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Bad gut feeling about the Vengence.
hyefather
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I have a bad feeling about the Vengence. I think Cryptic is going to give us the Avenger/Arbiter just with a new skin and in thier mind to make it more powerfull throw a stuppied hanger bay on it.
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And yes, it's going to be the single most powerful ship in the game (by a modest margin). Like happens every time a new wave of ships comes out.
But I'm sure you could find pretty much full stats, thoughtful discussion of this very topic, and even some builds if you look for existing threads with the word Vengeance in the title...
See my sig for what it will probably be, based on Cryptic's own tweet leak's..
Not sure it will beat the Scimitar, but it will be close.
The trait and console will be the ultimately decide how OP it is.
Unlikely, as they're completely different ships.
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As I said in another thread, for me personally.. I'll still get better DPS out of the Arbiter. On the Romulan side, I pull higher DPS with the Morrigu then I do the Scimitar due to the superior handling of the ship. The Vengeance, like the Scimitar will probably handle like a brick suspended in a bucket of oatmeal. While the Romulan ships can use the battle cloak to help with maneuvering and positioning, the Vengeance likely (hopefully) won't have a full battle cloak. If you're a captain that likes to take full advantage of flanking using Intel Spec then the Vengeance should have a huge disadvantage there.
Of course, it's final stats haven't been released yet, and honestly.. Cryptic seems dead set on making the Vengeance the new king in order to milk as many key sales as possible. It wouldn't be a total surprise if they made it a huge ship that handles like an escort. This ship appears to be all about the profit.
His sig clearly says that's what he wants.. not what it is.
If you're confirming that the information is right or wrong, then the only one actually breaking a rule is you.
Y'all can get over this 'its a big mystery' gag.
Nope, it is what I think/want it to be based on what Cryptic have leaked in their own tweet's.
No idea if this is actually how it will be, just a guess..
From what my tribble told me its gonna be great.
Lets say you got "Lucky" and nailed the stats in your sig. There are a few things I would like see changed. To make the ship more diverse and more desirable IMO. The console layout 5 tac, 3 eng, 3 sci OR 4 tac, 3 Eng and 4 sci. Everything else seems pretty nice. The special console that comes with it I think should be this, A extended arm (just like in the movie) that fires 6 vollys of Torpedo spreed 3 or Toggle for 3 vollys of High Yield 3. It needs to be something with a WOW factor, like holy TRIBBLE did you see that. The cloak should be a battle cloak but NOT a enhanced Battle cloak. You know what. Now that I think about it. Make it a 3 pack and call it a day. That way everybodys happy.
I'm more concerned about getting attacked in sector space. I mean this ship fired phasers at warp speed.
I think this post wins the thread.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
as all TOS ships did with no one having issues with it ;p
to quote Kirk himself "a ship not capable of warp speeds is like a punching brick" it was his comment on the situation of enterprise having to receive attack runs from unidentified vessel while flying impulse
Vengeance is the first post TNG ship that matches combat capability of ships from TOS era ;p
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Ships did it on Enterprise as well, although not consistently. The ship's plot device is what allows it, and that stupid thing breaks all the time.
Even if it was unique, which it seems it is not, it makes no difference to actual gameplay. All the warp and instant travel mechanics bonuses that are a feature of many ships do nothing to give the ship an advantage where it really matters outside of sector travel. One cannot fight at warp outside of a single staged cut-scene with the rogue Annorax, use it to chase or ambush enemies, escape battle situations with greater chances of success (outside of leaving the queue), explore new worlds and travel to distant corners of the galaxy with greater range.
Also, excuse my TOS and JJ-trek ignorance, but did the Vengeance have cloak in the film for it to possibly come with standard built-in cloak?
not like there's any treaty of algeron currently in effect in the AR to prevent them from developing one, or just swiping one from the klingons or romulans
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Um Enterprise D did it a few times during the show as well.
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DS9's "Waltz"; Dominion ships fire on a Nebula while at warp.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Vengeance and http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Dreadnought_class
Not that's mentioned on Memory Alpha, though it might have some kind of enhanced warp drive. The closest thing would be the comments about its design:
yeah, that one i definitely never would've remembered because i've only seen that episode once...and it was a few years ago to boot
though, speaking of DS9...wasn't there an episode where kor took a bird of prey and knocked an entire squad of jem'hadar attack ships out of warp to allow another klingon vessel to escape pursuit? that would qualify as firing at warp too
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
TNG/DS9 generally used torpedoes at warp and had no issues - but energy weapon use has been very rare.
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Hell during the warp wormhole, Kirk was about to order Phasers to destroy the object, but the only reason he couldn't fire them was because they were disabled because of the warp drive on the fritz.
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You need to look at it as they will need to pay out Paramount. This ship is Paramount's property and probably they want a huge cut for it.
Also if the sig is true this will be the most OP ship ever. Unless it has a turn rate of 1. Then it's ok lol...
Your "more desirable" stats would blow the general rule for cruisers right out of the water. For a start, the Vengeance is a Dreadnought CRUISER, and, like every other cruiser at [T6], it will have no less than 5 Engineering console slots. As for Tactical and Science, the stats in @sunfrancks sig are more than sufficient for a Dreadnought Cruiser-classed ship - which is effectively a heavy battlecruiser - to be balanced.
Asking for anything more is both ridiculous and pointless, we never got a god-mode GCS or Defiant when they became T6 - in spite of their many appearances in the shows and movies - so why should the Vengeance (a C23rd ship) be absolutely godly, just because it smashed the Gray Lady into smithereens?
Only because you missed that we told this exact joke in the "I want to recreate the USS Vengeance" thread two months ago