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  • daveyny
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  • marcusdkane
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    daveyny wrote: »
    And here is the most recent Star Trek: Discovery news release from CBS themselves...
    (sorry, I missed this one back on the 29th)

    http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1006213/doug-jones-michelle-yeoh-and-anthony-rapp-cast-in-star-trek-discovery/


    Interesting to note that the "Official" release of the casting news includes no mention of "Lt. Fun-guy" as a G A Y character.
    (though the nickname I've conscripted does affirm the undertones of a "lighthearted & carefree" character)
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    Interesting indeed, and somewhat supportive of my view that Fuller was the one using it as PR Fodder...
  • marcusdkane
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    azrael605 wrote: »
    Frankly if they backpedal on inclusion of LGBT characters after having made such a point in announcing it the results will not favor them. That said I doubt very much they have changed their minds on it just as I doubt there is any standing to call it "PR Fodder".
    What would you call an announcement made, mentioning something which could be left to be revealed via simple viewing of the show?
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    azrael605 wrote: »
    I would call it the normal course of business and nothing out of the ordinary for the entire industry.

    aka PR... ;)
  • hawku001x
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    I'm going to sneak onto the set of this series and play a role. I'll be in it.
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    hawku001x wrote: »
    I'm going to sneak onto the set of this series and play a role. I'll be in it.
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  • daveyny
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    edited December 2016
    Thank you, Mr. Moderator for not closing this thread down.



    Nothing really new in this link, but a bit of a confirmation that the sets are being built and should be done shortly.
    Production is expected to start fully rolling after the Xmas season in 2017.

    http://www.itechpost.com/articles/62071/20161205/star-trek-new-tv-series-update-discovery-starts-filming-early-2017-and-might-aired-in-spring.htm

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  • starswordc
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    edited December 2016
    That was strange...

    ^Interesting that they picked Toronto, I wonder what the attraction is.
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  • jonsills
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    starswordc wrote: »
    That was strange...

    ^Interesting that they picked Toronto, I wonder what the attraction is.
    Probably subsidies from the Canadian Film Board. Similar to the reasons for Planet Vancouver on nBSG. (Also, there are places in the coastal mountain range that look nice and barely habitable, so it was a good choice for New Caprica.)​​
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  • starswordc
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    ^Vancouver ain't called "Stargate City" for nothing; I'm just wondering why they went to Ontario instead of B.C.
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  • daveyny
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    starswordc wrote: »
    That was strange...

    ^Interesting that they picked Toronto, I wonder what the attraction is.

    One Word...

    ECONOMICAL



    It's cheaper to film there than anywhere in California.
    And as stated above, the Canadians give rebates to film companies who go there.
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    starswordc wrote: »
    ^Vancouver ain't called "Stargate City" for nothing; I'm just wondering why they went to Ontario instead of B.C.

    I prefer "Cylon Occupied Vancouver" as term.
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  • daveyny
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    edited December 2016
    Another interview with Bryan Fuller from the last few days...

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-12-07/the-new-star-trek-tv-series-can-be-described-in-just-3-words

    Nothing really new here, but an interesting read none the less.

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    CBS Exec. Les Moonface confirms that the Netflix purchase of international broadcast rights, has totally funded the new Star Trek: Discovery series.
    Showing it on CBS All Access, will pretty much be making them free money.

    http://www.trektoday.com/content/2016/12/netflix-sale-funds-star-trek-discovery/
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  • daveyny
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    edited December 2016
    More speculation from the rumor mill...

    https://www.inverse.com/article/24889-bryan-fuller-star-trek-discovery

    This one is based on Fuller's recent "cryptic" comment, as to what the show theme might entail..., “Understand Each Other.”

    It does appear that the show is possibly going to center around the Feds vs the Klingons in a cold war period.

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  • bwleon7
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    starswordc wrote: »
    That was strange...

    ^Interesting that they picked Toronto, I wonder what the attraction is.

    "Even though Canada has spectacular settings, it's not the production values that film producers go there to find. The lure is, in a single word, money. In Southern California, the studios have highly efficient soundstages and an abundance of skilled technicians, but the unions' work rules make it extremely expensive to shoot exteriors. For example, a production can shoot for only 14 hours a day with normal overtime and then must pay double time. It also must employ redundant Teamster drivers to chauffeur actors to and from locations (even if they have their own drivers). These costs run even higher for independent producers—about 9 percent on average—who are not part of the National Term Agreement that the studios have with the unions. As a result, the indies need Canada—or another deeply discounted country.

    In Canada, producers still have unionized labor to contend with, but they get a huge discount—in the late 1990s, it was as high as 35 percent—by paying labor in Canadian dollars. On top of that, the Canadian Federal Government provides foreign producers with a subsidy called the Film Production Services Tax Credit, which now equals 16 percent of the Canadian labor costs. (It was recently raised from 11 percent to offset a rise in the Canadian loonie against the American greenback.) Also, British Columbia offers an additional 18 percent rebate on labor from that province. Finally, there is a 20 percent break on digital effects, if they are done in Canada. In order to qualify for this tax credit, either the director or the screenwriter and one of the two highest paid actors must be Canadian"

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_hollywood_economist/2006/02/northern_expenditure.html
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  • starswordc
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    ^No, that's not what I'm asking, I know why they chose Canada. I'm just wondering why Toronto specifically: I would've expected Vancouver since most sci-fi series seem to prefer it.
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  • wendysue53
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    edited December 2016
    If I remember correctly, not only Canada tries to bring in the Sci Fi companies, but places such as Toronto and Vancouver tend to have a kind of 'bidding war' in order to have them come to that location specifically. Discounts, exemptions, etc.

    The 'World's Larges Mall' (was to be the size of 7 professional football stadiums) did this with several US states, causing them to rebuild much of those areas they were looking to build at the time. They then decided to go elsewhere and that mall never got built anywhere. It's just the type of situation is similar as an example. Peeps tend to go out of their way to get companies to come to town. *shrug*

    Of course, it could just be that's where one of the special effects guys live. Or something similar. Don't know. Wasn't there. Forgot to ask.

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  • daveyny
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    edited December 2016
    More actors announced...

    http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-klingons-1201939934/

    There be Klingons here!

    Chris Obi, Shazad Latif, and Mary Chieffo have joined the upcoming CBS All Access series, with all three set to play Klingons.

    Obi will play T’Kuvma, a Klingon leader seeking to unite the Klingon houses.

    Latif will play Kol, commanding officer of the Klingons and protégé of T’Kuvma.

    Chieffo will play L’Rell, the battle deck commander of the Klingon ship.

    Still no announcement for the Female lead actor.
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  • mhall85
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    They look like they could play Klinks. :) I like it!

    Here's hoping these Klingons won't be "soft." I've not been impressed with the casting/writing of Klingons in later Treks. I still think you can portray the Klingons as strong and imposing, while still pushing towards that peace treaty (if Discovery is going to start the move towards the peace found in Undiscovered Country[?i]).
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    edited December 2016
    mhall85 wrote: »
    They look like they could play Klinks. :) I like it!

    Here's hoping these Klingons won't be "soft." I've not been impressed with the casting/writing of Klingons in later Treks. I still think you can portray the Klingons as strong and imposing, while still pushing towards that peace treaty (if Discovery is going to start the move towards the peace found in Undiscovered Country[?i]).

    If they actually go by what we've already seen depicted in TOS time period, these Klingons should be a lot more aggressive and less likely to be seeking peace in any way, shape or form with the Federation.

    Part of the description of T'Kuvma, is that the character will be trying to unite the Klingon Houses.

    Based on that, it's probably a given that the Klingons will probably be too busy fighting/negotiating with each other, than seeking a peace treaty with an outside government.

    I could also see the Romulans being covertly involved, trying to keep the Great Klingon Houses from coming together in any form of unity.

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    daveyny wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    They look like they could play Klinks. :) I like it!

    Here's hoping these Klingons won't be "soft." I've not been impressed with the casting/writing of Klingons in later Treks. I still think you can portray the Klingons as strong and imposing, while still pushing towards that peace treaty (if Discovery is going to start the move towards the peace found in Undiscovered Country[?i]).

    If they actually go by what we've already seen depicted in TOS time period, these Klingons should be a lot more aggressive and less likely to be seeking peace in any way, shape or form with the Federation.

    Part of the description of T'Kuvma, is that the character will be trying to unite the Klingon Houses.

    Based on that, it's probably a given that the Klingons will probably be too busy fighting/negotiating with each other, than seeking a peace treaty with an outside government.

    I could also see the Romulans being covertly involved, trying to keep the Great Klingon Houses from coming together in any form of unity.

    B)

    Right... I was referring to a rumor floating around, which basically asserts that Sarek's peace initiative with the Klingons will begin with the events of this new show. It is an attempt to explain, I believe, the comments from Nick Meyer way back that []TUC will be a "jumping-off point" for the new show. Plus, I think we know that Amanda Grayson will play a role in season one, yes?

    This unity of the houses thing is an interesting wrinkle, though. Obviously, the bid will be unsuccessful... but, why? I like the idea of Romulans poking about, even in 2255 when they're supposed to be in hiding. Maybe this unity effort spills into Sarek's peace initiative? Maybe we'll see a young Gorkon?
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  • jonsills
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    mhall85 wrote: »
    Plus, I think we know that Amanda Grayson will play a role in season one, yes?

    No, in fact we know no such thing. The details we do know are minimal, and grounds for a lot of supposition, but that's definitely something we don't know. Yet, anyway.​​
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  • daveyny
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    edited December 2016
    jonsills wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Plus, I think we know that Amanda Grayson will play a role in season one, yes?

    No, in fact we know no such thing. The details we do know are minimal, and grounds for a lot of supposition, but that's definitely something we don't know. Yet, anyway.​​

    Yeah, when Fuller was still heavily involved he "mentioned" that he liked the character of Spock's mom and listed her as a possibility to being considered for inclusion.

    There was no confirmation that the character would actually be written into the show and with his departure, it's probably even less likely now.
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  • daveyny
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    edited December 2016
    mhall85 wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    They look like they could play Klinks. :) I like it!

    Here's hoping these Klingons won't be "soft." I've not been impressed with the casting/writing of Klingons in later Treks. I still think you can portray the Klingons as strong and imposing, while still pushing towards that peace treaty (if Discovery is going to start the move towards the peace found in Undiscovered Country[?i]).

    If they actually go by what we've already seen depicted in TOS time period, these Klingons should be a lot more aggressive and less likely to be seeking peace in any way, shape or form with the Federation.

    Part of the description of T'Kuvma, is that the character will be trying to unite the Klingon Houses.

    Based on that, it's probably a given that the Klingons will probably be too busy fighting/negotiating with each other, than seeking a peace treaty with an outside government.

    I could also see the Romulans being covertly involved, trying to keep the Great Klingon Houses from coming together in any form of unity.

    B)

    Right... I was referring to a rumor floating around, which basically asserts that Sarek's peace initiative with the Klingons will begin with the events of this new show. It is an attempt to explain, I believe, the comments from Nick Meyer way back that []TUC will be a "jumping-off point" for the new show. Plus, I think we know that Amanda Grayson will play a role in season one, yes?

    This unity of the houses thing is an interesting wrinkle, though. Obviously, the bid will be unsuccessful... but, why? I like the idea of Romulans poking about, even in 2255 when they're supposed to be in hiding. Maybe this unity effort spills into Sarek's peace initiative? Maybe we'll see a young Gorkon?

    TUC won't take place for at least four plus decades after the events that will be depicted in "Discovery".

    Based on what we already know from Trek lore, I don't really think that Sarek is involved at the point of Discovery's missions.
    He didn't get involved till Praxis blew up.

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    And we have our Klingon cast!
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  • starswordc
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    edited December 2016
    mhall85 wrote: »
    daveyny wrote: »
    mhall85 wrote: »
    They look like they could play Klinks. :) I like it!

    Here's hoping these Klingons won't be "soft." I've not been impressed with the casting/writing of Klingons in later Treks. I still think you can portray the Klingons as strong and imposing, while still pushing towards that peace treaty (if Discovery is going to start the move towards the peace found in Undiscovered Country[?i]).

    If they actually go by what we've already seen depicted in TOS time period, these Klingons should be a lot more aggressive and less likely to be seeking peace in any way, shape or form with the Federation.

    Part of the description of T'Kuvma, is that the character will be trying to unite the Klingon Houses.

    Based on that, it's probably a given that the Klingons will probably be too busy fighting/negotiating with each other, than seeking a peace treaty with an outside government.

    I could also see the Romulans being covertly involved, trying to keep the Great Klingon Houses from coming together in any form of unity.

    B)

    Right... I was referring to a rumor floating around, which basically asserts that Sarek's peace initiative with the Klingons will begin with the events of this new show. It is an attempt to explain, I believe, the comments from Nick Meyer way back that []TUC will be a "jumping-off point" for the new show. Plus, I think we know that Amanda Grayson will play a role in season one, yes?

    This unity of the houses thing is an interesting wrinkle, though. Obviously, the bid will be unsuccessful... but, why? I like the idea of Romulans poking about, even in 2255 when they're supposed to be in hiding. Maybe this unity effort spills into Sarek's peace initiative? Maybe we'll see a young Gorkon?

    Don't forget guys, regardless of whatever Sarek was doing, by 2267 the Klingons and Federation were on the brink of a full-scale shooting war. It was only the Organian-imposed truce that stopped it.

    Probably we're going to end up seeing a series of alternating peace efforts and border fights escalating towards the confrontation in "Errand of Mercy". I expect somewhere between TNG and DS9 in intensity.
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