They could also have the remnants of the bad guys band together a la Typhon Pact, resulting in fighting groups of combined enemies.
For example, there could be groups that have a Bulwark protecting itself from your attacks while a D'deridex traps you with a tractor beam and Baltims go to ruin your hull while you can't move.
I certianly like the idea of an alliance of races with differing ship designs. Whether that's established races or something new.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
I just love nitwits that feel an IP all about "strange new worlds" and "seeking out new life and new civilizations" feel that just because this is not a TV show its forever barred from doing anything but retracing every dangling plot hook from 50yrs of TV shows.... Its comical, in a 'you're a very sad and pathetic person' kinda way
And I love nitwits who deliberately misinterpret what the series is about to try to lie their way out of making a valid point.
TNG, DS9, and ENT were about nothing of the sort, and focused largely on established races in larger plotlines, with "strange new worlds" being used as filler. Indeed, the writers of TNG constantly fought against Gene's idiotic attempts to try to keep everything a vapid "alien of the week that we never see again!" because television, and what people wanted from it, had changed to wanting more developed stories rather then just "alien of thew week". And Gene's inability to grasp that is what caused several people, like Denise Crosby, to leave the show because they saw how he was squandering it.
Voyager on the other hand was a show about trying to get home. That they met a number of races on their trip was a secondary element to the actual premise, and even they spent the first like 2.5 years constantly running into the Kazon, and after crossing the Nekrit Expanse, kept having species like the Borg show up again and again.
And what you dismiss as "retracing every dangling plot hook from 50yrs of TV shows" is what is all other mediums would be considered depth of writing. Showing something in one episode, and then expanding upon it in a future episode, and then expanding on THAT in a future episode is what creates actual plots, and depth in the unvierse. Doing that is what brought the Klingons from "LE EVIL WARRIORS!" in ToS to the high developed race we see them as in TNG, DS9, and Voy.
What I find sad and pathetic is this segment of Trek fans who are so systemically afraid of seeing something more then once that they go to such lengths to try to justify why we should never see these hings again.
ya know... I used to have SOME respect for you... you lost it with that load of bull dung, but hey...
Im also fond of your last line there, especially as I've been one of the ones yelling for cryptic to stop making 'le next big bad' then drop them forevermore like they've been doing.... but yeah whatever floats yer boat nimrod
Cryptic has already created several completely original species, such as the Deferi, the Lukari and the Heralds, so trying to argue they can't do that is obviously futile.
The Deferi need an Update, they are from the dark days of cryptic aliens...next to the Borg Empire, and whatever those Fluidic space native aliens with that lived in Fluidic space waaaaaay back in the day.
The Deferi need an Update, they are from the dark days of cryptic aliens...next to the Borg Empire, and whatever those Fluidic space native aliens with that lived in Fluidic space waaaaaay back in the day.
Well there you have it. Our next big adversary: The Third Dynasty of the Borg Empire.
"The Terran Emperor himself is stated to possess bizarre god-like powers which have made him near unbeatable, and is why Mirror Leeta is trying to use the data she got from New Khitomer in the future to build allies to overthrow him."
Here's your new baddie latter on down the road. The mirror version of either Charlie-X or Garry Mitchell who may have extended their life with god like powers.
More likely it's an entity like an evil version of Prime Q.
as for the "TV/Films are the only legal source" ignorant agruments... we know who the cause of that derailment is. Drop it.
TV/Film influence STO. It does NOT dictate it. Star Trek Online has its OWN canon, which is not directly related to the current canon of the films. It's a seperate storyline, a different reality. It's not part of either the Prime timeline or Kelvin timeline - it's the STO timeline.
Holding something up and going "because, because, because" and waving a bible in the air before you burn a witch, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Particularly when it has to do with interpretation and misunderstanding what some things are and how others have proven to work.
I'm not messing with this mess other than to point out the uselessness of discussing possibility with a bible-thumper. The end results always prove fanatics to be wrong. It just takes time...
The Deferi need an Update, they are from the dark days of cryptic aliens...next to the Borg Empire, and whatever those Fluidic space native aliens with that lived in Fluidic space waaaaaay back in the day.
I'm rooting for this for a long time now, having started several suggestions how this could have worked out. In my opinion, still, everything the Kobali got would have been more fitting for the Deferi. I still hope at one point we get playable Deferi (since we can't recreate proper ones in the alien generator since it's limits some parts necessary for no good reason) at one point, maybe a ship and uniforms and hopefully a competent writer that fixes the nonsensical mess they are (nobody seems to know what it means if you try to portray or play a truly neutral alignment. It is very far away from being passive.)
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The Deferi need an Update, they are from the dark days of cryptic aliens...next to the Borg Empire, and whatever those Fluidic space native aliens with that lived in Fluidic space waaaaaay back in the day.
I'm rooting for this for a long time now, having started several suggestions how this could have worked out. In my opinion, still, everything the Kobali got would have been more fitting for the Deferi. I still hope at one point we get playable Deferi (since we can't recreate proper ones in the alien generator since it's limits some parts necessary for no good reason) at one point, maybe a ship and uniforms and hopefully a competent writer that fixes the nonsensical mess they are (nobody seems to know what it means if you try to portray or play a truly neutral alignment. It is very far away from being passive.)
Just have them all assimilated by the Borg and we get to wipe them out, all of them.
Why do we even need the Deferi anyway? I don't remeber them being canon...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
as for the "TV/Films are the only legal source" ignorant agruments... we know who the cause of that derailment is. Drop it.
TV/Film influence STO. It does NOT dictate it. Star Trek Online has its OWN canon, which is not directly related to the current canon of the films. It's a seperate storyline, a different reality. It's not part of either the Prime timeline or Kelvin timeline - it's the STO timeline.
Holding something up and going "because, because, because" and waving a bible in the air before you burn a witch, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Particularly when it has to do with interpretation and misunderstanding what some things are and how others have proven to work.
I'm not messing with this mess other than to point out the uselessness of discussing possibility with a bible-thumper. The end results always prove fanatics to be wrong. It just takes time...
Looks like you found the door into the thread! Great!
Now here is the door out if you aren't going to do anything but troll, lie, and derail the thread even more!
aww someone's panties are in a wad.... poor baby...
Twas not I that derailed the thread and I have participated in both the on and off topic sides of it, as have you. Now, here are some tissues, wipe away the sniffles and lets move on shall we?
It wouldn't? You mean the Klingons, Romulans, and Eminarians weren't made up virtually on the spot by the scriptwriters? The Squire of Gothos was foreshadowed? The Borg didn't just pop up one day on TNG?
Dude, Star Trek has always been about "jut making up 100% brand new alien species", and as often as not they were indeed just there to be fought. (At least, I don't remember a lot of calm debates with the Ekosians in "Patterns of Force", or the Koms in "Omega Glory", or the Magna Romans in "Bread and Circuses", or...)
And just because your view of how much of the galaxy remains to be explored in the 25th century is limited by what you saw on TNG and VOY doesn't mean that anyone trying to expand your horizons is "showing off" - just demonstrating the limitations of your vision.
False equivalence fallacy.
The game is not the TV show, and the TV show/movies, a primary source, is not bound to the same rules as a derived source like a game is.
If you have nothing honest to add, please stop derailing the thread by trying to show off how much you think you know.
So if the game is not bound by any rules they then can make up something completely original. Some people want something new and exciting. Insulting them and calling them things like "sad and pathetic" is simply childish.
Somta, you are exhibiting exactly why it's sadly ironic for you to accuse anyone else of "derailing" this thread.
This is, after all, a discussion forum. If you want to present your opinions as if they were established fact, and forbid anyone from disagreeing with you, by all means start your own blog. There are quite a few sites where you can run one for free. (May I recommend Wordpress? Their software even lets you selectively ban people from commenting!)
However, if you're going to start a discussion here, you're going to have to be prepared for people to disagree with you. And if the only defense of your position you can offer is "you're stupid", you might want to rethink the position in the first place.
Some people want something new and exciting. Insulting them and calling them things like "sad and pathetic" is simply childish.
Then WHY are you playing a DERIVATIVE product based off of an ESTABLISHED series instead of something original?
That's like playing Doom and whining that they never do anything new besides demons.... THAT'S WHAT DOOM IS ABOUT!
LOL Its Star Trek. Its seeking out new life and new civilizations for crying out loud. We met many new races in TOS, TNG, and Voyager. To ask the same here is not idiotic or uncalled for. Its not a demand from some people. Just something they hope to see. If you have major problems with that then too bad. Revisiting the old and seeking out the new can be fun! Also what rules is the game bound by? Please list them for us.
Now, as I said before, I would ask that you leave my thread since you seem either unwilling, or unable, to hold honest discussion.
how about no....
And as jonsills pointed out just because you disagree with my on topic comments, that doesn't make them off topic.
Next, you didn't really give the thread much of a direction in the first place, just a 'oh look' for those that dont check the news page. You didn't ask any questions, or pose any topic for conversation.
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ya know... I used to have SOME respect for you... you lost it with that load of bull dung, but hey...
Im also fond of your last line there, especially as I've been one of the ones yelling for cryptic to stop making 'le next big bad' then drop them forevermore like they've been doing.... but yeah whatever floats yer boat nimrod
Well there you have it. Our next big adversary: The Third Dynasty of the Borg Empire.
More likely it's an entity like an evil version of Prime Q.
TV/Film influence STO. It does NOT dictate it. Star Trek Online has its OWN canon, which is not directly related to the current canon of the films. It's a seperate storyline, a different reality. It's not part of either the Prime timeline or Kelvin timeline - it's the STO timeline.
Holding something up and going "because, because, because" and waving a bible in the air before you burn a witch, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Particularly when it has to do with interpretation and misunderstanding what some things are and how others have proven to work.
I'm not messing with this mess other than to point out the uselessness of discussing possibility with a bible-thumper. The end results always prove fanatics to be wrong. It just takes time...
I'm rooting for this for a long time now, having started several suggestions how this could have worked out. In my opinion, still, everything the Kobali got would have been more fitting for the Deferi. I still hope at one point we get playable Deferi (since we can't recreate proper ones in the alien generator since it's limits some parts necessary for no good reason) at one point, maybe a ship and uniforms and hopefully a competent writer that fixes the nonsensical mess they are (nobody seems to know what it means if you try to portray or play a truly neutral alignment. It is very far away from being passive.)
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Just have them all assimilated by the Borg and we get to wipe them out, all of them.
Why do we even need the Deferi anyway? I don't remeber them being canon...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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p.s. this thread was derailed long time ago
true, so very true
aww someone's panties are in a wad.... poor baby...
Twas not I that derailed the thread and I have participated in both the on and off topic sides of it, as have you. Now, here are some tissues, wipe away the sniffles and lets move on shall we?
So if the game is not bound by any rules they then can make up something completely original. Some people want something new and exciting. Insulting them and calling them things like "sad and pathetic" is simply childish.
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This is, after all, a discussion forum. If you want to present your opinions as if they were established fact, and forbid anyone from disagreeing with you, by all means start your own blog. There are quite a few sites where you can run one for free. (May I recommend Wordpress? Their software even lets you selectively ban people from commenting!)
However, if you're going to start a discussion here, you're going to have to be prepared for people to disagree with you. And if the only defense of your position you can offer is "you're stupid", you might want to rethink the position in the first place.
...so fun it'll probably get locked soon.
LOL Its Star Trek. Its seeking out new life and new civilizations for crying out loud. We met many new races in TOS, TNG, and Voyager. To ask the same here is not idiotic or uncalled for. Its not a demand from some people. Just something they hope to see. If you have major problems with that then too bad. Revisiting the old and seeking out the new can be fun! Also what rules is the game bound by? Please list them for us.
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And as jonsills pointed out just because you disagree with my on topic comments, that doesn't make them off topic.
Next, you didn't really give the thread much of a direction in the first place, just a 'oh look' for those that dont check the news page. You didn't ask any questions, or pose any topic for conversation.
I was just gonna let the OP handle it, he said he was gonna ask for a lock on it anyway.