all the Gorn DOFFs available to Feds (save the crit defection guys), couple of the Voth DOFFs and ample fleet credits for whenever I can get into a fleet where I can buy em' (trying to help my current fleet, but all the high ranking folks seem to have gone inactive, meaning no new projects can start...), got all but a couple of the Hirogen DOFFs, then a nice smattering of Saurian DOFFs.
Still have no Xindi-Reptilians or Tosk, but they'll come in time. And then I guess I need to decide if Jem'Hadar and Rigellians are reptilian enough to earn a spot about the Space Lizard Barge.
'You walk through an abandoned Tzenkethi Nest, bodies are rotting around you all of differing sizes and spiecies but no signs of a battle. You come accross a familier sight, a Ferengi but severely disfigured and double the size still holding a PADD. As you pick up you notice It's at least 200 years old but still functional so you open the last entry.
"Inventory log 106, Lots of precious cargo here ripe for the picking" " Quoon! Pick up that Helmet and throw it here."
'You tap your communicator,' "There seems to be Breen remains further down but his cold suit looks as if he outgrew it in a hurry."
"Inventory log 106 supplimental, the helmet was broken but not worthless however, my scans indicate a strong pheremonal presence. Too bad I have the only rebreather! bottling this stuff for perfume will make me richer than the Grand Nagus Himself. Quoon, get back here!"
"Help, Help me I'm to important to die, Quoon was swallowed up by 20 foot tenticled monster, I'm getting out of here - he who profits and runs away lives to profit another day!"
'You smirk that Ferengi have never changed and continue the log.'
"Quoon has just hatched from an egg, he must be 8 feet tall and coming after me, I'm sorry for cutting you out of the last deal, it was just business! Quoon, Quoon? AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!"
'The message ends there, you tap your comm,'"Admiral, it seems the Tzenkethi have a queen, it uses pheromones and possibly telepathy to lure pray and absorbs their DNA to replicate it's offspring. I recommend rebreathers when engaging and a lot of luck."
Now we have an Alien threat, A true femme fetale.
forgot about that makes my original thought on them being a halo rip off to be incorrect.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
my thought on the matter is. we should start building a rapid firing cluster hargh'peng torpedo launcher and dreadnought carrier capable of mounting such a weapon equipped with enhanced battlecloak.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I can't wait to see them in action.
Just an idea but it was mentioned that they haven't decided how to make them move. Maybe they could walk on all fours when not in combat, sort of an evolutionary thing, walk on all fours but with the head and chest raised (due to their long arms) so being able to still use their smaller arms. That way the shorter rear legs would seem the right proportion. (hmm I s'pose it would be a bit gorilla-like.
What a great idea!
Please, please, please, do something like this.
We have the Undine which seem very anti-escort, (all the slows and turning debuffs they have) so I think this would be a great balance. They are making people use their heads in ground combat against these new enemies so why not also in space combat, and seeing as the vast majority of people use BFAW then, yeah, that'd be great lol.
Space mounted dreadnought torpedo launcher, warp powered high yeild antimatter detonation and due to the picard manouver your ememy is destroyed before it's left your ship
Well this is interesting. Guessing these would be tougher then the Vaadwaar I think.
I just wish Cryptic had taken this direction earlier, instead of going with the god-level Iconians and the time travel clusterfunk.
1. "Uh, they became mosquitoes in the later books? Bah. Heavily armored lizard things FTW." -Robert Hewitt Wolfe
2. "Externally humanoid, but internally quite different. Their skeleton is made up of several fluid-filled sacs, which can be contracted and expanded at will. This allows an unusual flexibility for a humanoid body." -ST Novels
I wonder if we will get a chance to meet both types of designs in game? I know they have released the concept art for their Lizard design...but maybe the novel version will be re-imagined into another alien race in game?
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An army of Kif Kroker's coming at the player isn't exactly threatening in any way so no, I really hope not in terms of a villain race. (And how they're described is EXACTLY like an Amphibiosan from Futurama. Enjoy having that image tied to them from now on) As a side race who aren't interested in conflict? Sure. As an adversary that I'm supposed to feel could cause issues if left unchecked? Hahahahaha, no.
really? when was the last time voth saw new content? or the spoonheads? or the borg even?
Time travel:
The way time travel works in the game is that the writing treats possible timelines like parallel dimensions. That's why we have Kelvin timeline ships, and why Daniels could somehow come back unscathed after dying. That would actually cause a complete circus since there's a near-infinite number of possible timelines, and the inhabitants of any of those could choose to meddle with time. It's also in reality impossible to police, since you can just travel back in time and stop the police from existing.
In the billions of years of universe existing, plenty of species will want to make their own tweaks to their timeline. Eventually you have a constantly shifting spaghetti of timelines where everything you achieve could be wiped out at any second, so nothing has any significance.
In short: It's a plothole creation machine that can be neat for a single adventure, but becomes progressively dumber the more you move around in time.
Iconians:
Iconians were a mysterious, supposedly larger-than-life beings that were hinted at for a long time. They were hyped so long that there was probably no possible way to do them in a way that would do them justice. IMO, the elementals ripped off from some JRPG and their fantasy mage minions we ended up with, left me personally fairly unsatisfied.
True. More content around the Voth would be nice too.
no they appeared in a tiny handful of missions as bit parts, they did not get new content...
Maybe the female of the species could be as described in your quote? That could still work I s'pose.
Excuse me!?!
Oh my!
And that didn't tip you off that the novels might be a bit shaky in terms of using canon material properly? The Tholians have always been portrayed as being xenophobic and unwilling to work with outsiders regardless of the circumstances. They would have been far more likely to outright go to war with them before treating other species as equals. Even in the one mission in STO where they're not attempting to dominate everything the ambassador states his people are going to push for what they want instead of what the rest of the galaxy wants. Tholians should never have been portrayed how they were in that novel.
All y'all already got the new T6 Elachi ships, so no beatching from your end of the pond.
Im done with you.. sure by the strictest definition it is... but that is not by any means worth mentioning. If you're happy with that, I feel pity for your simple mind
again, done with you.... especially as this is wandering farther off topic, and you're displaying a real lack of creativity or imagination in what could be done.
Look at the TV shows though, soooo many species from TNG were nothing but humans with bumps on their head (as someone already mentioned in the thread), that was something I really used to hate about TNG, and the change from that in Enterprise is one of the reasons I enjoyed that.
Edit mid post. Sorry just noticed you had mentioned it
I hope all their ships have feedback pulse!
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!