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The hate for the Kelvin ships is ridiculous...
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I'd personally like to thank the teams at Cryptic and the people at CBS/Paramount that made these ships possible to be playable.
Now with the a**-kissing out of the way, I'd just like to ask: What possesses someone to hate a ship so damn much that they end up dropping a team and sometimes, some players send nasty PMs to the person? I'm not mad, I'm more curious than anything, It's only a large model of pixels on a screen. It's not like it's going to infect you with Andorian shingles and make your eyeballs bleed.
The way I see it, yes, some people say "Oh it's not canon, only Gene's Trek is canon." But things change. Gene's, sadly and unfortunately, gone.
You can eat the same kind of cereal all you want, but eventually, you gotta eat the oatmeal sitting in its can in the cupboard.
We finally have an endgame Constitution-class vessel. We finally have a plethora of TOS ships and skins to use for endgame purposes. We finally have an Intelligence-based Dreadnought with dual cannon compatibility.
That's something to be happy about. Sure, most of what I mentioned isn't considered canon by the community, but if CBS/Paramount finally let Cryptic have the assets and what not and work their asses off to bring us these crisp models, we can at least respect someone else that has them and keep our possibly hurtful opinions to ourselves.
We may not like a ship, but that doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I mean, aside from the TOS skin option, I hate the flat pancake ships. Mainly because most I've had on my team ridicule me for having a Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser and leave, but you know what? It doesn't matter. STO is about having a good time and the ignore option is there for a reason. If your "teammates" (and I use this term loosely) want to act like children and leave your team, then that's their problem. "Doing their part" and abandoning their team is a contradiction. If you were really going to do your part on a team, you'd put aside your feelings and get the job done. Everyone gets marks and dilithium and possible Rubidium/Z-Particle you can sell, so I don't know what the big deal is.
Now with the a**-kissing out of the way, I'd just like to ask: What possesses someone to hate a ship so damn much that they end up dropping a team and sometimes, some players send nasty PMs to the person? I'm not mad, I'm more curious than anything, It's only a large model of pixels on a screen. It's not like it's going to infect you with Andorian shingles and make your eyeballs bleed.
The way I see it, yes, some people say "Oh it's not canon, only Gene's Trek is canon." But things change. Gene's, sadly and unfortunately, gone.
You can eat the same kind of cereal all you want, but eventually, you gotta eat the oatmeal sitting in its can in the cupboard.
We finally have an endgame Constitution-class vessel. We finally have a plethora of TOS ships and skins to use for endgame purposes. We finally have an Intelligence-based Dreadnought with dual cannon compatibility.
That's something to be happy about. Sure, most of what I mentioned isn't considered canon by the community, but if CBS/Paramount finally let Cryptic have the assets and what not and work their asses off to bring us these crisp models, we can at least respect someone else that has them and keep our possibly hurtful opinions to ourselves.
We may not like a ship, but that doesn't mean someone else doesn't. I mean, aside from the TOS skin option, I hate the flat pancake ships. Mainly because most I've had on my team ridicule me for having a Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser and leave, but you know what? It doesn't matter. STO is about having a good time and the ignore option is there for a reason. If your "teammates" (and I use this term loosely) want to act like children and leave your team, then that's their problem. "Doing their part" and abandoning their team is a contradiction. If you were really going to do your part on a team, you'd put aside your feelings and get the job done. Everyone gets marks and dilithium and possible Rubidium/Z-Particle you can sell, so I don't know what the big deal is.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
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but each time i see the green text popping up that someone has aquired a ship for real money i get a mixed bag of emotions, first i feel sad for the stupid sap that spent real money on a ship,second i feel hate because of them whales is the reason this travesty of a game is still up and running,wish they would stop buying those glorified mounts so this game could die and then maybe we would get someone that would create a proper star trek mmo...
To some of us, these ships are just ugly. To most of us, they symbolise a radically wrong direction the franchise has taken.
Abrams Trek is divisive, and that is the case because it splits the fandom into those who love Star Trek the way it used to be. The Trek of TOS, TNG and large parts of DS9, of which we'll only find traces in VOY and ENT.
Now Abrams comes around and in his film he changes everything around. He destroys two of the most iconic locations fans have always loved - Romulus and Vulcan - and portrays his characters as imbeciles. Spock isn't clever enough to figure out he can save Vulcan by walking over to a Federation outpost and warning the Federation of impending doom, new-Spock isn't master of his own emotions and has a fling with Uhura, new-Kirk is a common bar room brawler, new-Sulu doesn't even realise the handbrake is on (or whatever they called it), new-Scott is a complete screwball played by an actor who just cannot do a serious role (love him as a comedian, but not here)... the list goes on - pair that with radically different aesthetics (e.g. apple store bridge, brewery engine room), a shaky camera, excessive lens flares and a plethora of mindless action sequences (something especially Nemesis was guilty of, too) and you get a very bad mix.
And the worst of it all is: Previous re-imaginings of the Trek universe respected what came before. Previous series always added to what was there before. Even Enterprise came out and 'fixed' most discrepancies by saying they were later corrected in the timeline.
Abrams Trek does not respect what came before. It's a mean-spirited parody. Its creators have admitted as much. It portrays a timeline incursion at a pivotal point in the Trek storyline simply so they can completely disregard anything that was released before, and they do it with a vengeance. Into Darkness was not one wee bit better
If you look at it closely, the temporal incursion in Abrams Trek does not explain most differences. Abrams Trek does not feel like it's Star Trek at all. The Kelvin alone, a ship supposedly from the prime universe into which the incursion from the prime universe future took place... it should have been a Daedalus class or something, not this monstrosity. The Nerada is equally horrible. Looks like a bad attempt at doing a Shadow vessel from Babylon 5. Certainly not like a Romulan ship.
No other change in or to the Trek universe has ever been this divisive, no other change has ever been this destructive.
So, long story short, the hatred for the ships stems from a hatred of those films.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they replace. Because they're trying to tell us (as you has in your intro post) that we've go an endgame Connie now - which we don't because that ship does not deserve to be called that.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they represent. Because they're the symbol for all that is wrong with Abrams Trek - which we don't want to see in the game as it constantly reminds us of it.
That said, I don't condone hateful messages to other players for flying those ships. The developers try to appeal to a particular customer base by introducing them, and thus they've moved away from trying to please Trekkies. That is not the fault of those players who happen to like Abrams Trek, it's the fault of those who decided to put these vessels into the game in the first place.
This is the reason I asked for a graphics mod in an earlier thread, to allow those of us to have a visual alternative who do not constantly want to be reminded of Abrams Trek through the visuals of the ships, that new uniform pack and (I fear) more stuff to come, without trying to force it on those players who happen to like it.
Some people don't like the new Star Trek and that's their right, but many do.
I have had players message me in my Vengeance and ask me how I like it and how I acquired it. I have also had one player in the Badlands send me a message that he wouldn't play in the same zone as me because my 'overpowered uber ship would steal all his kills.' I just laughed it off, I could have done just as much damage in an Arbiter or a Tactical Odyssey.. the guy was just a d'bag.
Sometimes, people just like to be rude, ignore them and play what makes you happy. I play the game to entertain myself, not the random people flying around with me.
It's a bit of a reminder to me that the most extreme positions in the game are in fact also rare. They just like to be vocal. few people go to the forums to report "Hey, I am kinda okay with you doing this"or "not my style, but whatever" or "oh, nice to see those, but my first love was the [canon ship] and I am sticking with it".
It's dedication plaque states Constitution Class.
Correct, the Galaxy is a revolting looking unbalanced fat ship and TNG is a mockery of TOS...
...Oh, sorry, I thought this was the 70s and ST fans were resistant to change.
So VOY and ENT are also divisive? Did you know DS9 is as well? All that trekking around one station and all that war? Or TNG is? All of ST is divisive.
Who loved Romulus?
Really? He's just had his planet blown up and you assume he's in his right mind? Really?
And...?
Kirk Prime had a father, KT Kirk had an abusive stepfather. Wow, different upbringings can create different people.
Here you go kid, here's the Federation Flagship, try not to get nervous and make simple mistakes eh?
Because Scotty was always the serious one right?
You'd prefer cardboard and primary colours?
You'd prefer two ships hung from strings a metre from each other with drawn on lasers? I can see why you'd hate excitement.
This did add to what was there before, what came before was eNT. the KT builds on that. It's an alternate timeline.
Bollocks.
Not even slightly
Correct. So what's your point? If you understand it's a alternate timeline why are you bothered?
A Daedalus? I don't think you can count. The Kelvin is a perfect example of a future version of an ENT era ship. All bare metal, turreted weapons, an industrial look, and realistic bridge. And the Nerada ia a Romulan ship with borg bits. Even if you don't accept that bit it's a civilian mining ship. It's not going to look like a military ship is it?
That's cute. Every new series had undergone the same amount of hate.
That's true.
Alternate Timeline, they don't replace anything.
It's dedication plaque states Constitution Class.
There's nothing wrong with the KT and the ships least of all.
I can hear the bagpipes of the True Scotsman warming up.
Really? Do you think we can do that with the TNG visuals as well because some of us really don't want to see the Galaxy at all. I don't see why we should have TNG shoved down out throats in this ST game. Everybody knows TNG is not 'True Star Trek TM'.
I've heard people aren't happy with the plots of the two KT films and they aren't exactly the masterpiece that TUC was, but bitching about how much change frightens you is pointless.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Now you listen to me ... GET BACK IN THE MARMITE FACTORY!
As for the Kelvin Timeline ships ...
That one ^^^ want ... NOWAH!
I honestly think those that're complaining about KT Ships haven't got much else in their lives, and should really try to experience new things instead of being mired in the past.
Things grow and evolve, after all...
and yes i do want a Vengeance. :P
Wrong, you're doing that to yourself.
There are plenty of us out there that like both.
Well, at least you're not making the mistake of assuming one has to be sixty years old in order to think JJTrek was TRIBBLE... that's a start.
That being said, Cryptic has managed to do a pretty good job with the way they chose to include it in the game (not the first time I've thought that; the Temporal Cold War and other links to Enterprise come to mind) - Terminal Expanse is a decent enough mission, the ships (minus the Vengeance) look pretty nice and I do like the way the new weapons look. My Paladin's now loaded with tons of Kelvin cannons and torpedoes.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
What I dislike is the holier than thou attitude they are so quick to hold up to all and sundry. And the fact they cannot pass a chance to do so. Like they're trying to prove they are a better Star Trek fan than I am. Because they have remained steadfast to the True Faith in the face of all this JJTrek heresy. They'll go on at length about this too if you give them the opportunity. Some of them even get all Westboro Baptist about it.
I wonder, are they explaining to us or merely trying to justify to themselves?
well the Vengeance is not a pretty ship by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a big utilitarian thing with some firepower to it.
hence the want.
certainly wouldn't turn the T6 connie down either.
a) just because something says it's a Consitution doesn't mean that it is. False advertising and labelling is as old as humanity itself. It's like making a sugary-sweet breakfast cereal and labelling it health food.
b) there's a difference between resisting change just because it's different or resisting change because the change is for the worse. Claiming otherwise is stating that all change must necessarily be for the better, always. I'm sure you can all find lots of examples where this is not the case.
The "wrong direction" started with Enterprise, which started the whole "We don't know how to progress the story any further, so we're just going to do flashback shows/movies now." I don't see the same hate for stuff that came from that show.
That's the only problem I have with JJPrise. I always thought Fed ships were ugly, anyway. I'd just rather see the story progress, not be forgotten and/or rebooted. Well, so long as it's not Voyager. That's the only series I just couldn't bring myself to watch. I really did not care for anything about it.
But it isn't false advertising. CBS and Paramount say it is a Constitution Class. SO guess what? its a Constitution Class
It's just not the Constitution Class we are used to or would love to have at T6
Look, we know you are unhappy, shoot, I was spewing hate after I saw the first movie (I was laughing after the 2nd one...kicking the warp core?...saved by Kahn's blood?)
But you know what? I remembered how each iteration of Star Trek started out and how they changed over time. Give it time.
As much as you hate on JJ Trek, it was what sparked interest in Star Trek again and got us a new series.
Think of 'Into Darkness' as this Trek's 'Final Frontier' with a dab of 'Threshold' and 'Spock's Brain'
As it has been said...whether you like them or not, the new ships ARE canon.
Kelvin Timeline's yet to have its inaugural "Growing of the beard"
or have people forgotten how utterly full of cheese Season 1 of TNG was, hrm?
I mean come on guys, without Abrams version of Trek the franchise was as good as dead. Enterprise got cancelled, Nemesis was hated by a large number of fans and outsiders...this game would not exist without the rebooted Trek films getting the franchise some attention.
Kelvin ships are as different AND similar to the TOS as TNG, or DS9, or Voyager were. They are all different versions of the same universe and how it's been envisioned in different television eras. To hate only one is personal choice but to say it's definitive is just ridiculous.
I grew up watching TNG after school and that's my Trek, but I totally accept that everything before and after is the same universe even if it looks a little different due to visual preferences when it was made. But I love all of it, even if each show had some real stinker episodes and some of the films are a bit wobbly.
I'm grateful for the Kelvin films because it's more Trek, and i'm glad it's been integrated (really well actually) into the game.
Eh, Enterprise wasn't after a long period of absolute nothingness, and it at least made some token effort to adhere to previous canon. Not a very good or successful effort, but an effort nonetheless. The Kelvin timeline, on the other hand... it's different enough that it cannot be reconciled with its chronological predecessor (remember, ENT is a common element to both timelines), and Nero's time travel event somehow managed to completely (and possibly retroactively) change the birth dates of most or all of the TOS crew on top of everything else it allegedly managed to retroactively TRIBBLE up.
In that regard, I repeat that Cryptic handled the whole affair a lot better than Abrams and his lot, by abandoning any pretense of 'alternate timeline caused by time travel event' and going all-out 'alternate reality' on the place. I still think it's TRIBBLE, and I still hate the fact that it's drastically reduced the likelihood of getting any more prime universe content outside of STO, but at least it's slightly less ridiculous now that they've made that adjustment.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I'm going to take the other path of extremity here just for fun.
We're currently in Earth 1. You all are living on Earth 2, enjoying the golden age and the past. Which is cool and all, but we're in the right now. The Enterprise that is commanded by Captain Kirk in 2016 is the one that is on the big screen and will get blown up in movie theaters across the country this week. It's the Kelvin timeline. It's the here and now.
It's the Enterprise. And it's what we've got.
And much like Scotty in the first film, those of us in STO can now get our hands on her ample nacelles.
So while you're hanging out with Johnny Thunder over a nice Turkey dinner at some hotel talking about past capers with the rest of your Justice Society ... the Justice League over here on Earth One is having new adventures and moving the story forward!
I have little hope of the next series being any better... if it's not based on the reboot it might be. I'm just not that thirsty for Trek that I'll drink anything, if you know what I mean.