I just wish Cryptic had taken this direction earlier, instead of going with the god-level Iconians and the time travel clusterfunk.
I don't see what was bad about either of those.
Time travel:
The way time travel works in the game is that the writing treats possible timelines like parallel dimensions. That's why we have Kelvin timeline ships, and why Daniels could somehow come back unscathed after dying. That would actually cause a complete circus since there's a near-infinite number of possible timelines, and the inhabitants of any of those could choose to meddle with time. It's also in reality impossible to police, since you can just travel back in time and stop the police from existing.
In the billions of years of universe existing, plenty of species will want to make their own tweaks to their timeline. Eventually you have a constantly shifting spaghetti of timelines where everything you achieve could be wiped out at any second, so nothing has any significance.
In short: It's a plothole creation machine that can be neat for a single adventure, but becomes progressively dumber the more you move around in time.
Iconians:
Iconians were a mysterious, supposedly larger-than-life beings that were hinted at for a long time. They were hyped so long that there was probably no possible way to do them in a way that would do them justice. IMO, the elementals ripped off from some JRPG and their fantasy mage minions we ended up with, left me personally fairly unsatisfied.
my only solid complaint about them is this... .wee voth 2.0 for 6 episodes or so, then forgotten forevermore like every other "antagonist" race for the last 6yrs
True. More content around the Voth would be nice too.
Star Trek has never exactly been a model of consistency in how they treat time travel. Sometimes the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum physics holds sway, and each change creates multiple timelines (TNG: "Parallels", the '09 movie), sometimes it affects the timeline you're on at the moment (TOS: "City On the Edge of Forever", TOS: "Tomorrow Is Yesterday"), sometimes you get a predestination paradox where your backtime trip is already an integral part of history (DS9: "Little Green Men", TOS: "Assignment: Earth!"). The Iconian mess seems to be one from column B, two from column C, appetizer and gratuity not included.
really? when was the last time voth saw new content? or the spoonheads? or the borg even?
Voth and Borg got content in Delta Rising, with deep space encounters in the Delta Quadrant("Territory Dispute" and "Assimilation Grounds"), appearances in queues("Borg Disconnected"), and missions(“Revelations”, "Borg Battlefield Patrol", “Jarleth System Patrol”)
The Borg also heavily featured in the Iconian War mission "Butterfly"
Cardassians have shown up at basically every single galactic conference in the game ever since the 2,800 arc(“Surface Tension”, “The Temporal Front”) and even sent ships to help defend earth in "Midnight"
no they appeared in a tiny handful of missions as bit parts, they did not get new content...
Tholians and Sheliak would never team like that with anyone
Tholians are the ones who founded the Typhon Pact in the novelverse.
I can see the Tholians teaming up with other non-humanoid races as a measure to counter the growing influence of the Alpha Quadrant Alliance.
And that didn't tip you off that the novels might be a bit shaky in terms of using canon material properly? The Tholians have always been portrayed as being xenophobic and unwilling to work with outsiders regardless of the circumstances. They would have been far more likely to outright go to war with them before treating other species as equals. Even in the one mission in STO where they're not attempting to dominate everything the ambassador states his people are going to push for what they want instead of what the rest of the galaxy wants. Tholians should never have been portrayed how they were in that novel.
no they appeared in a tiny handful of missions as bit parts, they did not get new content...
>Appearing in missions is not new content!
Since when? That is THE definition of new content.
Im done with you.. sure by the strictest definition it is... but that is not by any means worth mentioning. If you're happy with that, I feel pity for your simple mind
Im done with you.. sure by the strictest definition it is... but that is not by any means worth mentioning. If you're happy with that, I feel pity for your simple mind
I'm really not sure what you expect then, all the factions you listed were thoroughly defeated in the arcs they originally appeared in, and their small appearances afterward is representative of that fact.
Unless you are expecting something as nonsensical as another Voth invasion or something, then I am not sure what you expect.
again, done with you.... especially as this is wandering farther off topic, and you're displaying a real lack of creativity or imagination in what could be done.
I'm surprised no one has made the obvious joke about the title, so I'll say it:
"Eww! I hope they clean up after themselves at least".
Bulky, heavily armored, super strong reptiles are the same concept behind the Gorn and the Voth, adding the extra arms seems like a side trip through Pandora but arriving at much the same place. The work done on these guys is really nice, but the concept is not as original as I might have preferred. Then again, we have a billion humanoid species, so maybe it's not so weird that there are a few different lizard races. Still, I would have preferred something different.
Can you imagine if they looked more like werewolves? That would be interesting!
Look at the TV shows though, soooo many species from TNG were nothing but humans with bumps on their head (as someone already mentioned in the thread), that was something I really used to hate about TNG, and the change from that in Enterprise is one of the reasons I enjoyed that.
Edit mid post. Sorry just noticed you had mentioned it
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Time travel:
The way time travel works in the game is that the writing treats possible timelines like parallel dimensions. That's why we have Kelvin timeline ships, and why Daniels could somehow come back unscathed after dying. That would actually cause a complete circus since there's a near-infinite number of possible timelines, and the inhabitants of any of those could choose to meddle with time. It's also in reality impossible to police, since you can just travel back in time and stop the police from existing.
In the billions of years of universe existing, plenty of species will want to make their own tweaks to their timeline. Eventually you have a constantly shifting spaghetti of timelines where everything you achieve could be wiped out at any second, so nothing has any significance.
In short: It's a plothole creation machine that can be neat for a single adventure, but becomes progressively dumber the more you move around in time.
Iconians:
Iconians were a mysterious, supposedly larger-than-life beings that were hinted at for a long time. They were hyped so long that there was probably no possible way to do them in a way that would do them justice. IMO, the elementals ripped off from some JRPG and their fantasy mage minions we ended up with, left me personally fairly unsatisfied.
True. More content around the Voth would be nice too.
no they appeared in a tiny handful of missions as bit parts, they did not get new content...
Maybe the female of the species could be as described in your quote? That could still work I s'pose.
Excuse me!?!
Oh my!
And that didn't tip you off that the novels might be a bit shaky in terms of using canon material properly? The Tholians have always been portrayed as being xenophobic and unwilling to work with outsiders regardless of the circumstances. They would have been far more likely to outright go to war with them before treating other species as equals. Even in the one mission in STO where they're not attempting to dominate everything the ambassador states his people are going to push for what they want instead of what the rest of the galaxy wants. Tholians should never have been portrayed how they were in that novel.
All y'all already got the new T6 Elachi ships, so no beatching from your end of the pond.
Im done with you.. sure by the strictest definition it is... but that is not by any means worth mentioning. If you're happy with that, I feel pity for your simple mind
again, done with you.... especially as this is wandering farther off topic, and you're displaying a real lack of creativity or imagination in what could be done.
Look at the TV shows though, soooo many species from TNG were nothing but humans with bumps on their head (as someone already mentioned in the thread), that was something I really used to hate about TNG, and the change from that in Enterprise is one of the reasons I enjoyed that.
Edit mid post. Sorry just noticed you had mentioned it