The whole deal with the Cardasians is the same deal with any group of people, there are good people and bad peope, if the bad people take power for long enough, and are able to institute thier will, the people as a whole do bad things. There are endearing qualities of all of the species in Star Trek, except for the Talaxians, they are forever stained by the existence of Nelix .
If we see a Cardassian Faction itll be with an expansion into the Gamma Quadrant. Itll most likely be in the same vein as the Romulan Republic (who has had less time to develop as a Quadrant Power than the Cardassians have had to bounce back from the Dominion War). Id imagine the True Way would play a huge part in it, maybe being supplied and directed by the Founders, to help further destabilize the Alpha Quadrant in hopes of launching a second invasion. And since the Dominion would feel that Cardassia was a major reason for its loss of the war. It would be a high value target following Bajor, DS9 and the wormhole. The Alliance would need to scramble to assist Cardassia in securing the Alpha Quadrant and the Cardassian Captains would have to choose between allying with the Klingons or the Feds.
If we see a Cardassian Faction itll be with an expansion into the Gamma Quadrant. Itll most likely be in the same vein as the Romulan Republic (who has had less time to develop as a Quadrant Power than the Cardassians have had to bounce back from the Dominion War). Id imagine the True Way would play a huge part in it, maybe being supplied and directed by the Founders, to help further destabilize the Alpha Quadrant in hopes of launching a second invasion. And since the Dominion would feel that Cardassia was a major reason for its loss of the war. It would be a high value target following Bajor, DS9 and the wormhole. The Alliance would need to scramble to assist Cardassia in securing the Alpha Quadrant and the Cardassian Captains would have to choose between allying with the Klingons or the Feds.
I'm hoping for a kinder gentler Dominion that isn't trying to conquer the Alpha Quadrant. That way we get to play as servant of the glorious Founders and show the puny Spoonheads what a real empire looks like.
If we saw a Dominion/gamma quad expansion, than I would think it might start with the Dominion in some capacity, maybe also with T'ket coming into the play seeking revenge, while than leading into a mini-expansion/arc dealing with the return of the Hur'q an closure to the Fek'Ihri ties.
If we saw a Dominion/gamma quad expansion, than I would think it might start with the Dominion in some capacity, maybe also with T'ket coming into the play seeking revenge, while than leading into a mini-expansion/arc dealing with the return of the Hur'q an closure to the Fek'Ihri ties.
TBH, I think the Hur'q would be tied with T'ket. The Fek'ihri's return and tactics are too similar to the Iconians and their servitors to not be connected.
We also know the Iconians had agents in the Gamma quadrant keeping the gateways hidden from The Dominion.
I suspect the Hur'q would be these agents, and the Fek'ihri would be creations of the Hur'q. similar to how the Solanae created the bluegill
Well from the story arc of the klingons dealing with the Fek'ihri we know they are creations of the Hur'q, and yeah I could quite easily see them being agents of the Iconians. I could even see them being something like one of the early attempts of the Iconians to create Servitor races, but maybe something happened that made the Iconians turn their back on them. Also to keep in mind the Hur'q are supposedly where the Klingon got their warp drive technology from, and so I would wonder how they did overthrow them if the Hur'q backed by the Iconians during that time.
As such I could see that we start with the dominion maybe finding their outlying worlds being raided by the Hur'q/Fek'ihri forces, and they seek aid in repayment for their help with the Iconians they rendered. Then as we go thru the missions we start to find it is the Fek'ihri an the Hur'q, but than later we also find T'ket has sought to aid them once more after the iconians might have kicked them out of the galaxy (hence how the Klingons defeated them). I would hope though that the Iconians do not merely have just a single race of servitors in the Gamma quad, but maybe two or three servitor races instead that are working for them in the Gamma quad.
Every race had phasers as their beam weapons IIRC. Each race also had a special weapon and missiles which were just horribly overpowered. Feds had Photon torpedoes while the Klingons for some reason had no torpedoes but disruptors to complement their phasers. Romulans had the all or nothing Plasma torp. SFC was really fun since there was nothing like it at the time but STO is a HUGE improvement and I've never played SFC 1, 2, or 3 since I started playing STO.
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If we saw a Dominion/gamma quad expansion, than I would think it might start with the Dominion in some capacity, maybe also with T'ket coming into the play seeking revenge, while than leading into a mini-expansion/arc dealing with the return of the Hur'q an closure to the Fek'Ihri ties.
TBH, I think the Hur'q would be tied with T'ket. The Fek'ihri's return and tactics are too similar to the Iconians and their servitors to not be connected.
We also know the Iconians had agents in the Gamma quadrant keeping the gateways hidden from The Dominion.
I suspect the Hur'q would be these agents, and the Fek'ihri would be creations of the Hur'q. similar to how the Solanae created the bluegill
Well from the story arc of the klingons dealing with the Fek'ihri we know they are creations of the Hur'q, and yeah I could quite easily see them being agents of the Iconians. I could even see them being something like one of the early attempts of the Iconians to create Servitor races, but maybe something happened that made the Iconians turn their back on them. Also to keep in mind the Hur'q are supposedly where the Klingon got their warp drive technology from, and so I would wonder how they did overthrow them if the Hur'q backed by the Iconians during that time.
As such I could see that we start with the dominion maybe finding their outlying worlds being raided by the Hur'q/Fek'ihri forces, and they seek aid in repayment for their help with the Iconians they rendered. Then as we go thru the missions we start to find it is the Fek'ihri an the Hur'q, but than later we also find T'ket has sought to aid them once more after the iconians might have kicked them out of the galaxy (hence how the Klingons defeated them). I would hope though that the Iconians do not merely have just a single race of servitors in the Gamma quad, but maybe two or three servitor races instead that are working for them in the Gamma quad.
Also Kahless apparently collected a few Iconian relics that he added to his shrine.
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How did Cryptic get the idea of Romulans keeping their legacy and breaking from an empire that just had a massive explosion? Or what about AoY? Who expected STO to go back to TOS before it was announced?
I think that Cryptic can make a Cardassian class like they did with ROM. They can incorporate a whole intro storyline about the ex-Dominion War Dominion in the alpha quadrant, then transition to the normal storyline like in ROM and KDF. As for developing the Cardassians accurately and well, I think it doable, especially if they did it with ROM (hint: that doesn't seem too canon even though it is goodish).
Your description of a Cardassian is inaccurate. They're commonly known as the Cardassian Union and enslaved the Bajorans so they can work. I don't see selflessness in that (if you were sarcastic i didnt get it)
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How did Cryptic get the idea of Romulans keeping their legacy and breaking from an empire that just had a massive explosion? Or what about AoY? Who expected STO to go back to TOS before it was announced?
I think that Cryptic can make a Cardassian class like they did with ROM. They can incorporate a whole intro storyline about the ex-Dominion War Dominion in the alpha quadrant, then transition to the normal storyline like in ROM and KDF. As for developing the Cardassians accurately and well, I think it doable, especially if they did it with ROM (hint: that doesn't seem too canon even though it is goodish).
Your description of a Cardassian is inaccurate. They're commonly known as the Cardassian Union and enslaved the Bajorans so they can work. I don't see selflessness in that (if you were sarcastic i didnt get it)
They were trying to civilize the Bajorans I think, but it didnt work because the Bajorans were too violent, superstitious, and Xenophobic.
A lot of Cardassians gave their lives to try to lift up Bajor.
There are numerous instances of a "superior" civilization trying to lift up an "inferior" civilization in our history. Defining one civilization as superior and another as inferior is trying to force one's beliefs on another civilization. A notable example is Europeans initially coming to the Americas.
As far as Bajorans go, humans would be violent against a civilization that was forcing their beliefs on us. Unlike most religions, Bajorans have actual scientific evidence of the prophets. The orbs before the Federation took over DS9 and the Sisko's experience with the Prophets during DS9. It is not xenophobic trying to defend your planet from invaders that is killing your friends and family and destroying your home through mining. Bajorans weren't forced to become part of Resistance due to being violent, superstitious, and xenophobic, but due to the Cardassian Military killing Bajorans and destroying the environment.
I suggest you read The Occupation of Bajor since Cardassians didn't try to civilize Bajorans, but were mainly stripping Bajor of its resources. Deep Space 9 was originally a refinery station using slave labor to process uridium ore from Bajor. How is a civilization that uses slave labor trying to civilize Bajorans? Bajorans were far more civilized than Cardassians before Cardassians conquered their planet.
Here's a better reason. They are so small and now insignificant since the defeat of the Dominion it's worthless to do a story about them. It would almost be a carbon copy repeat of the Romulans.
Hell at this point, I'm simply shocked that Cardassia simply hasn't bought the bullet and joined the Federation since they are so heavily dependent on them now since the Battle of Cardassia.
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Here's a better reason. They are so small and now insignificant since the defeat of the Dominion it's worthless to do a story about them. It would almost be a carbon copy repeat of the Romulans.
Hell at this point, I'm simply shocked that Cardassia simply hasn't bought the bullet and joined the Federation since they are so heavily dependent on them now since the Battle of Cardassia.
I would have to disagree with your statement what made the Romulans what they are is a lack of actual development hell the Klingons get more attention then the Romulan players. Didn't help that to move on in the story is to pick either the Federation and have there storyline or the Klingons and have the exact same storyline. If they had the Romulans have either the Federation support the young Romulan Republic and they used there own ships and the Klingons support the Romulan Empire, then there would have been more success. As for the Cardassians there is lot of story that could be done what happened to Garrek, the Detepa Council after the war the True Way, you could even do it as a civil war between the two governments and your choices could affect the outcome. There is a lot they can do just fans like you cant see past your Federation knees to see that fact.
No, you're simply a fanboy who can't see the fact that the current cardassians are a long since gelded shadow of their former selves. What happened to Garak and the coucil, probably has long since happened since the end of the War. Remember War ended 2375. It's 2410 almost 30 years after the fact. Garak was not a young man when that war went down, infact he's more than likely passed away as he was not a young man by the time of the war. If he is still alive, he's at best a geriatric.
So any story arc with that coucil and Garak has LONG since passed in the 30 years since the events of DS9. There is no story besides "hey we still have the true way acting like pirates, but we have our friends the KDF and Federation to deal with that, so we'll just sit there with our small defense fleet acting like past day Japan after WW2".
The Cardassians are gelded and just about worthless. They have no major standing military and if they did, they'd be breaking the treaty and both the Klingons and Federation would swoop in to crush them like bugs.
Face it, they would be a failed venture at best.
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It's worth note that a playable faction never needs to be a super-power or very large in it's domain, as it's the role of the player him/herself to become a galaxy reaping force of nature! It's even possible for a small faction to in it's own canon be making ships almost solely for the player itself. I'd call it a nice message actually that someone coming from a perceived underdog can become a hero on par with any threat out there due to wits, bravery and recognition earning them the needed resources!
This is of course a separate matter from the technical work that is involved in creating and maintaining a faction by devs, this is more concerning the background of a faction. So yes, Cardassians CAN work, but the only question is does it make sense from an economic and development resources perspective and how many would take interest in playing it.
What is the basis of the Cardassian character and its society in Star Trek? It is selflessness.
Factions don't need hats every time.
One might say the same thing of asses.
So, ok - Are these guys snakes, or not? Anyone?
That or lizards, not confirmed that I know of.
From what I have read they took a lot of inspiration from serpent/snakes for the look of the cardassians by the memory-alpha wiki of them. An honestly I can see a lot of features of a cobra and other snakes in them, most of all the neck frills an the forehead areas giving the look of the cobra's hood.
I think the underlying difference between the Romulans and the Cardassians, as far as any development into anything resembling a playable faction, is that the Romulans were on the winning side of the Dominion War. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it safe to assume that Cardassia signed some sort of demilitarization treaty (I don't think it's canon anywhere that they had, but it's logical that they would have)?
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Well from the story arc of the klingons dealing with the Fek'ihri we know they are creations of the Hur'q, and yeah I could quite easily see them being agents of the Iconians. I could even see them being something like one of the early attempts of the Iconians to create Servitor races, but maybe something happened that made the Iconians turn their back on them. Also to keep in mind the Hur'q are supposedly where the Klingon got their warp drive technology from, and so I would wonder how they did overthrow them if the Hur'q backed by the Iconians during that time.
As such I could see that we start with the dominion maybe finding their outlying worlds being raided by the Hur'q/Fek'ihri forces, and they seek aid in repayment for their help with the Iconians they rendered. Then as we go thru the missions we start to find it is the Fek'ihri an the Hur'q, but than later we also find T'ket has sought to aid them once more after the iconians might have kicked them out of the galaxy (hence how the Klingons defeated them). I would hope though that the Iconians do not merely have just a single race of servitors in the Gamma quad, but maybe two or three servitor races instead that are working for them in the Gamma quad.
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So, hey - are the Cardassians snakes or not?
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I think that Cryptic can make a Cardassian class like they did with ROM. They can incorporate a whole intro storyline about the ex-Dominion War Dominion in the alpha quadrant, then transition to the normal storyline like in ROM and KDF. As for developing the Cardassians accurately and well, I think it doable, especially if they did it with ROM (hint: that doesn't seem too canon even though it is goodish).
Your description of a Cardassian is inaccurate. They're commonly known as the Cardassian Union and enslaved the Bajorans so they can work. I don't see selflessness in that (if you were sarcastic i didnt get it)
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There are numerous instances of a "superior" civilization trying to lift up an "inferior" civilization in our history. Defining one civilization as superior and another as inferior is trying to force one's beliefs on another civilization. A notable example is Europeans initially coming to the Americas.
As far as Bajorans go, humans would be violent against a civilization that was forcing their beliefs on us. Unlike most religions, Bajorans have actual scientific evidence of the prophets. The orbs before the Federation took over DS9 and the Sisko's experience with the Prophets during DS9. It is not xenophobic trying to defend your planet from invaders that is killing your friends and family and destroying your home through mining. Bajorans weren't forced to become part of Resistance due to being violent, superstitious, and xenophobic, but due to the Cardassian Military killing Bajorans and destroying the environment.
I suggest you read The Occupation of Bajor since Cardassians didn't try to civilize Bajorans, but were mainly stripping Bajor of its resources. Deep Space 9 was originally a refinery station using slave labor to process uridium ore from Bajor. How is a civilization that uses slave labor trying to civilize Bajorans? Bajorans were far more civilized than Cardassians before Cardassians conquered their planet.
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One might say the same thing of asses.
So, ok - Are these guys snakes, or not? Anyone?
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Hell at this point, I'm simply shocked that Cardassia simply hasn't bought the bullet and joined the Federation since they are so heavily dependent on them now since the Battle of Cardassia.
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No, you're simply a fanboy who can't see the fact that the current cardassians are a long since gelded shadow of their former selves. What happened to Garak and the coucil, probably has long since happened since the end of the War. Remember War ended 2375. It's 2410 almost 30 years after the fact. Garak was not a young man when that war went down, infact he's more than likely passed away as he was not a young man by the time of the war. If he is still alive, he's at best a geriatric.
So any story arc with that coucil and Garak has LONG since passed in the 30 years since the events of DS9. There is no story besides "hey we still have the true way acting like pirates, but we have our friends the KDF and Federation to deal with that, so we'll just sit there with our small defense fleet acting like past day Japan after WW2".
The Cardassians are gelded and just about worthless. They have no major standing military and if they did, they'd be breaking the treaty and both the Klingons and Federation would swoop in to crush them like bugs.
Face it, they would be a failed venture at best.
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This is of course a separate matter from the technical work that is involved in creating and maintaining a faction by devs, this is more concerning the background of a faction. So yes, Cardassians CAN work, but the only question is does it make sense from an economic and development resources perspective and how many would take interest in playing it.
From what I have read they took a lot of inspiration from serpent/snakes for the look of the cardassians by the memory-alpha wiki of them. An honestly I can see a lot of features of a cobra and other snakes in them, most of all the neck frills an the forehead areas giving the look of the cobra's hood.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Cardassian The stuff I am talking about is near th end of the wiki entry.