I was replying to an on topic comment with a story of a similar situation to that presented as a hypothetical in the on topic comment, in order to present a different view on such a situation. Thus I was on topic.
Presuming they like money, it'd be nice if they just kept selling the boxes as long as people keep buying them. Why cut of the gravy train when it's still flowing?
As far as "target number of ships" goes, has anyone seen many if any of them in game? I keep looking for them but I never see them. Are people hoarding them instead of flying them?
I've been looking for them myself. Just about the rarest things out there although I've ran across a few here and there. Since the promo opened I've seen about ten give or take. I still get comments when people see mine.
I think they're being hoarded with most in the hands of rich grey market traders. I also think that Cryptic will re-ran the event until they reach a desired goal, whatever that is. And they may or may have reached that goal.
Presuming they like money, it'd be nice if they just kept selling the boxes as long as people keep buying them. Why cut of the gravy train when it's still flowing?
As far as "target number of ships" goes, has anyone seen many if any of them in game? I keep looking for them but I never see them. Are people hoarding them instead of flying them?
I've been looking for them myself. Just about the rarest things out there although I've ran across a few here and there. Since the promo opened I've seen about ten give or take. I still get comments when people see mine.
I think they're being hoarded with most in the hands of rich grey market traders. I also think that Cryptic will re-ran the event until they reach a desired goal, whatever that is. And they may or may have reached that goal.
I was lucky to get one myself. I seen maybe three, four at most, total,so far, including a D7 and a Tliss.
Probably the comic book guy wannabes hording their stashes, trying to fleece more EC AND keys as possible.
I don't think they'll be repeating this promo as I'm sure CBS told him exactly how many they're allowed to sell.
As for controlling what people do with things they buy off the exchange, that would be extra Dev work for no reason other than control for the sake of it.
On topic Imo as it was relevant to the discussion.
Presuming they like money, it'd be nice if they just kept selling the boxes as long as people keep buying them. Why cut of the gravy train when it's still flowing?
As far as "target number of ships" goes, has anyone seen many if any of them in game? I keep looking for them but I never see them. Are people hoarding them instead of flying them?
I've been looking for them myself. Just about the rarest things out there although I've ran across a few here and there. Since the promo opened I've seen about ten give or take. I still get comments when people see mine.
I think they're being hoarded with most in the hands of rich grey market traders. I also think that Cryptic will re-ran the event until they reach a desired goal, whatever that is. And they may or may have reached that goal.
I was lucky to get one myself. I seen maybe three, four at most, total,so far, including a D7 and a Tliss.
Probably the comic book guy wannabes hording their stashes, trying to fleece more EC AND keys as possible.
I was counting the D7s (seen 2) and T'liss (seen 1) as well. But I wasn't counting mine or my sons (both promo box lottery wins).
Given how many I've seen offered for sale and how few I've seen in game (easily the biggest ratio I've ever encountered), I think the comic book guys wannabes may have shot themselves in the foot. They've flipped them between themselves at such insane prices that their investment now exceeds what most people can or will actually pay to use the ship.
Given the investment needed to grab the lion share of them, they can't offer to sell what they have for what actual users of the ship would pay- so their only choice is to hold on to them hoping for better days down the road. Or to flip them to other flippers which in turn drives up the investment and makes the problem even worse. Thus it's likely that a huge percentage of these ships are just sitting in the bank.
Cryptic meanwhile got what it wanted. Lots of money, and very few actual 23rd century ships in play. They are the true winners in this.
Only thing to do now is see if the promotion is repeated (I'd give it 60/40 in favor of no), or if another promotion comes along that catches the market forcing the hoarders to sell their old stash (perhaps at a loss) to fund the new game in town.
Presuming they like money, it'd be nice if they just kept selling the boxes as long as people keep buying them. Why cut of the gravy train when it's still flowing?
As far as "target number of ships" goes, has anyone seen many if any of them in game? I keep looking for them but I never see them. Are people hoarding them instead of flying them?
I've been looking for them myself. Just about the rarest things out there although I've ran across a few here and there. Since the promo opened I've seen about ten give or take. I still get comments when people see mine.
I think they're being hoarded with most in the hands of rich grey market traders. I also think that Cryptic will re-ran the event until they reach a desired goal, whatever that is. And they may or may have reached that goal.
I was lucky to get one myself. I seen maybe three, four at most, total,so far, including a D7 and a Tliss.
Probably the comic book guy wannabes hording their stashes, trying to fleece more EC AND keys as possible.
I was counting the D7s (seen 2) and T'liss (seen 1) as well. But I wasn't counting mine or my sons (both promo box lottery wins).
Given how many I've seen offered for sale and how few I've seen in game (easily the biggest ratio I've ever encountered), I think the comic book guys wannabes may have shot themselves in the foot. They've flipped them between themselves at such insane prices that their investment now exceeds what most people can or will actually pay to use the ship.
Given the investment needed to grab the lion share of them, they can't offer to sell what they have for what actual users of the ship would pay- so their only choice is to hold on to them hoping for better days down the road. Or to flip them to other flippers which in turn drives up the investment and makes the problem even worse. Thus it's likely that a huge percentage of these ships are just sitting in the bank.
Cryptic meanwhile got what it wanted. Lots of money, and very few actual 23rd century ships in play. They are the true winners in this.
Only thing to do now is see if the promotion is repeated (I'd give it 60/40 in favor of no), or if another promotion comes along that catches the market forcing the hoarders to sell their old stash (perhaps at a loss) to fund the new game in town.
yep, with Beyond's ships and Discovery on the way, and who knows what original stuff might be coming out, the Comic Book Guy wannabes are going to either sell them for a.....and try to brace yourselves, Comic Book Guy wannabes, sell for a lower price...something that's more reasonable for us regular folk, or be prepared to have your TOS packs collecting dust in the banks like the old suit styled kits I see laying about often in fleet banks.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
So are people saying that the current rate of $23 million a pack is too high? Even at their selling peak, they averaged $15 million. So it is up about 50%. I have seen previous ones go much higher. Sure there is a premium to buy bow as the supply is limited. If the average selling price of 1.2 to 1.3 billion that does not leave much of a profit margin. Someone calculated ruff odds of 1 in 100 packs. Or $2.3 billion the pack way. Plus is you opened 100 packs you would have 1000 Lobi. So yeah it is a bit high, but it is a gamble. There will be people who open 3 packs and get the ship, and people who open 100 and get nothing. Cryptic set the gamble system for this iconic ship, not the players or resellers of packs and ships.
Keys are pretty variable. They're down a bit due to the key rings. OTOH the inifinty box made them VASTLY more useful, so for a while they were up over 7 million. But assuming 5.5 million per key (what it's been most days I think about selling some) and 1.2 billion for the box, you're looking at about 218 keys. Wait for a key sale and then wait for the price to climb back up before off loading your keys intelligently and you could easily pick that up with a $200 bulk zeni purchase with ~75k-80k zeni left over.
It's a good way to get ec. Just buy keys and trade them. I guess a lot of people are upset that they need to pay so much for the franchises most classic ship. But cryptic had been saying no way no how never never never will there be an end game Tos Connie, so you figure when they did change their tune, it was going to be costly. You want it you have to pay. It was always around 1 billion so it really has not inflated much.
Yes the cost works out to be around $200 us dollars per ship when a key sale/Zen sale is on. More if it goes up in price and there are no sales. Probably $250 dollars us will be the top end cost. Obviously this is a lot more then an account wide unlocked cstore ships at $30 dollars us.
I don't think of keys as anything other than 900z-for-10 because I won't buy them at any other time. So I'd place the ~218 keys at a smidgeon less than 200k (198k). When you need that much you might as well buy it as a $200 block to collect the extra 30-60K depending on the zeni deals. You could also possibly net considerably better than 5.5m on the keys, but I haven't been selling those lately so my data is stale.
And I'm gonna take this moment to reiterate my tin foil hat conspiracy theory that CBS has NOTHING to do with why it took so long for the endgame Connie to arrive. Nothing's changed at CBS. They like money. The thing that has changed is Paramount's exclusivity agreements with Bad Robot to protect the idea space around their re-envisioning of the Connie... The ONLY ship of its era that's never had an update, and the ship we were told should never have been in the game at all. Paramount's now buddy-buddy with STO (at least enough to get us KT product in game) and the leash is off the endgame Connie. So it's being sold in the model that makes the absolute most revenue for the company, including the ability to re-release it at any time for another 4-14 day feeding frenzy. New players will be rightly told "you may not be able to get it now, but it'll be on sale again someday, so watch closely..." CBS doesn't care about them "being rare", they care about getting the maximum rake from the material and promo! boxes were absolutely the right decision in that context. There just aren't 6-7 times as many $30 buyers as there are those willing to cough up $200. They had a whole AOY fleet of c23 ships and all kinds of price point packages to ping the sonar on the player base. Not an accident, not coincidental. That was a market survey with the data collected in real dollars not BS write ins.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I think it's reasonable to expect that the price will essentially stay constant-ish. Being the most iconic ships in the franchise, it's pretty much a Vorgon conclusion (har har) that they'll re-run this promo, as they've done so with the bug ship repeatedly.
It's funny that there's always a pair of dog-whistle threads like this up: one thread for people who doomsay that the Connie is worthless because they want one cheap, and the other for a bunch of "Comic Book Guy" Voodoo economists declaring it's already the next Bulwark, and it's worth 2-3 billion.
I think there's at least a grain of truth to the cheapskate sorts of threads: everyone who wants this ship and could realistically afford to pay the give-or-take 1 billion for it already has it, like myself and some others you see commenting. Anyone asking more for it "just coz" is going to sit on it til they get hemorrhoids, or it is inevitably re-released and the value crashes, whichever comes first.
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."
You have to wonder how many players want/wanted the T6 Connie simply for the sake of having it. I witnessed at least on conversation on local where a player was making a big fuss about wanting it, but later stated that it probably wouldn't be his mainstay ship and wouldn't replace his Yamato class.
I, for one, made almost no effort to obtain it; I know full well it would be wasted on me. I have my favotite ship and as good as the T6 Connie may be, I wouldn't put it to good use.
I was lucky enough to have the connie, and it's my now main used ship. Some of us do use them fully.
You have to wonder how many players want/wanted the T6 Connie simply for the sake of having it. I witnessed at least on conversation on local where a player was making a big fuss about wanting it, but later stated that it probably wouldn't be his mainstay ship and wouldn't replace his Yamato class.
I, for one, made almost no effort to obtain it; I know full well it would be wasted on me. I have my favotite ship and as good as the T6 Connie may be, I wouldn't put it to good use.
I was lucky enough to have the connie, and it's my now main used ship. Some of us do use them fully.
Oh I know - have seen plenty around, and have little doubt that it will be the mainstay ship for many.
I'm simply saying that there are some players who simply want such thngs because, for various reasons, they can't tolerate the idea of not owning such a rare ship.
More of like what George talk about in this video, when someone sees someone with a new, big truck, and then THEY suddenly want a new, big truck, if not bigger,etc. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ls8RXqyZDsk
mystro......drum roll pleeze<insert drum roll here> the next new thang.......the infinity promo box !!!!!!! why release the t6 temporal cruiser by itself when they can make it more of a biotch to get while raking in more $$$$$.....YOU HEAR THAT CRYPTIC MAKE AN INFINITY PROMO BOX,MAKE MOOORE $$$$$.......</rant>
And cut the throat of every promo! event they hold from now on?
mystro......drum roll pleeze<insert drum roll here> the next new thang.......the infinity promo box !!!!!!! why release the t6 temporal cruiser by itself when they can make it more of a biotch to get while raking in more $$$$$.....YOU HEAR THAT CRYPTIC MAKE AN INFINITY PROMO BOX,MAKE MOOORE $$$$$.......</rant>
And cut the throat of every promo! event they hold from now on?
Yeah, not happening. Ever.
Not saying I disagree with you at all, but this is Cryptic we're talking about. I'd be wary of claiming that anything won't happen "ever", especially in a thread regarding a T6 TOS Connie.
Not saying I disagree with you at all, but this is Cryptic we're talking about. I'd be wary of claiming that anything won't happen "ever", especially in a thread regarding a T6 TOS Connie.
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Nope.
I've been looking for them myself. Just about the rarest things out there although I've ran across a few here and there. Since the promo opened I've seen about ten give or take. I still get comments when people see mine.
I think they're being hoarded with most in the hands of rich grey market traders. I also think that Cryptic will re-ran the event until they reach a desired goal, whatever that is. And they may or may have reached that goal.
I was lucky to get one myself. I seen maybe three, four at most, total,so far, including a D7 and a Tliss.
Probably the comic book guy wannabes hording their stashes, trying to fleece more EC AND keys as possible.
I don't think they'll be repeating this promo as I'm sure CBS told him exactly how many they're allowed to sell.
As for controlling what people do with things they buy off the exchange, that would be extra Dev work for no reason other than control for the sake of it.
On topic Imo as it was relevant to the discussion.
I was counting the D7s (seen 2) and T'liss (seen 1) as well. But I wasn't counting mine or my sons (both promo box lottery wins).
Given how many I've seen offered for sale and how few I've seen in game (easily the biggest ratio I've ever encountered), I think the comic book guys wannabes may have shot themselves in the foot. They've flipped them between themselves at such insane prices that their investment now exceeds what most people can or will actually pay to use the ship.
Given the investment needed to grab the lion share of them, they can't offer to sell what they have for what actual users of the ship would pay- so their only choice is to hold on to them hoping for better days down the road. Or to flip them to other flippers which in turn drives up the investment and makes the problem even worse. Thus it's likely that a huge percentage of these ships are just sitting in the bank.
Cryptic meanwhile got what it wanted. Lots of money, and very few actual 23rd century ships in play. They are the true winners in this.
Only thing to do now is see if the promotion is repeated (I'd give it 60/40 in favor of no), or if another promotion comes along that catches the market forcing the hoarders to sell their old stash (perhaps at a loss) to fund the new game in town.
yep, with Beyond's ships and Discovery on the way, and who knows what original stuff might be coming out, the Comic Book Guy wannabes are going to either sell them for a.....and try to brace yourselves, Comic Book Guy wannabes, sell for a lower price...something that's more reasonable for us regular folk, or be prepared to have your TOS packs collecting dust in the banks like the old suit styled kits I see laying about often in fleet banks.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Are they? Haven't noticed and I for one think the packs are selling for whatever they're selling for.
Now the price for actual ships is too high for reasons already explained.
And I'm gonna take this moment to reiterate my tin foil hat conspiracy theory that CBS has NOTHING to do with why it took so long for the endgame Connie to arrive. Nothing's changed at CBS. They like money. The thing that has changed is Paramount's exclusivity agreements with Bad Robot to protect the idea space around their re-envisioning of the Connie... The ONLY ship of its era that's never had an update, and the ship we were told should never have been in the game at all. Paramount's now buddy-buddy with STO (at least enough to get us KT product in game) and the leash is off the endgame Connie. So it's being sold in the model that makes the absolute most revenue for the company, including the ability to re-release it at any time for another 4-14 day feeding frenzy. New players will be rightly told "you may not be able to get it now, but it'll be on sale again someday, so watch closely..." CBS doesn't care about them "being rare", they care about getting the maximum rake from the material and promo! boxes were absolutely the right decision in that context. There just aren't 6-7 times as many $30 buyers as there are those willing to cough up $200. They had a whole AOY fleet of c23 ships and all kinds of price point packages to ping the sonar on the player base. Not an accident, not coincidental. That was a market survey with the data collected in real dollars not BS write ins.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
It's funny that there's always a pair of dog-whistle threads like this up: one thread for people who doomsay that the Connie is worthless because they want one cheap, and the other for a bunch of "Comic Book Guy" Voodoo economists declaring it's already the next Bulwark, and it's worth 2-3 billion.
I think there's at least a grain of truth to the cheapskate sorts of threads: everyone who wants this ship and could realistically afford to pay the give-or-take 1 billion for it already has it, like myself and some others you see commenting. Anyone asking more for it "just coz" is going to sit on it til they get hemorrhoids, or it is inevitably re-released and the value crashes, whichever comes first.
I was lucky enough to have the connie, and it's my now main used ship. Some of us do use them fully.
More of like what George talk about in this video, when someone sees someone with a new, big truck, and then THEY suddenly want a new, big truck, if not bigger,etc.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ls8RXqyZDsk
And cut the throat of every promo! event they hold from now on?
Yeah, not happening. Ever.
Not saying I disagree with you at all, but this is Cryptic we're talking about. I'd be wary of claiming that anything won't happen "ever", especially in a thread regarding a T6 TOS Connie.
Oh, I'll take that bet.