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Best Expansion Ever and Players Love it. True or False? STO: AOY

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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    True
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    The problem is that they billed this as a full expansion, which it's not so as a full fledged expansion it's false. However, if you look at it just as a mini-expansion or just stop being a troll and look at it as simply new content we get to play with, then it becomes true, because as far as new content goes, while admittedly small, it's well done. The issue isn't with the content, which so many people are whining about, it's about how Cryptic decided to advertise it. The content is great, the advertising is a bit misleading.

    I personally don't find there to be much of a problem with the advertising. AOY is very much above a season release but below the volume of content DR and LOR had (though there's no doubt that it contains much less filler in both cases).

    You could argue for that third "mini-expansion" category but is that really something that's going to be useful in the future? Are expansions and mini-expansions going to be co-existing things? Probably not, so maybe just read "expansion" as "bigger than seasons" and leave it at that.
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  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    Not sure yet
    Overall, I've been enjoying it so far - but it's early days yet. I would be surprised if there were not more stuff on the way in future updates, anyway.

    As an unabashed TOS fan, I liked that aspect of it a lot - it's a shame we don't get to see some more of the 23rd Century map (I did trundle around it and try to beam down on Earth, Vulcan and Andoria, but no dice there.) And I am happy about minor things like the new costume options. (My Andorian main looks like a proper Andorian now! With a chainmail jersey and a tabard and an ENORMOUS GUN.)

    But I shall reserve judgment until I've played through more of the content.
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  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    Not sure yet
    It's only just out FFS :persevere:

    Liking it so far, lots of love in the 23c content although I would have liked to spend more time back there. Then we wouldn't have got the cross-faction stuff I guess, so whatever. Can always visit my bridge or go play with the Devidians if I'm feeling especially nostalgic :)
  • jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    False
    cross821 wrote: »
    If your a big fan of TOS, like i am, then yes if not then nope

    I'm a ToS fan and whilst I do enjoy doing the 23c stuff, the contents seems a little sparse when compared to LoR or DR.
  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    False
    Dunno how it could even be considered the best expansion. It just added a new tutorial and a modified Delta recruit event.

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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    False
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    So far (being at level 20 now), I mostly like it. But LoR worked way better for me.

    Especially the part where your new TOS character is supposed to pretend not to be a TOS character any more was really a downer, by the way. It was like "and now, please pretend to no longer pretend to be a 23rd century captain". If I did not want to pretend that, why would I play a TOS captain?
    Same here.
    After the nice 23rd century missions we're basically thrown into 25th century ESD and being told to blend in and play all the same missions we all played countless times over the years AGAIN?!?
    Surely, it would be too much to expect a whole new series of missions from level 10-60. But after level 10 we're basically normal FEDs with TOS styled animations. That's it.

    I mean not only the devs didn't give us any Zone/Hub or in ingame terms a 23rd century styled base, we're basically told to blend in the 25th century and basically told to keep a low profile.
    If you take it literally the character shouldn't be flying around with 23rd century looking ships or wear a 23rd century uniform! It negates the point of playing a 23rd century character in the first place. The fun was to play a 23rd century character, NOT to avoid being one. But fortunally for cryptic, 99.99% of the players don't care about stuff like that anyway, lol.

    LoR at least made some sense but AoY is just...
    Cryptic: "You like TOS? Here's a new tutorial with shyiny TOS toys you don't want to use after level 10 anyways..."



    It would have been far better, if station DS -K13 would have stranded at the 25th century and served as AoY central social zone, similar to the Romulan central command.
    Heck, we could have saved the crew of the U.S.S. Defiant and put them on that station!
    Daniels could have created some time travel technobabble thingy that makes the station unreacheable for normal 25th century residents, thus isolating it and having the crew of the Defiant basically erased from the timeline without having them killed.

    Also having 23rd century themed ground and space weapons/equipment should be a matter of course, for all level including endgame!


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  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    True
    Yes because they stuff that is there, I LOVE. I grew up on tos syndication so its nostalgic for me for sure. Now for the gripe: yes whats there is awesome ai love the tie ins to g7 and journey to babel, and the overall quality (I know alot of ppl are complaining about the film grain and audio quality.. I think it actually works well because of what theyre trying accomplish). Only thing i dont like is it keeps you wanting a lot more. The tos sector block is just crying to be expanded with things like the original k-7, tos klingon red alerts, HARRY FREAKIN MUDD (just decided what my other tos char is gonna be hehe Ive already got a KDF stella), the first federation .. would love to see them again. Point is whats there is GREAT, its just not as "expansive" as LoR, as many have already stated. I still vote true because I personally love it, and the klingon war arc will somewhat allow that unique tos feel deeper into the tour, but I hope we'll have access to these maps and npcs for the foundry because Ive got some ideas knockin around my head for what I could do with em (and who knows maybe Ill actually finish a foundry mission for once). If it was 1-30 or even 1-20 it would for sure be a grand slam, as it stands its a home run that bounced of the green monster.
  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    Not sure yet
    It has so much potential. I like the window dressings a lot. the old school tricorders, and communicator's and the ships. Problem was I realized that I was at the end of the exclusive stories, and I could fly the ships on characters I like better. Therein lies another problem, although my head canon for my main character if very similar to AoY, and I had an elaborate setup for the new one, the race limiters are killing it for me. I miss the tail swishing during slow moments. I'm still playing it though just in hopes something will turn it around.
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  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    False
    Way too much hype for what's actually there. The way it was promoted made it sound like a 1-50 storyline that merged with the current story at the end, but instead we got a handful of missions, a sector map that's mostly unused, and a few 23rd century costume pieces?

    There is room for SO much more but cryptic really dropped the ball.
  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    False
    yreodred wrote: »
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    So far (being at level 20 now), I mostly like it. But LoR worked way better for me.

    Especially the part where your new TOS character is supposed to pretend not to be a TOS character any more was really a downer, by the way. It was like "and now, please pretend to no longer pretend to be a 23rd century captain". If I did not want to pretend that, why would I play a TOS captain?
    Same here.
    99.99% of the players don't care about stuff like that anyway, lol.

    more like cryptic will say is a sucess because of how much money it makes not weather people like it.
    its the face of mmos now a days, no longer is it how can we keep people engaged and having fun its how much can we swindle out of them.

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  • shurkhemolightshurkhemolight Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    False
    lol what expansion? The "expansion" here only applied to the z-store, otherwise we got next to nothing.

    This doesn't even come close to LOR "or" DR, im thinking STO is heading out to pasture.
  • shurkhemolightshurkhemolight Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    False
    patrickngo wrote: »
    We'll see what the metrics say in a few weeks. "The Players" is a pretty nebulous diagram. I'm a little concerned because they had to pile on the bribes with the recruit event-doesn't say much about their confidence in their own quality-of-work, TBH, and maybe that reluctance is justified.

    It took them over a year (according to Geko's statements) to do Agents of Yesterday, and that's about 50% more time than Legacy took for four times the mission content, plus service to another entire faction (the 1-20 KDF leveling missions), two social zones, a full suite of ships that introduced all-new mechanics and required all new graphics design to produce (from skeleton upward), plus a change in fundamental factioning mechanics, plus an all new and faction-unique set of uniforms for hte Romulan and reman players, plus Veteran reward race, plus...

    BUT.

    This is a Federation leveling revamp, and they finally managed to break the rule against Federation ships having integral cloaking, plus they give teh Federation players a good Raider to play with in the Ourobouros, and there's the lockboxed Kelvin stuff to add in.

    Comparing the task to the achievement, Legacy of Romulus was done with less in funding, less in personnel, less in time, produced more end-user product for more end-users across a broader spectrum at a time when the conventional wisdom was that the playerbase was too small to support the game across the board.

    but, it only netted 11% of the playerbase and barely dented KDF numbers (only dropped them by 2%, clearly not as many KDF dropped as Geko would've liked.)

    This one is laid out and set up to absolutely CRUSH the smaller factions with the Recruit event, so that secondary goal may well be achieved and they can maybe push KDF and Romulan player groups below 5% of the total characters in play.

    so, will the only players that matter love it? Probably.

    IS it the best expansion ever? well, that, too, is a purely subjective argument. Certainly for the people that wanted a Tier Six "Sort of Constitution" it is, and for the Federation players that have been lobbying for Cloaks and Battlecloaks it is, and for everyone that felt that any faction but Blue was a waste of money that was drawing off "THEIR" game it is-and they better not start bitching about it either, the ungrateful ****.

    The real question is: "Is this the best expansion they can achieve?" and right now? I am sad to say I believe it is. The team that built New Romulus isn't this team. There are a few remnants and members from that team, but it's not the same group of people, and I almost suspect that the ones that made Legacy of Romulus really happen aren't here anymore and this is what we've 'got left' after they "departed for other opportunities-amicably, we swear!!"

    I'm afraid we're looking at the pinnacle of what this team is capable of now-and we KNOW they've run out of things to loot from the KDF side for Fed items and content now-they've taken the last of the distinctiveness, if they want to do another lockbox, they'll have to actually come up with something new. Samewise if they want to give another enticement to The Majority.

    It's all downhill from this point on, Cryptic got nothin' left to offer. Shot their wad for the anniversary, they don't have the creativity or freedom to come up with new things for The Only People That Matter, and the ones that don't?

    well, we've been in population decline for four years now KDF side, and after this, I expect a lot of Romulans will wind up leaving with no replacements too.

    Not that either will be noticed after they run the formulas in their metrics to show the parent company how popular this expansion is (kinda like they did with Delta Rising, come to think of it...)

    but it should maybe make money for the quarter, and quarterlies is where it's at.

    Yes, and the metrics will be padded by the fact that people in small fleets will roll multiple toons (all fed) to pump fleet marks and dilithium perks into fleet projects, as well as chuck whatever ECs they get as perks at their "real" main(s).

    After the fact we'l probably happily delete all of these wannabes.

    Exactly what the wife and i are doing now, convenient metric padding huh. B)

  • mas134gluck123mas134gluck123 Member Posts: 302 Arc User
    True
    Best one ever, i wish that they expand TOS story arc, at least 5 more missions, before temporal interference, or with temporal, just that it be in TOS :)
  • isthisscienceisthisscience Member Posts: 863 Arc User
    Not sure yet
    What they have done is so beautiful. I love the style and the atmo of it all. There just isn't a lot of it, or it isn't well used. Loads of times so far if thought "oh, it would have been amazing if they did X with that".

    One big critical problem I think is there is no way to go back to the 23rd C full time. That was a deal breaker with me buying the pack. Imagine if you could; there would be the chance for more missions to be added later and foundry doors could be put in for some UGC missions to really flesh out the opportunities.

    Throw in a rather confused temporal story line that seems to be have been put together by Moffat's evil counterpart... Like I say, there is a lot of great stuff with the TOS-era in here but I'm yet to be convinced.
  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    False
    Just another Delta Recruit. Good for rewards then forgetting that it even exists. Just like the Future Proof story line.
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  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,285 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    As far as this being the Best or Worst Expansion, that's a difficult choice to make.

    The good

    It does give some good nods to the roots of Trek.

    Some of the audio clips from the TOS episodes work well. Nice to hear from some of the Original crew.

    They got some decent voice acting.

    The visuals as far as the ships, uniforms and environments go are well done.

    Getting at least some 23rd Century drops is nice.

    The story is pretty good.

    The bad

    The film grain effect for me is horrid. Eyestrain and headaches plagued me the rest of the day after playing through the initial arc. An option to turn that off would have been wonderful.

    Some of the TOS audio clips were really bad.

    There is simply not enough content. While by pure definition this IS an expansion, it pales in comparison to LoR and DR. It's a glorified tutorial.

    Looking at the list it would seem that I would lean more towards the "True" side of this poll, but it's not simply a matter of having more positive to say than negative. It's taking this Expansion as a whole and judging it that way. And when I do that, no, this is not the "best expansion ever".

    I know I'll get a lot of flak about this, but if I were to rank the 3 expansions, this comes in dead last. Nothing is going to top LoR short of a potential Gamma Quadrant Expansion that has the same level and amount of content as LoR, and I can't see that happening. Even as much as DR is loathed, it had more content (even taking out all the blasted patrol missions) than AoY.

    While LoR was primarily focused on introducing Romulans as a playable faction, Klingons got lvl 1-20 content and everyone got access to Nimbus III. The Romulan story was pretty good and the Klingon missions from 1-20 were enjoyable. And I personally love Nimbus III, I take all my characters there to run the arc.

    DR was created for everyone so all three factions got the same amount of content. And when you add in the Kobali ground zone, there is actually quite a bit to do. And while Kobali Prime may not be to everyones taste for various reasons, it's still there. And I actually enjoy it. It's nice to "get off the ship" from time to time.

    AoY on the other hand is aimed directly at Feds. There are what, 6 missions to start your career and then 4 additional missions later on that everyone gets access to? Add in the 2 new queues and that's basically it. So little content.

    It'll be a while before I see those other later missions since now that my 23rd Century Captain is in the 25th Century, it's time for me to head back to Risa and enjoy the rest of the Summer event. Then I will be leveling up my last Delta Recruit before getting to my AoY Captain.

    So since I haven't played through all the new content yet, and won't for some time, my vote has to go with "Not sure yet", but leaning and likely will end up being "False", just simply due to the lack of content. Unless those other 4 missions are so mind-blowingly awesome that they can change my mind.

    This isn't to say that what content there is isn't good, because it is good. There just isn't enough to justify this as a real expansion.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    False
    There's no dispute. Legacy of Romulus is still the best expansion to date. :p
  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    True
    I'm lovin it so far, Granted I haven't played much because I worked all day and night yesterday, but when I came home I was havin a blast. I can't wait to get back on again today !

    What would throw it over the top for me would be if we could return to our era spacedock, to give us the illusion of actually time travelin, maybe have AOY character's captain's table be from the TOS era or somethin.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    I can't really say at this point. I love the TOS visuals and I am so happy for the Tellarite makeover (although they're still missing their cloven hooves pig-12.gif ) allowes for decent looking female Tellarite (and I mean seriously decent *squeal* pig-34.gif ). The weapons, items and animations are extremely well done - if they would work. Roughly two thirds of the animations don't work properly, the TOS Gorn are so awesome but they don't fall over when you shoot them, they simply freeze in place. NPCs can't walk straight and wobble around, constantly playing scan sounds without ever taking a tricorder out. And then all these 23c visuals are restricted for pre lvl 10 characters and we can never retur there? Seriously? Voice work was rather good, but the TOS sound clips inserted really miss the mark, please don't do that again.

    Very much on the fence here. A lot of stuff I love but it feels only halfway finished, rushed, not thought through. So much potential...​​
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,461 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    True
    Romulus 7,402

    DR 5,432

    AOY 4,557

    Steam numbers. Maybe the weekend will be bigger when the bugs are fixed. Maybe the playerbase is down further. And maybe more have migrated to ARC, but these are the only numbers we have.

    Sorry, but Steam numbers only relate to Steam and not to the population of STO. I'll also say that I actively discourage players from using Steam for STO because there is no benefit to the game. In fact, it's just wasted RAM when playing with Steam. I did hear from a player that at one point during the last day, there was a login queue.
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  • alpharaider47#7707 alpharaider47 Member Posts: 171 Arc User
    True
    I've waited since launch for a Kelvin Constitution. The forums told me it would never happen, that I was a fool, an idiot. That I was part of the problem and couldn't be a true fan of Trek because I like the Abrams movies. Last night I accomplished what I thought was only a dream, that others said would never happen- I unpacked and launched my T6 Kelvin Constitution and played several missions after upgrading my new kelvin phasers. A years long dream accomplishe'd and I still have so much content left to explore.

    Yeah, I'm happy with this expansion, I haven't had this much fun in STO in a long time.
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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,278 Arc User
    Not sure yet
    What....NO memes yet? was it that bad as DR....still unsure.

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  • giannicampanellagiannicampanella Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    True
    AoY is absolutely my favorite. Easily the best reception and technically launched without a hitch compared to LoR. LoR was huge, of course, but so is this different timeline/time period approach to a new faction. In terms of quality, AoY is easily Cryptic's best work, and Cryptic has done amazing things previously. Thank you, devas!
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    True
    I've waited since launch for a Kelvin Constitution. The forums told me it would never happen, that I was a fool, an idiot. That I was part of the problem and couldn't be a true fan of Trek because I like the Abrams movies. Last night I accomplished what I thought was only a dream, that others said would never happen- I unpacked and launched my T6 Kelvin Constitution and played several missions after upgrading my new kelvin phasers. A years long dream accomplishe'd and I still have so much content left to explore.

    Yeah, I'm happy with this expansion, I haven't had this much fun in STO in a long time.

    It's amazing isn't it? To be told for years and years that the thing you liked in Trek wasn't going to happen and to be made to feel like your Trek fandom was less valuable than someone else who likes the Excelsior or something ... to see all that wiped away this summer ... it gets me a little choked up!

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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    False
    Last night in my last successful ISA pug, I hung around in my T6 Daedalus and flew side by side with a teammate that was doing a shakedown run on their T6 Kelvin Connie. It was just soooooo cool!

    well, we have understood that you have a daedalus, i think that you can stop now.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    False
    Good expansion? Yes, best ever, NO.
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  • centaurianalphacentaurianalpha Member Posts: 1,150 Arc User
    Not sure yet
    At least it feels more like TOS than most of the game; even the "view grain" is reminiscent of how we watched it back in the day. IMO, this is where the game should start for ALL Fed characters, current event notwithstanding. Now, if only we could have an equivalent for KDF & Rom characters, then the STO universe would be nearly complete for me... :p
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  • nyx219nyx219 Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    False
    As much as I've tried in the last day, I just can't love this one. However, it has nothing to do with the dev staff or their work on it. That is to mean it's not the look, the art is wonderful (whoever worked on it needs a raise)

    Aside from my own personal TOS dislike (yes, I'm one of those people), it just doesn't have enough to it. It's lacking in content amount. I think it can be salvaged, though, It needs at least double the starter stories for a real faction feel. Right now, this doesn't feel like anything factional at all. If anything, it feels more like a half-hearted attempt at making an homage story or two into something drawn out.

    I'm not saying it needs go poof to into the void, but it's no LoR expansion for sure. Just a couple of episodes? Did I miss a social zone somewhere? What's supposed to be the repeat player hook here? Am I making any sense?
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    Not sure yet
    Not sure yet. I can only say two things for certain right now:

    1: Day 1 server troubles aside, I enjoyed the 23rd century.

    2: I LOVE the Pioneer! I absolutely adore it; and am tempted to do one of those tier one challenges just so I can keep flying it (but I won't, because masochism really isn't my thing). Really hope we get a similar looking 'Heavy Utility Cruiser', or 'Advanced Utility Cruiser' futher down the line. <3
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