GEKO: "It is a new faction - we were coy about calling it a new faction in the press release - there was some marketing concerns about the connotations of it, but it's at least as much of a new faction as Romulans. It's just technically still Federation, right, it's just Federation from 2270 instead of 2409. It's a new faction, a new starting experience with its own arc, its own content specifically for them."Source: http://priorityonepodcast.com/po269/
(at around the 24 minute mark)
"At least as much of a new faction as Romulans" has some holes in it, though. How exactly are they going to make TOS captains something more that mere TOSFeds?
Will TOS captains remain independent, or will they have an ally? If they are an ally-/mini-faction, would we even have a choice of ally like the Romulans?
Will TOS captains have access to Fed ships, and will Feds have access to TOS ships? If so, wouldn't that make them less distinct than Romulans?
Will TOS captains have factional variations of gear/ships, such as their own take on a Task Force Omega sets or separate "pack" ship variants (making later offerings 4-/12-packs!), or will the be limited to using ally (or even Fed-only) versions?
Will there be different dialog for a TOS captain than a Fed, unlike many missions for FedRoms (and a few where all factions including the KDF sound like Federation)?
Will entire later episodes/arcs involve interaction with the TOS leadership and their acquisition of a major technological resource? Mabye the time travel equivalent of a Dyson Sphere?
Making TOS close to the Romulans is pretty ambitious... but realistically I'm just going to assume that we're getting TOSFeds; that way I can be suitably impressed if AoY really does work out as something more (rather than less) than LoR as far as faction identity. I suspect those questions are the "connotations" referred to in the quote, as well as potential expectations of long-term support/expansion of factional assets.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
GEKO: "It is a new faction - we were coy about calling it a new faction in the press release - there was some marketing concerns about the connotations of it, but it's at least as much of a new faction as Romulans. It's just technically still Federation, right, it's just Federation from 2270 instead of 2409. It's a new faction, a new starting experience with its own arc, its own content specifically for them."Source: http://priorityonepodcast.com/po269/
(at around the 24 minute mark)
"At least as much of a new faction as Romulans" has some holes in it, though. How exactly are they going to make TOS captains something more that mere TOSFeds?
Will TOS captains remain independent, or will they have an ally? If they are an ally-/mini-faction, would we even have a choice of ally like the Romulans?
Will TOS captains have access to Fed ships, and will Feds have access to TOS ships? If so, wouldn't that make them less distinct than Romulans?
Will TOS captains have factional variations of gear/ships, such as their own take on a Task Force Omega sets or separate "pack" ship variants (making later offerings 4-/12-packs!), or will the be limited to using ally (or even Fed-only) versions?
Will there be different dialog for a TOS captain than a Fed, unlike many missions for FedRoms (and a few where all factions including the KDF sound like Federation)?
Will entire later episodes/arcs involve interaction with the TOS leadership and their acquisition of a major technological resource? Mabye the time travel equivalent of a Dyson Sphere?
Making TOS close to the Romulans is pretty ambitious... but realistically I'm just going to assume that we're getting TOSFeds; that way I can be suitably impressed if AoY really does work out as something more (rather than less) than LoR as far as faction identity. I suspect those questions are the "connotations" referred to in the quote, as well as potential expectations of long-term support/expansion of factional assets.
Has been answered many times already, no you ally with 2409 Federation, no choices
Has been answered many times already, TOS get access to all the toys once they hit the "present", and Fed players get anything from the Z-store thats labelled fed, including the TOS stuff.
Roms dont even get that :P
Please they cant even be bothered to do that for the existing ones
I know I was fully aware our TOS character would eventually merge with current time line. Almost every mission in the current game is from the 2409-2410 time. I was just hoping for more TOS missions as I really wanted to create a TOS character to enjoy that time period. I am hoping some of the cross faction missions take us back to the TOS time period but I am not holding my breath. The way it looks KDF or Rom only players may not have a lot to worry about believing this is a fed only release as this only appears to be an alternate starting point for a regular Fed character. These new characters will quicky be thrown into the same grind as any other fed character. I have lots of time still to see if I want to invest in this Temporal Agent packs. Is the new free content worth this required paid content to fill in the lack of free TOS ships as we level from 10 to 40. Which is free for all other factions. Lets hope good news is still a head.
GEKO: "It is a new faction - we were coy about calling it a new faction in the press release - there was some marketing concerns about the connotations of it, but it's at least as much of a new faction as Romulans. It's just technically still Federation, right, it's just Federation from 2270 instead of 2409. It's a new faction, a new starting experience with its own arc, its own content specifically for them."Source: http://priorityonepodcast.com/po269/
(at around the 24 minute mark)
"At least as much of a new faction as Romulans" has some holes in it, though. How exactly are they going to make TOS captains something more that mere TOSFeds?
Will TOS captains remain independent, or will they have an ally? If they are an ally-/mini-faction, would we even have a choice of ally like the Romulans?
Will TOS captains have access to Fed ships, and will Feds have access to TOS ships? If so, wouldn't that make them less distinct than Romulans?
Will TOS captains have factional variations of gear/ships, such as their own take on a Task Force Omega sets or separate "pack" ship variants (making later offerings 4-/12-packs!), or will the be limited to using ally (or even Fed-only) versions?
Will there be different dialog for a TOS captain than a Fed, unlike many missions for FedRoms (and a few where all factions including the KDF sound like Federation)?
Will entire later episodes/arcs involve interaction with the TOS leadership and their acquisition of a major technological resource? Mabye the time travel equivalent of a Dyson Sphere?
Making TOS close to the Romulans is pretty ambitious... but realistically I'm just going to assume that we're getting TOSFeds; that way I can be suitably impressed if AoY really does work out as something more (rather than less) than LoR as far as faction identity. I suspect those questions are the "connotations" referred to in the quote, as well as potential expectations of long-term support/expansion of factional assets.
Has been answered many times already, no you ally with 2409 Federation, no choices
Has been answered many times already, TOS get access to all the toys once they hit the "present", and Fed players get anything from the Z-store thats labelled fed, including the TOS stuff.
Roms dont even get that :P
Please they cant even be bothered to do that for the existing ones
weird but interesting question
Heh, sort of my point. We pretty much know the answers to those questions (other than the last, which is pretty much up to the writing staff and the direction the overall story takes), so it seems as if that particular quote should be removed to improve the "truthiness" of the OP. TOSFeds are to Fed as bacon is to pork.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
I think it was Geko that screwed the pooch here. i was fine with an "expansion" IE several new episodes. then it became a "faction" and i shook my head. how can a federation toon be of another faction than FEDERATION??
I think we are all better off just understanding this is an expansion, not much different than DR, and simply has a alternate start for the new toons. the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
It's free content. Not sure what's up with the uproar. If people are pissed because they bought a pack, it's on them for jumping the gun without solid information. If I remember correctly, LoR wasn't all on Tribble.
It's free content. Not sure what's up with the uproar. If people are pissed because they bought a pack, it's on them for jumping the gun without solid information. If I remember correctly, LoR wasn't all on Tribble.
The uproar is Geko called the TOS Starfleet as much of a new faction as Romulans. So that means about 30 missions and 15 ships dedicated just for the TOS Starfleet. There might be 30 missions for the expansion, but likely the majority of them will be cross-faction missions instead of TOS Starfleet missions.
Having a 1-10 or 1-20 leveling system for new micro-factions would be an interesting way to add the Cardassians and other popular groups that Cryptic doesn't have time to give the same treatment as the Romulans. Personally, I would love to be able to fly a Borg Cooperative Sphere and having 6 missions and a few ships would be a cheaper alternative.
not allowed to be in here. This thread originally was meant to be about information, and while some joking took over and other jokes were interpreted as serious nerdrage, it returned to that.
If you want to keep on the uproar, make another AoY-rage-thread #Idontknowhowmanytherewere. Thanks
Also, if I happen to decide to level to 50 without playing the Battle Of Caleb IV (through mission replays, possibly TOS-exclusive queues or battle zones), will I have access to all those vessels? Right now, the 23rd century ESD only offers tier 1 ships (which makes sense, as their technology hasn't advanced father than that anyway).
Likely youll be kinda boned like Romulans who refused to choose a side and levelled to 50, tho at least the Flotilla had a more complete selection of services/ships
Whatever missions they have planned I'll take it. Once you hit 60 theres hardly anything to do anymore unless you like doing same stfs for worthless rewards over and over and over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER ARRRGHHHH
I can't help but think what a huge success this could have been. What's the point of giving us this cool thing then taking it away in an hours time??
I predict there will be no 23rd century faction hub. And no further faction specific missions.
Come on guys prove me wrong. Scramble like mad to make this right. Insert some missions where ONLY the AOY are contacted by Daniels and sent on special missions throughout the entirety of the storyline. Even if it's only 2 or 3 I'll take it.
And give a secret temporally shifted base - not so different from what the Krenim had. It can be done in 7 weeks.
But I don't think either of these things will happen. If we look to the philosophy/story justifications, these agents are supposed to blend in to the 25th century. That's your clue and whitewash for the whole affair.
Why do the other lower tier ships exist in the pack? So you can buy it and experience using them (for about an hour or so each). That is your TOS experience. Enjoy.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Why should they "blend in" in the 25th? By 2410, the lid is kind of blown off all the temporal shenanigans - heck, part of what sparks the new Alliance is the fact that Feds, Klinks, and Roms all have to work together to go backtime 200,000 years to try to stop the Iconians. It's pretty well known, at least among Starfleet, KDF, and the Republic Navy, that time travel is a thing. A 23rd-century captain might want to avoid public notice in order to not spend several days at a time being interrogated by historians, but it's apparently not required even by the story that they "blend in" - you're given the option, but all you have to do is visit the tailor, not change anything. (I plan on giving my TOS toon some cool civvies, but keeping him and his crew in their comfortable old uniforms.)
Whatever missions they have planned I'll take it. Once you hit 60 theres hardly anything to do anymore unless you like doing same stfs for worthless rewards over and over and over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER ARRRGHHHH
It's an MMO. That's how ALL of them work. Even the gold standard of WoW has you doing the same thing over and over so you can get the gear you need to compete better in the things you are already doing.
There will never be enough missions to keep people happy. Even if they added 100 in AoY, in 3 months you will be done and back to the same old complaints.
yeah, I have no need for duty officers. Just want some unique ambiance if I'm going to roll out a 7th main character.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
This is what I want to know.
Why do we need these vessels? Particularly if the number of TOS-era missions available are far fewer than the mainstream missions and/or not available at the level ranges where those ships would be appropriate to fly?
The only reason I can think of is so your T6 temporal ships which are the upstream versions can have era-appropriate skins when you do fly a temporal mission. But why would we need actual ships and not simply variant skins?
At the moment, the only temporal ship I feel I need to have is the cross-faction 31st century multi-mission temporal science vessel. I might consider the cross-faction raider. But the whole bundle is a no-sale unless I've got a compelling reason to believe that there's an excellent chance I'll want to (and be able to) fly those ships with a TOS character.
At the moment, I am assured that there is zero chance that I will ever want or need to fly the T3-T5 TOS ships. So why did the ship designers "waste" their time on them? It doesn't make sense, yet.
I can't help but think what a huge success this could have been. What's the point of giving us this cool thing then taking it away in an hours time??
I predict there will be no 23rd century faction hub. And no further faction specific missions.
Come on guys prove me wrong. Scramble like mad to make this right. Insert some missions where ONLY the AOY are contacted by Daniels and sent on special missions throughout the entirety of the storyline. Even if it's only 2 or 3 I'll take it.
And give a secret temporally shifted base - not so different from what the Krenim had. It can be done in 7 weeks.
But I don't think either of these things will happen. If we look to the philosophy/story justifications, these agents are supposed to blend in to the 25th century. That's your clue and whitewash for the whole affair.
Why do the other lower tier ships exist in the pack? So you can buy it and experience using them (for about an hour or so each). That is your TOS experience. Enjoy.
Why? What is the benefit to Cryptic of that? As it is of the 3 "Factions" in game right now there's one actually well-supported well-populated faction, one redheaded stepchild faction, and then a half-faction that just tags along with one of the other two during the majority of the content.
Why would they wast the time and effort to fully flesh out a new separate faction that, by design, is just an adjunct of an existing one anyway?
And really even as a story question, why would they do that? The 'modern' Federation is perfectly well aware of and involved with the ongoing temporal shenanigans, why would 23rd Century Feds be specifically sought out over 25th century?
The lower tier ships are only going to be experienced for about an hour anyway, regardless of what "faction", and to my understanding their skins are going to be available on the upper tier versions anyway, so I'm not really sure what this complaint even is.
Actually, Daniels specifically tells you to blend in, gives you a fake identity, and everything.
Who the hell listens to Daniels? He managed to get his own timeline destroyed for a while, because he couldn't stop fangirling over Archer of all people.
what you're really jonesing for is a second hub-so that your TOS guy can double-dip Duty officre recruitment like a Romulan toon can.[...]
Nope. That doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I guess this will also be true for most players who ask for a TOS social zone.
Romulans have to a choose a secondary faction though, so them having a hub makes sense in that it allows them to still have a social area even if they're on different 'sides' as far as the other factions go.
There's nothing on Tribble or from the Devs that I'm aware of that says TOS characters can choose to align with the Klingons or the Romulans, so why do they need a hub? All TOS characters will have access to ESD.
the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
This is what I want to know.
Why do we need these vessels? Particularly if the number of TOS-era missions available are far fewer than the mainstream missions and/or not available at the level ranges where those ships would be appropriate to fly?
The only reason I can think of is so your T6 temporal ships which are the upstream versions can have era-appropriate skins when you do fly a temporal mission. But why would we need actual ships and not simply variant skins?
At the moment, the only temporal ship I feel I need to have is the cross-faction 31st century multi-mission temporal science vessel. I might consider the cross-faction raider. But the whole bundle is a no-sale unless I've got a compelling reason to believe that there's an excellent chance I'll want to (and be able to) fly those ships with a TOS character.
At the moment, I am assured that there is zero chance that I will ever want or need to fly the T3-T5 TOS ships. So why did the ship designers "waste" their time on them? It doesn't make sense, yet.
Why did they make Tholian ships? Or Xindi? Or Undine? Etc, etc, etc.
Because people will buy them, and people buying them makes money to pay for the game.
I can't help but think what a huge success this could have been. What's the point of giving us this cool thing then taking it away in an hours time??
I predict there will be no 23rd century faction hub. And no further faction specific missions.
Come on guys prove me wrong. Scramble like mad to make this right. Insert some missions where ONLY the AOY are contacted by Daniels and sent on special missions throughout the entirety of the storyline. Even if it's only 2 or 3 I'll take it.
And give a secret temporally shifted base - not so different from what the Krenim had. It can be done in 7 weeks.
But I don't think either of these things will happen. If we look to the philosophy/story justifications, these agents are supposed to blend in to the 25th century. That's your clue and whitewash for the whole affair.
Why do the other lower tier ships exist in the pack? So you can buy it and experience using them (for about an hour or so each). That is your TOS experience. Enjoy.
Why? What is the benefit to Cryptic of that? As it is of the 3 "Factions" in game right now there's one actually well-supported well-populated faction, one redheaded stepchild faction, and then a half-faction that just tags along with one of the other two during the majority of the content.
Why would they wast the time and effort to fully flesh out a new separate faction that, by design, is just an adjunct of an existing one anyway?
And really even as a story question, why would they do that? The 'modern' Federation is perfectly well aware of and involved with the ongoing temporal shenanigans, why would 23rd Century Feds be specifically sought out over 25th century?
The lower tier ships are only going to be experienced for about an hour anyway, regardless of what "faction", and to my understanding their skins are going to be available on the upper tier versions anyway, so I'm not really sure what this complaint even is.
The benefit to Cryptic? It's a complex question. One would assume the whole point to AOY is to appeal to TOS fans and exploit/celebrate their nostalgia. I'm not a huge TOS fan or anything, though I appreciate every series. But if I'm going to get involved with a whole TOS thing I want a full experience, and I'm sure serious TOS fans would want even more.
I suggested earlier that this AOY is not really for us and I still believe that. It's for new customers who won't give a damn if they move right to ESD after an hour's play.
My answer to the question is because creating a unique hub and experience for the AOY characters gives value. In order for Cryptic to get our money they have to provide us with perceived value. Without that this expansion will see much more derision than DR ever dreamed of receiving.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
This is what I want to know.
Why do we need these vessels? Particularly if the number of TOS-era missions available are far fewer than the mainstream missions and/or not available at the level ranges where those ships would be appropriate to fly?
The only reason I can think of is so your T6 temporal ships which are the upstream versions can have era-appropriate skins when you do fly a temporal mission. But why would we need actual ships and not simply variant skins?
At the moment, the only temporal ship I feel I need to have is the cross-faction 31st century multi-mission temporal science vessel. I might consider the cross-faction raider. But the whole bundle is a no-sale unless I've got a compelling reason to believe that there's an excellent chance I'll want to (and be able to) fly those ships with a TOS character.
At the moment, I am assured that there is zero chance that I will ever want or need to fly the T3-T5 TOS ships. So why did the ship designers "waste" their time on them? It doesn't make sense, yet.
Why did they make Tholian ships? Or Xindi? Or Undine? Etc, etc, etc.
Because people will buy them, and people buying them makes money to pay for the game.
But the ships you mention were all considered "endgame" ships when they were released. Every other C-Store ship T5 and below was actually appropriate to fly at some level of your captain's career, even if only for a very brief time. These ships will never need be flown by a TOS character who's leveling up with 2409 content, by players who probably already have a large number of C-Store ships available to fly instead.
I'll wait for the stats and the explanations to come before I make any monetary decisions. If the marketers are counting on lots of naive people to buy the bundles sight unseen, they should be aware there are a lot fewer of us that fall into that category than there used to be. And in that light, the decision to devote dev resources to make these ships still doesn't make any sense yet and makes less sense than when the bundles were first announced.
I'll wait for the stats and the explanations to come before I make any monetary decisions. If the marketers are counting on lots of naive people to buy the bundles sight unseen, they should be aware there are a lot fewer of us that fall into that category than there used to be. And in that light, the decision to devote dev resources to make these ships still doesn't make any sense yet and makes less sense than when the bundles were first announced.
Unless players happen to like the skins, or the designs, or the conoles. I mean, why are there any C-Store ships below Vice Admiral? You get perfectly serviceable free ones at every rank before that.
the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
This is what I want to know.
Why do we need these vessels? Particularly if the number of TOS-era missions available are far fewer than the mainstream missions and/or not available at the level ranges where those ships would be appropriate to fly?
The only reason I can think of is so your T6 temporal ships which are the upstream versions can have era-appropriate skins when you do fly a temporal mission. But why would we need actual ships and not simply variant skins?
At the moment, the only temporal ship I feel I need to have is the cross-faction 31st century multi-mission temporal science vessel. I might consider the cross-faction raider. But the whole bundle is a no-sale unless I've got a compelling reason to believe that there's an excellent chance I'll want to (and be able to) fly those ships with a TOS character.
At the moment, I am assured that there is zero chance that I will ever want or need to fly the T3-T5 TOS ships. So why did the ship designers "waste" their time on them? It doesn't make sense, yet.
Why did they make Tholian ships? Or Xindi? Or Undine? Etc, etc, etc.
Because people will buy them, and people buying them makes money to pay for the game.
But the ships you mention were all considered "endgame" ships when they were released. Every other C-Store ship T5 and below was actually appropriate to fly at some level of your captain's career, even if only for a very brief time. These ships will never need be flown by a TOS character who's leveling up with 2409 content, by players who probably already have a large number of C-Store ships available to fly instead.
I'll wait for the stats and the explanations to come before I make any monetary decisions. If the marketers are counting on lots of naive people to buy the bundles sight unseen, they should be aware there are a lot fewer of us that fall into that category than there used to be. And in that light, the decision to devote dev resources to make these ships still doesn't make any sense yet and makes less sense than when the bundles were first announced.
You are thinking too hard. They did it because players that want endgame TOS ships will need to buy two ships, and hence spend more money. Geko has already said that all Fed and TOS ships will be available across all 2270 and 2409 toons, so they certainly didn't NEED more leveling ships. What these are is essentially skins and consoles to use on your T6 Temporal Ops ships.
what you're really jonesing for is a second hub-so that your TOS guy can double-dip Duty officre recruitment like a Romulan toon can.[...]
Nope. That doesn't interest me in the slightest, and I guess this will also be true for most players who ask for a TOS social zone.
I really wish they'd flat out remove that ability so that lame TRIBBLE excuse/reasoning can go with it. I don't know a single Romulan player that WANTS it and most of the ones I know don't use it because they want ROMULAN(and Reman) DOFF not andorian and pakled
the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
This is what I want to know.
Why do we need these vessels? Particularly if the number of TOS-era missions available are far fewer than the mainstream missions and/or not available at the level ranges where those ships would be appropriate to fly?
The only reason I can think of is so your T6 temporal ships which are the upstream versions can have era-appropriate skins when you do fly a temporal mission. But why would we need actual ships and not simply variant skins?
At the moment, the only temporal ship I feel I need to have is the cross-faction 31st century multi-mission temporal science vessel. I might consider the cross-faction raider. But the whole bundle is a no-sale unless I've got a compelling reason to believe that there's an excellent chance I'll want to (and be able to) fly those ships with a TOS character.
At the moment, I am assured that there is zero chance that I will ever want or need to fly the T3-T5 TOS ships. So why did the ship designers "waste" their time on them? It doesn't make sense, yet.
Why did they make Tholian ships? Or Xindi? Or Undine? Etc, etc, etc.
Because people will buy them, and people buying them makes money to pay for the game.
But the ships you mention were all considered "endgame" ships when they were released. Every other C-Store ship T5 and below was actually appropriate to fly at some level of your captain's career, even if only for a very brief time. These ships will never need be flown by a TOS character who's leveling up with 2409 content, by players who probably already have a large number of C-Store ships available to fly instead.
I'll wait for the stats and the explanations to come before I make any monetary decisions. If the marketers are counting on lots of naive people to buy the bundles sight unseen, they should be aware there are a lot fewer of us that fall into that category than there used to be. And in that light, the decision to devote dev resources to make these ships still doesn't make any sense yet and makes less sense than when the bundles were first announced.
You are thinking too hard. They did it because players that want endgame TOS ships will need to buy two ships, and hence spend more money. Geko has already said that all Fed and TOS ships will be available across all 2270 and 2409 toons, so they certainly didn't NEED more leveling ships. What these are is essentially skins and consoles to use on your T6 Temporal Ops ships.
the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
This is what I want to know.
Why do we need these vessels? Particularly if the number of TOS-era missions available are far fewer than the mainstream missions and/or not available at the level ranges where those ships would be appropriate to fly?
The only reason I can think of is so your T6 temporal ships which are the upstream versions can have era-appropriate skins when you do fly a temporal mission. But why would we need actual ships and not simply variant skins?
At the moment, the only temporal ship I feel I need to have is the cross-faction 31st century multi-mission temporal science vessel. I might consider the cross-faction raider. But the whole bundle is a no-sale unless I've got a compelling reason to believe that there's an excellent chance I'll want to (and be able to) fly those ships with a TOS character.
At the moment, I am assured that there is zero chance that I will ever want or need to fly the T3-T5 TOS ships. So why did the ship designers "waste" their time on them? It doesn't make sense, yet.
Why did they make Tholian ships? Or Xindi? Or Undine? Etc, etc, etc.
Because people will buy them, and people buying them makes money to pay for the game.
But the ships you mention were all considered "endgame" ships when they were released. Every other C-Store ship T5 and below was actually appropriate to fly at some level of your captain's career, even if only for a very brief time. These ships will never need be flown by a TOS character who's leveling up with 2409 content, by players who probably already have a large number of C-Store ships available to fly instead.
I'll wait for the stats and the explanations to come before I make any monetary decisions. If the marketers are counting on lots of naive people to buy the bundles sight unseen, they should be aware there are a lot fewer of us that fall into that category than there used to be. And in that light, the decision to devote dev resources to make these ships still doesn't make any sense yet and makes less sense than when the bundles were first announced.
You are thinking too hard. They did it because players that want endgame TOS ships will need to buy two ships, and hence spend more money. Geko has already said that all Fed and TOS ships will be available across all 2270 and 2409 toons, so they certainly didn't NEED more leveling ships. What these are is essentially skins and consoles to use on your T6 Temporal Ops ships.
Maybe people aren't thinking hard enough.
Naah. Geko was pretty clear in the P1 interview. After the initial 6 episodes, all the other new content is shared across all factions. The only differences between factions will be in dialog and perhaps the order you do them in. All the ships in the new expansion are usable by the Feds and TOS, and the Ouruboros and Eternity are usable by all factions (probably along with the new ship(s) that haven't been announced yet). There isn't much left for debate here anymore after that interview, this is what the expansion will be.
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"At least as much of a new faction as Romulans" has some holes in it, though. How exactly are they going to make TOS captains something more that mere TOSFeds?
- Will TOS captains remain independent, or will they have an ally? If they are an ally-/mini-faction, would we even have a choice of ally like the Romulans?
- Will TOS captains have access to Fed ships, and will Feds have access to TOS ships? If so, wouldn't that make them less distinct than Romulans?
- Will TOS captains have factional variations of gear/ships, such as their own take on a Task Force Omega sets or separate "pack" ship variants (making later offerings 4-/12-packs!), or will the be limited to using ally (or even Fed-only) versions?
- Will there be different dialog for a TOS captain than a Fed, unlike many missions for FedRoms (and a few where all factions including the KDF sound like Federation)?
- Will entire later episodes/arcs involve interaction with the TOS leadership and their acquisition of a major technological resource? Mabye the time travel equivalent of a Dyson Sphere?
Making TOS close to the Romulans is pretty ambitious... but realistically I'm just going to assume that we're getting TOSFeds; that way I can be suitably impressed if AoY really does work out as something more (rather than less) than LoR as far as faction identity. I suspect those questions are the "connotations" referred to in the quote, as well as potential expectations of long-term support/expansion of factional assets.Heh, sort of my point. We pretty much know the answers to those questions (other than the last, which is pretty much up to the writing staff and the direction the overall story takes), so it seems as if that particular quote should be removed to improve the "truthiness" of the OP. TOSFeds are to Fed as bacon is to pork.
Where's Gilligan?
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I think we are all better off just understanding this is an expansion, not much different than DR, and simply has a alternate start for the new toons. the thing i have not figured out, is with only 6 TOS specific episodes, where do these guys come into play?
T2 Temporal Science Vessel Daedalus Class
A starship design from the early years of Starfleet, the Daedalus-class Science Vessel still serves with distinction.
T3 Temporal Escort Perseus Class
A versatile escort from the 23rd century,
T4 Temporal Cruiser Gemini Class
Known for a distinctive set of four warp nacelles, the Gemini-class Temporal Cruiser inspired future starship engineers when designing the Constellation-class Cruiser.
T5 Temporal Battlecruiser Ranger Class
The agile Ranger-class was one of the most respected battlecruisers of the 23rd century.
*If* its a 6 mission "faction" then he didn't TRIBBLE it so much as sodomize it to an unrecognizable state
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really? screwed is fine but sc rew is censored??
The uproar is Geko called the TOS Starfleet as much of a new faction as Romulans. So that means about 30 missions and 15 ships dedicated just for the TOS Starfleet. There might be 30 missions for the expansion, but likely the majority of them will be cross-faction missions instead of TOS Starfleet missions.
Having a 1-10 or 1-20 leveling system for new micro-factions would be an interesting way to add the Cardassians and other popular groups that Cryptic doesn't have time to give the same treatment as the Romulans. Personally, I would love to be able to fly a Borg Cooperative Sphere and having 6 missions and a few ships would be a cheaper alternative.
not allowed to be in here. This thread originally was meant to be about information, and while some joking took over and other jokes were interpreted as serious nerdrage, it returned to that.
If you want to keep on the uproar, make another AoY-rage-thread #Idontknowhowmanytherewere. Thanks
Likely youll be kinda boned like Romulans who refused to choose a side and levelled to 50, tho at least the Flotilla had a more complete selection of services/ships
I predict there will be no 23rd century faction hub. And no further faction specific missions.
Come on guys prove me wrong. Scramble like mad to make this right. Insert some missions where ONLY the AOY are contacted by Daniels and sent on special missions throughout the entirety of the storyline. Even if it's only 2 or 3 I'll take it.
And give a secret temporally shifted base - not so different from what the Krenim had. It can be done in 7 weeks.
But I don't think either of these things will happen. If we look to the philosophy/story justifications, these agents are supposed to blend in to the 25th century. That's your clue and whitewash for the whole affair.
Why do the other lower tier ships exist in the pack? So you can buy it and experience using them (for about an hour or so each). That is your TOS experience. Enjoy.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
It's an MMO. That's how ALL of them work. Even the gold standard of WoW has you doing the same thing over and over so you can get the gear you need to compete better in the things you are already doing.
There will never be enough missions to keep people happy. Even if they added 100 in AoY, in 3 months you will be done and back to the same old complaints.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
This is what I want to know.
Why do we need these vessels? Particularly if the number of TOS-era missions available are far fewer than the mainstream missions and/or not available at the level ranges where those ships would be appropriate to fly?
The only reason I can think of is so your T6 temporal ships which are the upstream versions can have era-appropriate skins when you do fly a temporal mission. But why would we need actual ships and not simply variant skins?
At the moment, the only temporal ship I feel I need to have is the cross-faction 31st century multi-mission temporal science vessel. I might consider the cross-faction raider. But the whole bundle is a no-sale unless I've got a compelling reason to believe that there's an excellent chance I'll want to (and be able to) fly those ships with a TOS character.
At the moment, I am assured that there is zero chance that I will ever want or need to fly the T3-T5 TOS ships. So why did the ship designers "waste" their time on them? It doesn't make sense, yet.
I have the same questionning
a question, if the low tier tos ship skins are useable by the T6 ships, we will see TOS ships in the current stfs?
Why? What is the benefit to Cryptic of that? As it is of the 3 "Factions" in game right now there's one actually well-supported well-populated faction, one redheaded stepchild faction, and then a half-faction that just tags along with one of the other two during the majority of the content.
Why would they wast the time and effort to fully flesh out a new separate faction that, by design, is just an adjunct of an existing one anyway?
And really even as a story question, why would they do that? The 'modern' Federation is perfectly well aware of and involved with the ongoing temporal shenanigans, why would 23rd Century Feds be specifically sought out over 25th century?
The lower tier ships are only going to be experienced for about an hour anyway, regardless of what "faction", and to my understanding their skins are going to be available on the upper tier versions anyway, so I'm not really sure what this complaint even is.
Romulans have to a choose a secondary faction though, so them having a hub makes sense in that it allows them to still have a social area even if they're on different 'sides' as far as the other factions go.
There's nothing on Tribble or from the Devs that I'm aware of that says TOS characters can choose to align with the Klingons or the Romulans, so why do they need a hub? All TOS characters will have access to ESD.
Why did they make Tholian ships? Or Xindi? Or Undine? Etc, etc, etc.
Because people will buy them, and people buying them makes money to pay for the game.
Yes. Probably a lot of them based on what I've seen of them.
The benefit to Cryptic? It's a complex question. One would assume the whole point to AOY is to appeal to TOS fans and exploit/celebrate their nostalgia. I'm not a huge TOS fan or anything, though I appreciate every series. But if I'm going to get involved with a whole TOS thing I want a full experience, and I'm sure serious TOS fans would want even more.
I suggested earlier that this AOY is not really for us and I still believe that. It's for new customers who won't give a damn if they move right to ESD after an hour's play.
My answer to the question is because creating a unique hub and experience for the AOY characters gives value. In order for Cryptic to get our money they have to provide us with perceived value. Without that this expansion will see much more derision than DR ever dreamed of receiving.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
But the ships you mention were all considered "endgame" ships when they were released. Every other C-Store ship T5 and below was actually appropriate to fly at some level of your captain's career, even if only for a very brief time. These ships will never need be flown by a TOS character who's leveling up with 2409 content, by players who probably already have a large number of C-Store ships available to fly instead.
I'll wait for the stats and the explanations to come before I make any monetary decisions. If the marketers are counting on lots of naive people to buy the bundles sight unseen, they should be aware there are a lot fewer of us that fall into that category than there used to be. And in that light, the decision to devote dev resources to make these ships still doesn't make any sense yet and makes less sense than when the bundles were first announced.
Unless players happen to like the skins, or the designs, or the conoles. I mean, why are there any C-Store ships below Vice Admiral? You get perfectly serviceable free ones at every rank before that.
You are thinking too hard. They did it because players that want endgame TOS ships will need to buy two ships, and hence spend more money. Geko has already said that all Fed and TOS ships will be available across all 2270 and 2409 toons, so they certainly didn't NEED more leveling ships. What these are is essentially skins and consoles to use on your T6 Temporal Ops ships.
I really wish they'd flat out remove that ability so that lame TRIBBLE excuse/reasoning can go with it. I don't know a single Romulan player that WANTS it and most of the ones I know don't use it because they want ROMULAN(and Reman) DOFF not andorian and pakled
Maybe people aren't thinking hard enough.
Naah. Geko was pretty clear in the P1 interview. After the initial 6 episodes, all the other new content is shared across all factions. The only differences between factions will be in dialog and perhaps the order you do them in. All the ships in the new expansion are usable by the Feds and TOS, and the Ouruboros and Eternity are usable by all factions (probably along with the new ship(s) that haven't been announced yet). There isn't much left for debate here anymore after that interview, this is what the expansion will be.