Why is it so expensive? This game got waaay to many things that cost dil. And now this insane price? geez >_<
No...it really doesn't. I toss some of mine at fleet projects. Some up zen conversions. Some at upgrades...and I still have millions of this stuff...and I haven't actually played all that long. I can only imagine what the old timers have saved up. And I actually donate to my fleet...over a million so far. Not as much of some...but definately more then most. I told myself that the cost for epic gear was insane and I wasn't gonna do it when the R&D system came out. Guess what, my main now all epic energy weapons and consoles. They need more stuff like this actually.
Old timer here, also giving a lot to my fleet, and I don't have that much dil. They don't need stuff that cost this insane amount of dil.
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Was kinda looking forward to these, was even willing to spend a little real money to get them, but not 50 bucks for one outfit, thats just absurd.
This really just punishes the people that don't farm dilith on ten or more toons a day too, which I am not one of the people that do. I convert my 8k a day on two toons, maybee 3 sometimes, and thats it.
At these prices, zero chance of me ever getting them.
So using the 150 - 200 Lobi:
Lobi store costume = 150 Lobi, 200 Lobi
Average Number of Lobi per box = 5 (Min 4)
Price per Lockbox key = 125 Zen
MAX exchange rate Dil:Zen = 500:1
150 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 1,875,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
200 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 2,500,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
And this thread is a massive example as to why people can't chalk up to a challenge and beat it.
This is a perfect opportunity to challenge your friends, to make some friendly competitions, to see who can get which ones first! A chance to set a goal and reach it! Instead, everyone complains. They shrink back at the sign of a great challenge.
Seriously people, take a positive approach and maybe things wouldn't seem so bleak to you.
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Prices seem a tad high to me. Most likely priced that way to primarily drive Zen sales and pull dil out of the hands of "farmers" which is a good idea if it's reasonably successful. But then again I'm not privy to the economy numbers Cryptic has at their disposal.
Sure, lots of people will complain about the prices being so high for just an outfit. But then again lots of people seem to buy Zen for dil to dump into new fleet holdings which, at the end of the day, doesn't really provide them with much of anything once it's done and they've bought a few of the items that becomes available. So it really does appear to me it's targeted to very specific players, not the "average" joe.
So for all the people saying this is perfect: if it had be 1,000,000 would you be bawling that it's not high enough?
If .1% of the playerbase buys it, NO that's not a sink, that's a rounding error where you could have used the same assets to simultaneously pull more dilithium out of the pool and made more customers think favorably of your game experience. Lets skip past the straw man where I'm suggesting everyone should have their goodies handed to the for free/1day of dilithium refining/some other absurd proposition you know dam will I'm NOT making. I like multi-month goals, but this isn't multi-month, this is just zen store written as dilithium. It's high to the point of discouraging use rather than promoting it.
They'll gather data, and make adjustments, and we'll see where things go. But I think this is another time they've overplayed a weak hand.
So for all the people saying this is perfect: if it had be 1,000,000 would you be bawling that it's not high enough?
If .1% of the playerbase buys it, NO that's not a sink, that's a rounding error where you could have used the same assets to simultaneously pull more dilithium out of the pool and made more customers think favorably of your game experience. Lets skip past the straw man where I'm suggesting everyone should have their goodies handed to the for free/1day of dilithium refining/some other absurd proposition you know dam will I'm NOT making. I like multi-month goals, but this isn't multi-month, this is just zen store written as dilithium. It's high to the point of discouraging use rather than promoting it.
They'll gather data, and make adjustments, and we'll see where things go. But I think this is another time they've overplayed a weak hand.
I don't think anybody is saying this is perfect. However, I do think there are some [a lot] of people that don't understand this is an experiment, and an experiment by itself is neither good nor bad.
I think it's important to provide feedback on something you don't agree with, and I've stated my displeasure with other experiments Cryptic did in the past -- however, enough players decided they didn't care, and what was once an experiment is now business-as-usual.
We can (and should) state our displeasure about this as well, particularly if we feel it sets a poor precedent, but it should be done from the perspective that Cryptic is just as clueless about the popularity of these outfits as we are. Because they are. We can speculate all we want, but when the patch is done and over with, the dilex is going to bring out the truth and some of us may be surprised at just how "reasonable" enough players think the prices are, for better or for worse.
So for all the people saying this is perfect: if it had be 1,000,000 would you be bawling that it's not high enough?
If .1% of the playerbase buys it, NO that's not a sink, that's a rounding error where you could have used the same assets to simultaneously pull more dilithium out of the pool and made more customers think favorably of your game experience. Lets skip past the straw man where I'm suggesting everyone should have their goodies handed to the for free/1day of dilithium refining/some other absurd proposition you know dam will I'm NOT making. I like multi-month goals, but this isn't multi-month, this is just zen store written as dilithium. It's high to the point of discouraging use rather than promoting it.
They'll gather data, and make adjustments, and we'll see where things go. But I think this is another time they've overplayed a weak hand.
I don't think anybody is saying this is perfect. However, I do think there are some [a lot] of people that don't understand this is an experiment, and an experiment by itself is neither good nor bad.
I think it's important to provide feedback on something you don't agree with, and I've stated my displeasure with other experiments Cryptic did in the past -- however, enough players decided they didn't care, and what was once an experiment is now business-as-usual.
We can (and should) state our displeasure about this as well, particularly if we feel it sets a poor precedent, but it should be done from the perspective that Cryptic is just as clueless about the popularity of these outfits as we are. Because they are. We can speculate all we want, but when the patch is done and over with, the dilex is going to bring out the truth and some of us may be surprised at just how "reasonable" enough players think the prices are, for better or for worse.
I think it is perfect and would be fine with any price they would put it at. Dead honest.
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So for all the people saying this is perfect: if it had be 1,000,000 would you be bawling that it's not high enough?
If .1% of the playerbase buys it, NO that's not a sink, that's a rounding error where you could have used the same assets to simultaneously pull more dilithium out of the pool and made more customers think favorably of your game experience. Lets skip past the straw man where I'm suggesting everyone should have their goodies handed to the for free/1day of dilithium refining/some other absurd proposition you know dam will I'm NOT making. I like multi-month goals, but this isn't multi-month, this is just zen store written as dilithium. It's high to the point of discouraging use rather than promoting it.
They'll gather data, and make adjustments, and we'll see where things go. But I think this is another time they've overplayed a weak hand.
I don't think anybody is saying this is perfect. However, I do think there are some [a lot] of people that don't understand this is an experiment, and an experiment by itself is neither good nor bad.
I think it's important to provide feedback on something you don't agree with, and I've stated my displeasure with other experiments Cryptic did in the past -- however, enough players decided they didn't care, and what was once an experiment is now business-as-usual.
We can (and should) state our displeasure about this as well, particularly if we feel it sets a poor precedent, but it should be done from the perspective that Cryptic is just as clueless about the popularity of these outfits as we are. Because they are. We can speculate all we want, but when the patch is done and over with, the dilex is going to bring out the truth and some of us may be surprised at just how "reasonable" enough players think the prices are, for better or for worse.
I think it is perfect and would be fine with any price they would put it at. Dead honest.
Okay, so at least one person says it's perfect. I stand corrected.
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Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
And this thread is a massive example as to why people can't chalk up to a challenge and beat it.
This is a perfect opportunity to challenge your friends, to make some friendly competitions, to see who can get which ones first! A chance to set a goal and reach it! Instead, everyone complains. They shrink back at the sign of a great challenge.
Seriously people, take a positive approach and maybe things wouldn't seem so bleak to you.
A challenge? For a costume? LOL! This isn't a fleet holding, reputation equipment, etc.
Like I said before, how're those Dil EV Suits doing as Dil Sinks? Their stupidly priced also, surely they're draining a lot of Dil from the game?
So using the 150 - 200 Lobi:
Lobi store costume = 150 Lobi, 200 Lobi
Average Number of Lobi per box = 5 (Min 4)
Price per Lockbox key = 125 Zen
MAX exchange rate Dil:Zen = 500:1
150 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 1,875,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
200 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 2,500,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
Vs. 2,000,000 for a Dil store costume?
Food for thought
But you can also buy keys on the exchange, you can't do that for Dilithium. Also, you can buy and resell lobi costumes and ships on the exchange if you're so inclined, thus bypassing the whole need for keys at all, which you can't do with these item boxes - they're bound to character (thankfully. Just imagine what they sell for on the exchange!)
Of course, that's the whole point of a sink.
But I think it's too high personally. I'd grind Dil for each of these item on all 5 my Fed toons if they were more reasonably priced, even 500k per would be fine and provide enough of a sink that way. As it is - no matter how much I want these items, I probably won't put the effort to save up the Dil, what with needing it for upgrades and the like across all of my toons. It's already an extremely painful grind as it is just to maintain that habit (and no, I don't sell Dilithium for zen, but now I may have to start buying Zen to buy Dil. Cryptic most likely took that into account when making a lot of their recent decisions I'm sure).
How the hell is 2 million reasonable for one outfit that's per character bound?! They just keep making decesions that make no sense. First the Nagus now this stunt..Wtf.
Nope
As much as I would like to have them, I'm not spending multiple months trying to earn enough for a One Toon Outift, that should actually cost about $7 bucks.
(it's the damn monocle all over again)
Sorry Cryptic, but you can stick those prices where the sun don't shine.
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Before: "LOL Dilithium is so worthless it's almost 500 dil/zen. Craptic needs to get their **** together and put some dil sinks in the game."
Wasn't me who said that. I have untold millions of Unrefined Dilithium. But, at 8k refining limit a day, Dilithium is something I'm sort of always short of. Maybe no one else is Upgrading, but you can lose a 1,000,000 Dil on a single Epic Upgrade easily. So, it will be a cold day in hell before I pay Geko 2,000,000 Dil for a silly suit.
So using the 150 - 200 Lobi:
Lobi store costume = 150 Lobi, 200 Lobi
Average Number of Lobi per box = 5 (Min 4)
Price per Lockbox key = 125 Zen
MAX exchange rate Dil:Zen = 500:1
150 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 1,875,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
200 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 2,500,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
Vs. 2,000,000 for a Dil store costume?
Food for thought
THIS.
All would do well to read this and pop out your calculator if you feel the need.
EDIT: The only correction that you need to make is calculating 10 packs of keys instead of single keys.
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Old timer here, also giving a lot to my fleet, and I don't have that much dil. They don't need stuff that cost this insane amount of dil.
Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
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This really just punishes the people that don't farm dilith on ten or more toons a day too, which I am not one of the people that do. I convert my 8k a day on two toons, maybee 3 sometimes, and thats it.
At these prices, zero chance of me ever getting them.
Items under "Costumes" and "Ground gear" that can be used as costumes. (faction exclusive items create some available variance)
Price breakdown is:
10 @ 200 Lobi
6 @ 150 Lobi
4 @ 100 Lobi - Tholian silk scarf, Ferengi shirt , Ferengi skirts
2 @ 50 Lobi - EVA suit upgrades
3 @ 30 Lobi - Earrings
So using the 150 - 200 Lobi:
Lobi store costume = 150 Lobi, 200 Lobi
Average Number of Lobi per box = 5 (Min 4)
Price per Lockbox key = 125 Zen
MAX exchange rate Dil:Zen = 500:1
150 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 1,875,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
200 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 2,500,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
Vs. 2,000,000 for a Dil store costume?
Food for thought
This is a perfect opportunity to challenge your friends, to make some friendly competitions, to see who can get which ones first! A chance to set a goal and reach it! Instead, everyone complains. They shrink back at the sign of a great challenge.
Seriously people, take a positive approach and maybe things wouldn't seem so bleak to you.
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Sure, lots of people will complain about the prices being so high for just an outfit. But then again lots of people seem to buy Zen for dil to dump into new fleet holdings which, at the end of the day, doesn't really provide them with much of anything once it's done and they've bought a few of the items that becomes available. So it really does appear to me it's targeted to very specific players, not the "average" joe.
If .1% of the playerbase buys it, NO that's not a sink, that's a rounding error where you could have used the same assets to simultaneously pull more dilithium out of the pool and made more customers think favorably of your game experience. Lets skip past the straw man where I'm suggesting everyone should have their goodies handed to the for free/1day of dilithium refining/some other absurd proposition you know dam will I'm NOT making. I like multi-month goals, but this isn't multi-month, this is just zen store written as dilithium. It's high to the point of discouraging use rather than promoting it.
They'll gather data, and make adjustments, and we'll see where things go. But I think this is another time they've overplayed a weak hand.
I don't think anybody is saying this is perfect. However, I do think there are some [a lot] of people that don't understand this is an experiment, and an experiment by itself is neither good nor bad.
I think it's important to provide feedback on something you don't agree with, and I've stated my displeasure with other experiments Cryptic did in the past -- however, enough players decided they didn't care, and what was once an experiment is now business-as-usual.
We can (and should) state our displeasure about this as well, particularly if we feel it sets a poor precedent, but it should be done from the perspective that Cryptic is just as clueless about the popularity of these outfits as we are. Because they are. We can speculate all we want, but when the patch is done and over with, the dilex is going to bring out the truth and some of us may be surprised at just how "reasonable" enough players think the prices are, for better or for worse.
I think it is perfect and would be fine with any price they would put it at. Dead honest.
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Okay, so at least one person says it's perfect. I stand corrected.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
A challenge? For a costume? LOL! This isn't a fleet holding, reputation equipment, etc.
Like I said before, how're those Dil EV Suits doing as Dil Sinks? Their stupidly priced also, surely they're draining a lot of Dil from the game?
But you can also buy keys on the exchange, you can't do that for Dilithium. Also, you can buy and resell lobi costumes and ships on the exchange if you're so inclined, thus bypassing the whole need for keys at all, which you can't do with these item boxes - they're bound to character (thankfully. Just imagine what they sell for on the exchange!)
Of course, that's the whole point of a sink.
But I think it's too high personally. I'd grind Dil for each of these item on all 5 my Fed toons if they were more reasonably priced, even 500k per would be fine and provide enough of a sink that way. As it is - no matter how much I want these items, I probably won't put the effort to save up the Dil, what with needing it for upgrades and the like across all of my toons. It's already an extremely painful grind as it is just to maintain that habit (and no, I don't sell Dilithium for zen, but now I may have to start buying Zen to buy Dil. Cryptic most likely took that into account when making a lot of their recent decisions I'm sure).
2 mil for a single character unlock vs. 275k for an account wide unlock
Decidions... decisions...
As much as I would like to have them, I'm not spending multiple months trying to earn enough for a One Toon Outift, that should actually cost about $7 bucks.
(it's the damn monocle all over again)
Sorry Cryptic, but you can stick those prices where the sun don't shine.
smh
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The Kelvin Timeline ships are pretty awesome. They should be the bar by which all other T6 ships are measured by.
You talking about the monocle from EVE?
And 2,000 Dil for a single, consumable battery?! Seems Cryptic has finally gone completely mental!
That 2mil dilithium could buy you 7+ costumes from the Zen store...
They've gone mental all the way to the bank.
Wasn't me who said that. I have untold millions of Unrefined Dilithium. But, at 8k refining limit a day, Dilithium is something I'm sort of always short of. Maybe no one else is Upgrading, but you can lose a 1,000,000 Dil on a single Epic Upgrade easily. So, it will be a cold day in hell before I pay Geko 2,000,000 Dil for a silly suit.
All would do well to read this and pop out your calculator if you feel the need.
EDIT: The only correction that you need to make is calculating 10 packs of keys instead of single keys.
You just might get it.
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