Really disliking the 'Voth 2.0' Tzenkethi. I thought we were going to get T6 Tal Shiar boxes, and T6 Elachi, not this strange reptilian stuff again. Grr.
We likely will get T6 Elachi ships.
When they added the T6 Jem'Hadar ships, they didn't release a Dominion 2 lock box either. So it's possible that they'll just add those Elachi ship anyway, we may not need a new box for that.
The console got T6 Elachi ships last month. I think the Tzenkethi look liked nakedish Cabal from Destiny.
That was nothing more than a in-setting reason to explain real life production limits and does nothing to limit non-human like races such as the Tholians and Medusans who just also happen to be canon.
Besides, we're in a MMO with the setting motto of "where no-man has gone before"- it's time to actually do just a bit of that now and then.
But that "in-setting reason" is what "canon" is. If it is stated, this is law for the universe we are watching. This is no reason to not include more non-humanoids these days mind you, but you cannot dismiss canon because you don't like it EDIT: I know the pain, I find most of what came after DS9 and even DS9s late season to be absolutely horrible in terms of canon and universe building, but I have to accept it
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
That was nothing more than a in-setting reason to explain real life production limits and does nothing to limit non-human like races such as the Tholians and Medusans who just also happen to be canon.
Besides, we're in a MMO with the setting motto of "where no-man has gone before"- it's time to actually do just a bit of that now and then.
But that "in-setting reason" is what "canon" is.
No, that just explains what we've seen- not what we haven't seen. It is the height of fanboy commitment to limited budgets to think that just because that was a general rule (no where near a 100% rule- I can recall more than a half dozen non-human aliens without serious thinking just from TOS) that it means everything we can encounter must be human like.
Really narrow minded there. Which I guess is a requirement for unthinking fanboy.
No, that just explains what we've seen- not what we haven't seen. It is the height of fanboy commitment to limited budgets to think that just because that was a general rule (no where near a 100% rule- I can recall more than a half dozen non-human aliens without serious thinking just from TOS) that it means everything we can encounter must be human like.
Really narrow minded there. Which I guess is a requirement for unthinking fanboy.
Really? You cut out the part of my posting that would have invalidated your insult? You're clever.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Really disliking the 'Voth 2.0' Tzenkethi. I thought we were going to get T6 Tal Shiar boxes, and T6 Elachi, not this strange reptilian stuff again. Grr.
We likely will get T6 Elachi ships.
When they added the T6 Jem'Hadar ships, they didn't release a Dominion 2 lock box either. So it's possible that they'll just add those Elachi ship anyway, we may not need a new box for that.
The console got T6 Elachi ships last month. I think the Tzenkethi look liked nakedish Cabal from Destiny.
Oh I thought they were coming soon to the consoles. Wasn't aware that they were already released, thought the other thread was just based on leaks or something.
Well in that case we're probably going to need an Elachi 2 lock box for their T6 ships to be added... but it's still possible that that will happen. We haven't seen the Tzenkethi yet so maybe their stuff won't end up in the next lockbox, but in the one thereafter.
Either way, I doubt they're going to keep the Elachi ships away from the PC version of the game. We know that they'll do just aout anything when it comes to lockboxes so I doubt they won't add already designed ships to one of them
They didn't flesh out the borg nor use them to their full potential
In what way?
Well, I imagine they will eventually make the Borg Collective a big creepy badguy faction again. "They have adapted". And then we get some 20 story missions and 3 new (or upgraded?) STF's.
I could see that honestly, since their biggest factors to them is not just their ability to adapt, but also that they assimilate as well. So it would only take them assimilating some higher level technology to become an issue again, which also might lead to them adapting to what the alliance has done to render them a minor threat at best. I mean we have wreckage of advanced races that rival at least the borg in power, and then as stated you have their ability to assimilate other races to regain lost drones.
Even if they did not make them a full on big bad, but merely gave them their adapting ability like on ground that would make fighting them more interesting. They would just need to make sure we had counters in the different careers to help deal with it, like methods of resetting/reducing/negating their adaption. I always thought the borg should use a form of stacking buff/debuff system, which applies to the shield type their target is using (like a stacking shield pen buff), as well as applying to the type of energy weapon used against them (like a shield/hull hardness/resistance buff tied to specific energy types.). Than if you had certain boff abilities that could reduce the debuff/buffs stack size or reduce the speed of the stacking, and also career specific captain abilities that could negate or remove the buffs/debuffs for a short time you would have an interesting enemy to fight.
Now whether the player-base could actually endure such a fact of finding the Borg content more interesting an challenging to play thru via the addition of such a change is hard to say. It has been shown that a vocal group of the player-base just hate to be challenged, or see themselves less powerful against a foe they had previously dealt with easily.
The Tzenkethi ships somewhat look like something from Eve Online mostly their Dreadnought that is.
The Rising of the Delta is the best expansion ever, and people love it to death because it is a good day to die in the endless struggle for supremacy of your own conviction. (A spin off of the Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and all the players love it.)
The "Preservers" nonsense (and blatant use of the Lego Genetics trope) is used to explain why so many of the races of the galaxy are humanoid. (Yes, I know the real reason is because we only have humanoid actors, and CGI wasn't even a thing until more than halfway through TNG's run, but we're talking about in-universe.)
However, at no point is it ever stated that humanoids are the only form of intelligent life. The Preservers didn't seed all the worlds, just a bunch of them. Hence the Horta, the Sheliak, the Medusans (who do have a physical form, despite the (conflicting) claims on Memory Alpha - you may recall the statement that it's so "ugly" it drives humans insane, and Miranda Jones was only able to interact with one because she was blind), the Excalibans, the bluegills, the Crystalline Entity (undeniably sapient), the giant space jellyfish from TNG's "Farpoint Station"...
They didn't flesh out the borg nor use them to their full potential
In what way?
Well, I imagine they will eventually make the Borg Collective a big creepy badguy faction again. "They have adapted". And then we get some 20 story missions and 3 new (or upgraded?) STF's.
I could see that honestly, since their biggest factors to them is not just their ability to adapt, but also that they assimilate as well. So it would only take them assimilating some higher level technology to become an issue again, which also might lead to them adapting to what the alliance has done to render them a minor threat at best. I mean we have wreckage of advanced races that rival at least the borg in power, and then as stated you have their ability to assimilate other races to regain lost drones.
I'd imagine the Borg would def want to slip into one of the dyson spheres and assimilate them some omega silos...
Well, I imagine they will eventually make the Borg Collective a big creepy badguy faction again. "They have adapted". And then we get some 20 story missions and 3 new (or upgraded?) STF's.
Adapted to what though? At this point the Alliance has so many different flavors of high tech stuff from all the reputations/conflict with races like the Voth/Undine/Iconians that the Borg could adapt 5 times over, and we would STILL have new weapons to use against them.
And the Borg lack any srt of real complex political system or means of attack. Their methods are terribly straightforward to a fault. 20 missions against the Borg wouldn't mean much, as half of them would just be the same thing
-Borg Cube shows up to assimilate world
-We fight it
-Maybe some ground combat
-The end
And how's that any different from all the other enemies in the game?
And how's that any different from all the other enemies in the game?
Other enemies have political stuff going on, and we spend a lot of time investigating and learning about that sort of stuff.
The Borg have none of that.
I think the most interesting part about political dealings regarding the Borg would be about forming an Anti-Borg Alliance to take them out once and for all. (Or, fi they recover their strength somehow, to thwart one of their major offenses). That could feasibly be interesting.
I think that would have made an awesome VOY season actually. The Voyager detecting a Borg ship coming into a region, and deciding to organize the people there to stop the Borg from assimilating them. Working to convince them of the threat, deal with inner political conflicts, maybe a major failure or a major sacrifice...
That would have been a nice "Year of Hell".
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However, at no point is it ever stated that humanoids are the only form of intelligent life.
I don't believe anyone is saying otherwise?
In fact, that's how this argument started - someone not believing in the Tzenkethi design because they're totally non-humanoid, and apparently they were under the impression that all sapient life in the Galaxy started with the Preserver seedings. That was in response to someone else saying it was nice to see an alien race that wasn't just a Human with a rubber forehead. (A sentiment with which I agree wholeheartedly - we're not constrained by mere Human actors, and I'd love to see a plethora of species that resemble us about as much as, say, a GLNO Cinrusskin or an Uplifted 'fin.)
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The console got T6 Elachi ships last month. I think the Tzenkethi look liked nakedish Cabal from Destiny.
their coming to take us away ho ho
But that "in-setting reason" is what "canon" is. If it is stated, this is law for the universe we are watching. This is no reason to not include more non-humanoids these days mind you, but you cannot dismiss canon because you don't like it
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No, that just explains what we've seen- not what we haven't seen. It is the height of fanboy commitment to limited budgets to think that just because that was a general rule (no where near a 100% rule- I can recall more than a half dozen non-human aliens without serious thinking just from TOS) that it means everything we can encounter must be human like.
Really narrow minded there. Which I guess is a requirement for unthinking fanboy.
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That's a superficial resemblance at best.
Really? You cut out the part of my posting that would have invalidated your insult? You're clever.
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Oh I thought they were coming soon to the consoles. Wasn't aware that they were already released, thought the other thread was just based on leaks or something.
Well in that case we're probably going to need an Elachi 2 lock box for their T6 ships to be added... but it's still possible that that will happen. We haven't seen the Tzenkethi yet so maybe their stuff won't end up in the next lockbox, but in the one thereafter.
Either way, I doubt they're going to keep the Elachi ships away from the PC version of the game. We know that they'll do just aout anything when it comes to lockboxes so I doubt they won't add already designed ships to one of them
I could see that honestly, since their biggest factors to them is not just their ability to adapt, but also that they assimilate as well. So it would only take them assimilating some higher level technology to become an issue again, which also might lead to them adapting to what the alliance has done to render them a minor threat at best. I mean we have wreckage of advanced races that rival at least the borg in power, and then as stated you have their ability to assimilate other races to regain lost drones.
Even if they did not make them a full on big bad, but merely gave them their adapting ability like on ground that would make fighting them more interesting. They would just need to make sure we had counters in the different careers to help deal with it, like methods of resetting/reducing/negating their adaption. I always thought the borg should use a form of stacking buff/debuff system, which applies to the shield type their target is using (like a stacking shield pen buff), as well as applying to the type of energy weapon used against them (like a shield/hull hardness/resistance buff tied to specific energy types.). Than if you had certain boff abilities that could reduce the debuff/buffs stack size or reduce the speed of the stacking, and also career specific captain abilities that could negate or remove the buffs/debuffs for a short time you would have an interesting enemy to fight.
Now whether the player-base could actually endure such a fact of finding the Borg content more interesting an challenging to play thru via the addition of such a change is hard to say. It has been shown that a vocal group of the player-base just hate to be challenged, or see themselves less powerful against a foe they had previously dealt with easily.
However, at no point is it ever stated that humanoids are the only form of intelligent life. The Preservers didn't seed all the worlds, just a bunch of them. Hence the Horta, the Sheliak, the Medusans (who do have a physical form, despite the (conflicting) claims on Memory Alpha - you may recall the statement that it's so "ugly" it drives humans insane, and Miranda Jones was only able to interact with one because she was blind), the Excalibans, the bluegills, the Crystalline Entity (undeniably sapient), the giant space jellyfish from TNG's "Farpoint Station"...
I'd imagine the Borg would def want to slip into one of the dyson spheres and assimilate them some omega silos...
The Borg don't need that.
I think that would have made an awesome VOY season actually. The Voyager detecting a Borg ship coming into a region, and deciding to organize the people there to stop the Borg from assimilating them. Working to convince them of the threat, deal with inner political conflicts, maybe a major failure or a major sacrifice...
That would have been a nice "Year of Hell".