What is the basis of the Cardassian character and its society in Star Trek? It is selflessness.
Real people are weak and vain, but the Cardassians are an imaginary idealized form
What, and double what?
Cardassians were brutal conquerors, who violently oppressed anyone who wasn't them that they could, and ruled their people with an iron fist so tight they made the Tal Shiar look nice.
Cardassians were soem of THE biggest **** in Star Trek canon.
Don't fall for the OP. He pretends the Cardassian never oppressed the Bajoran and the Bajorans were the real villains. It's relatively easy to see how wrong he is if you've watched DS9, so you you know the real purpose of this alleged opinion is to rile up people. If you engage him, do it in fun, not because someone is wrong on the internet.
The least sympathetic, most unredeemable villain in all of Star Trek was Kai Wynn. The Bajorans are literally the People of Kai Wynn.
I am not sure. Even she realized at the end that the Pagh Wraiths weren't all that. But she lost any sympathy when she refused to step down as Kai because "once she had reptended and learned humility, she could fulfill the will of the Prophets better as Kai" or something like that. Seriously, that's someone not getting the message.
The beauty of DS9 was that the villains were so complex, and you could have sympathy with them.
And I think the Cardassians were one of the most complex species in Star Trek, and maybe the most plausible.
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Nature's perfect fall guys. Need a patsy or someone to blame in a hurry for a nefarious scheme gone badly wrong? Get yourself a Cardassian. Bestest stoopid cannon fodder evah! What? Don't believe me? Well then, go and ask the Dominion. And when you're done go ask the Pah-Wraiths. Hard to find better 2d string villains in all of science fiction.
And as for thse who desire to play this game as a Cardassian, go ask the Tal Shiar how that's working out for them? You want to be Gul Dukat when in reality all you'll ever be good enough to be is Gul Lible.
NOTE: None of the above applies to Garak. Garak is the only Cardassian I can ever respect. All the rest are far too busy with moustache-twirling lessons.
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Erm according to the sto story, garak took over the ruling of cardassia and it's reconstruction. With his cunning and intelligence there is an opportunity for a great story. I wonder if he would want some portion of revenge not so much against the dominion but the jemhaddar
Well, I was just putting the finishing touches on Ferenginar, but I guess if Druk is all about Cardassians now, I'll just delete that and start on Cardassia instead. . .
(Note to those not following along, this is a joke. Druk is usually all about getting Ferenginar made.)
Well, I was just putting the finishing touches on Ferenginar, but I guess if Druk is all about Cardassians now, I'll just delete that and start on Cardassia instead. . .
(Note to those not following along, this is a joke. Druk is usually all about getting Ferenginar made.)
Well played.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Cardassians have basis, they are efficent, sneaky and have eidetic memory.
So actually if there ever would be idea to get cardassians, it could get that in first mission is split to chosse, to align with democratic government and become a part of Civilian Defense Forces or to align with The True Way, and then make maybe 5 or 6 missions for each of them, tho The True should then get a more missions, as i doubt they would care whats happening in Delta quadrant, tho they would probably fight iconians.
but there is lot what can be made for their ARC, also i think that cardassians maybe comming next year, or we get Gamma recruits, tho no idea what that guys would do. So expansion like LoR for Cardassia seems as something for expect, AoY was been made quite fast in just several months, so if Cardassia is already under construction, maybe to expect, but we will see next summer.
Why would this OP upset anyone? We're talking about a fictional species in a fictional television show. It looks like you might be reading more into this than is warranted. I am completely serious in that I believe that a Cardassian faction should not be added to the game, as it would easily get all bungled up.
You really have no authority to decide the OP's intentions, nor do you have the authority to tell others how to react to the thread. This is a real issue. If you want more T6 connie complaint threads or threads begging for more revealing female clothing, be my guest.
I'm fairly certain I have actually seen that show you speak of. Unless... am I just a piece of fiction?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
What Feringinar could use is a big board that shows all the Trade Channel WTB and WTS prices for items. Given that the Ferengi just love having items drop from sources that go directly to the Trade Channel. That would be the logical thing to do. Just like a Vulcan would think.
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Well, I was just putting the finishing touches on Ferenginar, but I guess if Druk is all about Cardassians now, I'll just delete that and start on Cardassia instead. . .
(Note to those not following along, this is a joke. Druk is usually all about getting Ferenginar made.)
while I would rather visit the Great Link, I'm happy to visit Ferenginar.
I've given the idea of a Cardassian faction in STO a lot of thought, and I've become convinced that it simply isn't possible.
It's nothing to do with the developers or the engine or anything like that, it's just that the Cardassians are particularly poor fodder for an MMO.
What is the basis of the Cardassian character and its society in Star Trek? It is selflessness.
How do you represent that in a game, much less an MMO? To be compellingly and plausibly Cardassian, the player would have to have as his primary motivation selfless service to others. Self-sacrifice is where you do the work, you make the sacrifice, and someone else besides you benefits from it. That's not on with MMOs. An MMO player wants a reward, he or she won't do things without being rewarded.
The Cardassians are probably the finest creative product of the minds behind Star Trek, and its because they represent such an elevated purpose and a clarity of virtue. It would be difficult for any game to do them justice, unless that game was "selfless service simulator."
It's easy to understand why so many people admire the Cardassians and want to be like them, to imitate them, but you can already do that in STO. There is a growing number of Cardassian ships you can fly if you just want to do a tribute to them.
But actual playable Cardassians? Its very difficult to see how that could possibly work. Real people are weak and vain, but the Cardassians are an imaginary idealized form, they embody all that is best in people.
At this point the only faction I can see being added is the borg collective, and it would require them to be hostile to everyone and have an entire set of missions and STFs since, obviously, they couldnt do the borg missions. I highly doubt that will happen though.
I would like to see more races brought into the federation with game updates though, adding them to the playable species list and adding their ships. Cardassian would be nice - I'm aware you can create one with the alien options but having an actual cardassian species with unique perks/traits would be better. I can also see the possibility of jem'hadar joining the KDF, as a warrior race (and one that even klingons respected in battle).
I would really like to see some of the not-quite-so-canon species added. I was fond of the Lyrans, Mirak, and Hydrans from star trek: starfleet command 2, and the Interstellar concordium was also an awesome faction to play as.
Well, I was just putting the finishing touches on Ferenginar, but I guess if Druk is all about Cardassians now, I'll just delete that and start on Cardassia instead. . .
(Note to those not following along, this is a joke. Druk is usually all about getting Ferenginar made.)
Please tell us you're not putting us on about Ferenginar, I beg of you!
Ah! Dang You, Black Text Villain! You toy with me!
Keep your eyes on this shiny bar of latinum, Tacofangs. You are getting sleepy, verry sleeepy. You will make Ferenginar. You will fill it with exclusive money-making ventures. You will duck-walk to work every day in which you are not working on Ferenginar....
[quote="somtaawkhar;13059854"][quote="thay8472;13059847"]Would the Cardassians act the same way they did in DS9 after 35 years? [/quote] No
According to "The Path to 2409" lore series, which details the events between Nemesis and STO, the Cardassians have -Undergone major political and social reforms -Enacted a democratic government -Dismantled most of their warships, with the strict provision that they never form an actual military that can wage war again, though they are able to field a small defense force, and the Federation is obligated by treaty to defend Cardassian space if they are invaded(similar to Japan post WW2) -Made major trade deals with the Ferengi, in exchange for the Ferengi providing them the money and resources to rebuild their industry -A renewed interest in religion and spirituality[/quote]
This pretty much sums up why we would see a playable Cardassian as a Zen store unlock...
What is the basis of the Cardassian character and its society in Star Trek? It is selflessness.
Real people are weak and vain, but the Cardassians are an imaginary idealized form
What, and double what?
Cardassians were brutal conquerors, who violently oppressed anyone who wasn't them that they could, and ruled their people with an iron fist so tight they made the Tal Shiar look nice.
Cardassians were soem of THE biggest **** in Star Trek canon.
Thank you, I'm glad some one else feels this way. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for others being able to play them if they want, But I have no like what so ever to play one myself.
My mother always told me to walk away from a fight, The Marines taught me how.
Cardassians have basis, they are efficent, sneaky and have eidetic memory.
So actually if there ever would be idea to get cardassians, it could get that in first mission is split to chosse, to align with democratic government and become a part of Civilian Defense Forces or to align with The True Way, and then make maybe 5 or 6 missions for each of them, tho The True should then get a more missions, as i doubt they would care whats happening in Delta quadrant, tho they would probably fight iconians.
but there is lot what can be made for their ARC, also i think that cardassians maybe comming next year, or we get Gamma recruits, tho no idea what that guys would do. So expansion like LoR for Cardassia seems as something for expect, AoY was been made quite fast in just several months, so if Cardassia is already under construction, maybe to expect, but we will see next summer.
Unless the True Way ends up being part of the Alliance, then it won't be made into a playable faction. STO can't support antagonistic micro-factions anymore. Therefore, all potential micro-factions have to be part of the Alliance for endgame. The Civilian Defense Force and Borg Cooperative would work as micro-factions, but the True Way won't.
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I am not sure. Even she realized at the end that the Pagh Wraiths weren't all that. But she lost any sympathy when she refused to step down as Kai because "once she had reptended and learned humility, she could fulfill the will of the Prophets better as Kai" or something like that. Seriously, that's someone not getting the message.
The beauty of DS9 was that the villains were so complex, and you could have sympathy with them.
And I think the Cardassians were one of the most complex species in Star Trek, and maybe the most plausible.
Nature's perfect fall guys. Need a patsy or someone to blame in a hurry for a nefarious scheme gone badly wrong? Get yourself a Cardassian. Bestest stoopid cannon fodder evah! What? Don't believe me? Well then, go and ask the Dominion. And when you're done go ask the Pah-Wraiths. Hard to find better 2d string villains in all of science fiction.
And as for thse who desire to play this game as a Cardassian, go ask the Tal Shiar how that's working out for them? You want to be Gul Dukat when in reality all you'll ever be good enough to be is Gul Lible.
NOTE: None of the above applies to Garak. Garak is the only Cardassian I can ever respect. All the rest are far too busy with moustache-twirling lessons.
(Note to those not following along, this is a joke. Druk is usually all about getting Ferenginar made.)
Well played.
So actually if there ever would be idea to get cardassians, it could get that in first mission is split to chosse, to align with democratic government and become a part of Civilian Defense Forces or to align with The True Way, and then make maybe 5 or 6 missions for each of them, tho The True should then get a more missions, as i doubt they would care whats happening in Delta quadrant, tho they would probably fight iconians.
but there is lot what can be made for their ARC, also i think that cardassians maybe comming next year, or we get Gamma recruits, tho no idea what that guys would do. So expansion like LoR for Cardassia seems as something for expect, AoY was been made quite fast in just several months, so if Cardassia is already under construction, maybe to expect, but we will see next summer.
I'm fairly certain I have actually seen that show you speak of. Unless... am I just a piece of fiction?
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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I would like to see more races brought into the federation with game updates though, adding them to the playable species list and adding their ships. Cardassian would be nice - I'm aware you can create one with the alien options but having an actual cardassian species with unique perks/traits would be better. I can also see the possibility of jem'hadar joining the KDF, as a warrior race (and one that even klingons respected in battle).
I would really like to see some of the not-quite-so-canon species added. I was fond of the Lyrans, Mirak, and Hydrans from star trek: starfleet command 2, and the Interstellar concordium was also an awesome faction to play as.
Please tell us you're not putting us on about Ferenginar, I beg of you!
Ah! Dang You, Black Text Villain! You toy with me!
Keep your eyes on this shiny bar of latinum, Tacofangs. You are getting sleepy, verry sleeepy. You will make Ferenginar. You will fill it with exclusive money-making ventures. You will duck-walk to work every day in which you are not working on Ferenginar....
No
According to "The Path to 2409" lore series, which details the events between Nemesis and STO, the Cardassians have
-Undergone major political and social reforms
-Enacted a democratic government
-Dismantled most of their warships, with the strict provision that they never form an actual military that can wage war again, though they are able to field a small defense force, and the Federation is obligated by treaty to defend Cardassian space if they are invaded(similar to Japan post WW2)
-Made major trade deals with the Ferengi, in exchange for the Ferengi providing them the money and resources to rebuild their industry
-A renewed interest in religion and spirituality[/quote]
This pretty much sums up why we would see a playable Cardassian as a Zen store unlock...
Thank you, I'm glad some one else feels this way. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for others being able to play them if they want, But I have no like what so ever to play one myself.
Unless the True Way ends up being part of the Alliance, then it won't be made into a playable faction. STO can't support antagonistic micro-factions anymore. Therefore, all potential micro-factions have to be part of the Alliance for endgame. The Civilian Defense Force and Borg Cooperative would work as micro-factions, but the True Way won't.