After Spending $500.00 to open boxes no ship same stuff over and over, Will never open another lock box, for there is nothing in game worth 500. life time membership does not even cost that much. Is it like the lottery 1in 100 mill win?
That would be Subsection 2, Paragraph 1 of the Starfleet Uniform Code that gives Captains and Senior Officers more liberty in regards to uniform variations (which is odd, really, when you consider Kirk's wraparound, Picard's undershirt and jacket combo, it would seem like the idea's been around longer than it really has)
Actually, Starfleet being standardized to the Odyssey-pattern uniform is still fairly new (2410, technically), before that they were a near-eyewatering mixture of Sierra-, Antares- and Jupiter-pattern uniforms with no rhyme or reason to who wore what.
Out-of-Game, it was only 2014 and Season 9 when the uniforms were standardized; http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/6003273
Though I will say that though a mix of refugee outfits and Republic uniforms is one thing, I still find it a little odd how many Republic NPCs (especially on New Romulus, which was never really updated post-LoR except to add Spock's statue) are still wearing Star Empire uniforms...
That would be Subsection 2, Paragraph 1 of the Starfleet Uniform Code that gives Captains and Senior Officers more liberty in regards to uniform variations (which is odd, really, when you consider Kirk's wraparound, Picard's undershirt and jacket combo, it would seem like the idea's been around longer than it really has)
Actually, Starfleet being standardized to the Odyssey-pattern uniform is still fairly new (2410, technically), before that they were a near-eyewatering mixture of Sierra-, Antares- and Jupiter-pattern uniforms with no rhyme or reason to who wore what.
Out-of-Game, it was only 2014 and Season 9 when the uniforms were standardized; http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/6003273
Though I will say that though a mix of refugee outfits and Republic uniforms is one thing, I still find it a little odd how many Republic NPCs (especially on New Romulus, which was never really updated post-LoR except to add Spock's statue) are still wearing Star Empire uniforms...
Don't some of the players wear those too?
Players wear weird things. I've come to accept that as an immutable fact, an eternal truth, and mentally close my eyes and pretend they're not there... same reason I keep the chat window closed when in social hubs, really.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Players wear weird things. I've come to accept that as an immutable fact, an eternal truth, and mentally close my eyes and pretend they're not there... same reason I keep the chat window closed when in social hubs, really.
I tend to be on the modern conservative side when it comes to uniforms, at least for Starfleet. When the Devs standardized on the Odyssey uniform for Starfleet, I put some of my characters in a mildly tailored version of that. Others tend to wear variants of the Sierra or Antares uniforms. I don't put them in TOS outfits unless I'm playing a time travel mission and the mood takes me. I try to make them look Starfleet.
My other non-Starfleet characters could end up in anything at all, but I do like to keep to Republic style or RR-Faction uniforms for my Romulan and I'm gravitating toward the Bortas'qu uniforms for KDF.
But yeah, sometimes I try not to think too hard about what other characters around me are wearing... it can be pretty interesting at times.
I have a more general question.
From a in universe point of view, are all those special uniforms (like dyson, Na’kuhl, etc.) part of KDF/Starfleet/Republic official uniform code or just for people roleplaying civillians/unaligned characters?
Because in "real" Trek i can't remember any Starfleet personell wearing anything else than uniform on a regular basis (on duty). So what's the (in universe) point of all those uniforms, since we're all supposed to be part of either Starfleet, Klingon Defence force or Romulan Republic Navy?
(a similar question could be asked about all the Cross-Faction Ships in STO, of course)
Don't get me wrong, that's no criticism, i just fail to see the in universe context.
I can't remember where or when I read it (other than the fact that it's been awhile), but apparently Starfleet updated their uniform regulations to allow captains more autonomy in choosing the uniforms for their crew. Sure, hanging out in Admiral Quinn's office in a Botany Bay shirt might be going a bit far, but I'm pretty sure a re-written uniform code was the original logic behind the variety of options under the Uniform designation.
The Klingon Defense Force, on the other hand, probably doesn't give a TRIBBLE as long as you can explain your choice of attire with sufficient force. With a variety of vassal-species and allies, I doubt that the Empire really cares what is worn by KDF captains other than on formal occasions (and if you survive the resulting challenges you'd have earned the right to wear what you darn well please even then). With a less homogeous society than the Federation, the Empire is probably more open to a variety of uniforms. Armored Klingons and Nausicaans, half-naked Gorn and Orions, Lethean mercenaries and Ferasan warriors... while the individual cultures are older, the Empire itself is fairly new, and there's not a lot of standardization within these cultures just yet.
On the Romulan side... well, we're talking about a relatively new militia force (even more recent than the Empire) made up of refugees, farmers, survivors of Tal Shiar oppression, and so on. While they've organized well and become a powerful member of the Alliance, I still don't see what is essentially a group of rebels being especially restrictive.
Makes sense for Klingon Defense Force and Romulan republic and to a certain extend even for Starfleet, but to wear the uniform of a enemy (like the Na'kuhl uniform) seems a bit too far for me.
Don't get me wrong here, other players may do what makes them happy, i don't care much.
I just fail to see a convincing in-universe explanation for myself to make my captains & crew wear something else than Standard uniform (no matter what i think about the looks of the standard uni). On the other hand if the player character where somehow more detached from Starfleet (story wise), like part of a sub division for special operations for example. Then i could see a justification for wearing somekind of fantasy Starfleet uniform for example.
Sure, i understand it's just a game and it would be boring if everyone would wear the same uniform, but to me it feels just strange to be part of Starfleet and not wearing the uniform everyone else (NPCs) does. This may sound silly but i always imagine Kirk or Picard wearing combat armor (or whatever other players Captains may wear) when on duty and how silly this would look.
In STO universe however there is a comparable mixed crew wearing all kinds of clothing, which is on Tom Paris ship. But even there, starfleet personnel wears uniform iirc.
Several years ago, before Cryptics devs introduced the Odyssey uniform, there where various Starfleet uniform variants to be seen (which was pretty chaotic imo). To be honest, it is much better now, but (for me) the question remains why do cryptics story writers expect a highly decorated starfleet officer (the players character) not wear Starfleet uniform?
As i said this is not criticism against other players or Cryptic itself, i just want to understand the reasoning behind all this.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I would say that the in-universe explanation is that your character gets to decide what he and his crew wear. it doesn't need to be a book-long explanation.
I have a more general question.
From a in universe point of view, are all those special uniforms (like dyson, Na’kuhl, etc.) part of KDF/Starfleet/Republic official uniform code or just for people roleplaying civillians/unaligned characters?
Because in "real" Trek i can't remember any Starfleet personell wearing anything else than uniform on a regular basis (on duty). So what's the (in universe) point of all those uniforms, since we're all supposed to be part of either Starfleet, Klingon Defence force or Romulan Republic Navy?
(a similar question could be asked about all the Cross-Faction Ships in STO, of course)
Don't get me wrong, that's no criticism, i just fail to see the in universe context.
I can't remember where or when I read it (other than the fact that it's been awhile), but apparently Starfleet updated their uniform regulations to allow captains more autonomy in choosing the uniforms for their crew. Sure, hanging out in Admiral Quinn's office in a Botany Bay shirt might be going a bit far, but I'm pretty sure a re-written uniform code was the original logic behind the variety of options under the Uniform designation.
The Klingon Defense Force, on the other hand, probably doesn't give a TRIBBLE as long as you can explain your choice of attire with sufficient force. With a variety of vassal-species and allies, I doubt that the Empire really cares what is worn by KDF captains other than on formal occasions (and if you survive the resulting challenges you'd have earned the right to wear what you darn well please even then). With a less homogeous society than the Federation, the Empire is probably more open to a variety of uniforms. Armored Klingons and Nausicaans, half-naked Gorn and Orions, Lethean mercenaries and Ferasan warriors... while the individual cultures are older, the Empire itself is fairly new, and there's not a lot of standardization within these cultures just yet.
On the Romulan side... well, we're talking about a relatively new militia force (even more recent than the Empire) made up of refugees, farmers, survivors of Tal Shiar oppression, and so on. While they've organized well and become a powerful member of the Alliance, I still don't see what is essentially a group of rebels being especially restrictive.
Makes sense for Klingon Defense Force and Romulan republic and to a certain extend even for Starfleet, but to wear the uniform of a enemy (like the Na'kuhl uniform) seems a bit too far for me.
Don't get me wrong here, other players may do what makes them happy, i don't care much.
I just fail to see a convincing in-universe explanation for myself to make my captains & crew wear something else than Standard uniform (no matter what i think about the looks of the standard uni). On the other hand if the player character where somehow more detached from Starfleet (story wise), like part of a sub division for special operations for example. Then i could see a justification for wearing somekind of fantasy Starfleet uniform for example.
Sure, i understand it's just a game and it would be boring if everyone would wear the same uniform, but to me it feels just strange to be part of Starfleet and not wearing the uniform everyone else (NPCs) does. This may sound silly but i always imagine Kirk or Picard wearing combat armor (or whatever other players Captains may wear) when on duty and how silly this would look.
In STO universe however there is a comparable mixed crew wearing all kinds of clothing, which is on Tom Paris ship. But even there, starfleet personnel wears uniform iirc.
Several years ago, before Cryptics devs introduced the Odyssey uniform, there where various Starfleet uniform variants to be seen (which was pretty chaotic imo). To be honest, it is much better now, but (for me) the question remains why do cryptics story writers expect a highly decorated starfleet officer (the players character) not wear Starfleet uniform?
As i said this is not criticism against other players or Cryptic itself, i just want to understand the reasoning behind all this.
One of my captains is a Mirror Universe defector who arrived in a stolen Paradox along with his reprogrammed Holo-Leeta ex-overseer. He wears the Enterprise-era MU uniform complete with dagger. Starfleet allows him to wear his uniform and use MU uniforms for his crew.
I have a more general question.
From a in universe point of view, are all those special uniforms (like dyson, Na’kuhl, etc.) part of KDF/Starfleet/Republic official uniform code or just for people roleplaying civillians/unaligned characters?
Because in "real" Trek i can't remember any Starfleet personell wearing anything else than uniform on a regular basis (on duty). So what's the (in universe) point of all those uniforms, since we're all supposed to be part of either Starfleet, Klingon Defence force or Romulan Republic Navy?
(a similar question could be asked about all the Cross-Faction Ships in STO, of course)
Don't get me wrong, that's no criticism, i just fail to see the in universe context.
I can't remember where or when I read it (other than the fact that it's been awhile), but apparently Starfleet updated their uniform regulations to allow captains more autonomy in choosing the uniforms for their crew. Sure, hanging out in Admiral Quinn's office in a Botany Bay shirt might be going a bit far, but I'm pretty sure a re-written uniform code was the original logic behind the variety of options under the Uniform designation.
The Klingon Defense Force, on the other hand, probably doesn't give a TRIBBLE as long as you can explain your choice of attire with sufficient force. With a variety of vassal-species and allies, I doubt that the Empire really cares what is worn by KDF captains other than on formal occasions (and if you survive the resulting challenges you'd have earned the right to wear what you darn well please even then). With a less homogeous society than the Federation, the Empire is probably more open to a variety of uniforms. Armored Klingons and Nausicaans, half-naked Gorn and Orions, Lethean mercenaries and Ferasan warriors... while the individual cultures are older, the Empire itself is fairly new, and there's not a lot of standardization within these cultures just yet.
On the Romulan side... well, we're talking about a relatively new militia force (even more recent than the Empire) made up of refugees, farmers, survivors of Tal Shiar oppression, and so on. While they've organized well and become a powerful member of the Alliance, I still don't see what is essentially a group of rebels being especially restrictive.
Makes sense for Klingon Defense Force and Romulan republic and to a certain extend even for Starfleet, but to wear the uniform of a enemy (like the Na'kuhl uniform) seems a bit too far for me.
Don't get me wrong here, other players may do what makes them happy, i don't care much.
I just fail to see a convincing in-universe explanation for myself to make my captains & crew wear something else than Standard uniform (no matter what i think about the looks of the standard uni). On the other hand if the player character where somehow more detached from Starfleet (story wise), like part of a sub division for special operations for example. Then i could see a justification for wearing somekind of fantasy Starfleet uniform for example.
Sure, i understand it's just a game and it would be boring if everyone would wear the same uniform, but to me it feels just strange to be part of Starfleet and not wearing the uniform everyone else (NPCs) does. This may sound silly but i always imagine Kirk or Picard wearing combat armor (or whatever other players Captains may wear) when on duty and how silly this would look.
In STO universe however there is a comparable mixed crew wearing all kinds of clothing, which is on Tom Paris ship. But even there, starfleet personnel wears uniform iirc.
Several years ago, before Cryptics devs introduced the Odyssey uniform, there where various Starfleet uniform variants to be seen (which was pretty chaotic imo). To be honest, it is much better now, but (for me) the question remains why do cryptics story writers expect a highly decorated starfleet officer (the players character) not wear Starfleet uniform?
As i said this is not criticism against other players or Cryptic itself, i just want to understand the reasoning behind all this.
One of my captains is a Mirror Universe defector who arrived in a stolen Paradox along with his reprogrammed Holo-Leeta ex-overseer. He wears the Enterprise-era MU uniform complete with dagger. Starfleet allows him to wear his uniform and use MU uniforms for his crew.
No offense against you and your head RP, but this wouldn't work for me TBH. Starfleet would never enlist a mirror universe officer, not even a defector. Not the Starfleet as described from Picard and even Kirks Starfleet. Maybe as civillian member of a crew, but putting him/her into command a full armed ship, that's too much of a strech.
Don't get me wrong i'm not criticising the way you play, but to me it doesn't look very plausible.
Sure Cryptics Starfleet has become bedraggled in it's values and has mutated into a 98% militarized organization, but still i can't imagine that even they would recruit random mercenaries unbound to the prime directive or any other of Starfleets code of values. Starfleet isn't SW rebel alliance.
TNGs Starfleet (2364-2370; you know the ones with those tedious ethics and evolved humanity, no one wants to hear about anymore) would rather try to remove the threat of a mirror renegade flying around in a highly armed battleship in Federation space. But STO handles things like there where groups of people in the US pretending to be police (or military) and the real police (or military) playing along and even enlistening them. (i know bad example)
As i said, STO doesn't make much sense to me.
Of course it's just a game, but every game worlds needs to have a certain set of rules in order to work and make sense. Otherwise we could be 5 year olds again playing in a sandbox and saying "my power action man figure is stronger than yours", "No mine", "No mine", "No mine".....
(Again don't get me wrong i'm not trying to say how other people have to play, it's just the way i see those things.)
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I have a more general question.
From a in universe point of view, are all those special uniforms (like dyson, Na’kuhl, etc.) part of KDF/Starfleet/Republic official uniform code or just for people roleplaying civillians/unaligned characters?
Because in "real" Trek i can't remember any Starfleet personell wearing anything else than uniform on a regular basis (on duty). So what's the (in universe) point of all those uniforms, since we're all supposed to be part of either Starfleet, Klingon Defence force or Romulan Republic Navy?
(a similar question could be asked about all the Cross-Faction Ships in STO, of course)
Don't get me wrong, that's no criticism, i just fail to see the in universe context.
I can't remember where or when I read it (other than the fact that it's been awhile), but apparently Starfleet updated their uniform regulations to allow captains more autonomy in choosing the uniforms for their crew. Sure, hanging out in Admiral Quinn's office in a Botany Bay shirt might be going a bit far, but I'm pretty sure a re-written uniform code was the original logic behind the variety of options under the Uniform designation.
The Klingon Defense Force, on the other hand, probably doesn't give a TRIBBLE as long as you can explain your choice of attire with sufficient force. With a variety of vassal-species and allies, I doubt that the Empire really cares what is worn by KDF captains other than on formal occasions (and if you survive the resulting challenges you'd have earned the right to wear what you darn well please even then). With a less homogeous society than the Federation, the Empire is probably more open to a variety of uniforms. Armored Klingons and Nausicaans, half-naked Gorn and Orions, Lethean mercenaries and Ferasan warriors... while the individual cultures are older, the Empire itself is fairly new, and there's not a lot of standardization within these cultures just yet.
On the Romulan side... well, we're talking about a relatively new militia force (even more recent than the Empire) made up of refugees, farmers, survivors of Tal Shiar oppression, and so on. While they've organized well and become a powerful member of the Alliance, I still don't see what is essentially a group of rebels being especially restrictive.
Makes sense for Klingon Defense Force and Romulan republic and to a certain extend even for Starfleet, but to wear the uniform of a enemy (like the Na'kuhl uniform) seems a bit too far for me.
Don't get me wrong here, other players may do what makes them happy, i don't care much.
I just fail to see a convincing in-universe explanation for myself to make my captains & crew wear something else than Standard uniform (no matter what i think about the looks of the standard uni). On the other hand if the player character where somehow more detached from Starfleet (story wise), like part of a sub division for special operations for example. Then i could see a justification for wearing somekind of fantasy Starfleet uniform for example.
Sure, i understand it's just a game and it would be boring if everyone would wear the same uniform, but to me it feels just strange to be part of Starfleet and not wearing the uniform everyone else (NPCs) does. This may sound silly but i always imagine Kirk or Picard wearing combat armor (or whatever other players Captains may wear) when on duty and how silly this would look.
In STO universe however there is a comparable mixed crew wearing all kinds of clothing, which is on Tom Paris ship. But even there, starfleet personnel wears uniform iirc.
Several years ago, before Cryptics devs introduced the Odyssey uniform, there where various Starfleet uniform variants to be seen (which was pretty chaotic imo). To be honest, it is much better now, but (for me) the question remains why do cryptics story writers expect a highly decorated starfleet officer (the players character) not wear Starfleet uniform?
As i said this is not criticism against other players or Cryptic itself, i just want to understand the reasoning behind all this.
One of my captains is a Mirror Universe defector who arrived in a stolen Paradox along with his reprogrammed Holo-Leeta ex-overseer. He wears the Enterprise-era MU uniform complete with dagger. Starfleet allows him to wear his uniform and use MU uniforms for his crew.
No offense against you and your head RP, but this wouldn't work for me TBH. Starfleet would never enlist a mirror universe officer, not even a defector. Not the Starfleet as described from Picard and even Kirks Starfleet. Maybe as civillian member of a crew, but putting him/her into command a full armed ship, that's too much of a strech.
Don't get me wrong i'm not criticising the way you play, but to me it doesn't look very plausible.
Sure Cryptics Starfleet has become bedraggled in it's values and has mutated into a 98% militarized organization, but still i can't imagine that even they would recruit random mercenaries unbound to the prime directive or any other of Starfleets code of values. Starfleet isn't SW rebel alliance.
TNGs Starfleet (2364-2370; you know the ones with those tedious ethics and evolved humanity, no one wants to hear about anymore) would rather try to remove the threat of a mirror renegade flying around in a highly armed battleship in Federation space. But STO handles things like there where groups of people in the US pretending to be police (or military) and the real police (or military) playing along and even enlistening them. (i know bad example)
As i said, STO doesn't make much sense to me.
Of course it's just a game, but every game worlds needs to have a certain set of rules in order to work and make sense. Otherwise we could be 5 year olds again playing in a sandbox and saying "my power action man figure is stronger than yours", "No mine", "No mine", "No mine".....
(Again don't get me wrong i'm not trying to say how other people have to play, it's just the way i see those things.)
Technically in the iconion war they would have enlisted everyone who wanted to join as after the dominion war any ex marquis were given a full pardon and some were offered there starfleet service reinstated. (granted not canon but in the novel Ro eventually became security officer of Ds9 and Chakotay was given a captaincy when Voyager returned home.
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I have a more general question.
From a in universe point of view, are all those special uniforms (like dyson, Na’kuhl, etc.) part of KDF/Starfleet/Republic official uniform code or just for people roleplaying civillians/unaligned characters?
Because in "real" Trek i can't remember any Starfleet personell wearing anything else than uniform on a regular basis (on duty). So what's the (in universe) point of all those uniforms, since we're all supposed to be part of either Starfleet, Klingon Defence force or Romulan Republic Navy?
(a similar question could be asked about all the Cross-Faction Ships in STO, of course)
Don't get me wrong, that's no criticism, i just fail to see the in universe context.
I can't remember where or when I read it (other than the fact that it's been awhile), but apparently Starfleet updated their uniform regulations to allow captains more autonomy in choosing the uniforms for their crew. Sure, hanging out in Admiral Quinn's office in a Botany Bay shirt might be going a bit far, but I'm pretty sure a re-written uniform code was the original logic behind the variety of options under the Uniform designation.
The Klingon Defense Force, on the other hand, probably doesn't give a TRIBBLE as long as you can explain your choice of attire with sufficient force. With a variety of vassal-species and allies, I doubt that the Empire really cares what is worn by KDF captains other than on formal occasions (and if you survive the resulting challenges you'd have earned the right to wear what you darn well please even then). With a less homogeous society than the Federation, the Empire is probably more open to a variety of uniforms. Armored Klingons and Nausicaans, half-naked Gorn and Orions, Lethean mercenaries and Ferasan warriors... while the individual cultures are older, the Empire itself is fairly new, and there's not a lot of standardization within these cultures just yet.
On the Romulan side... well, we're talking about a relatively new militia force (even more recent than the Empire) made up of refugees, farmers, survivors of Tal Shiar oppression, and so on. While they've organized well and become a powerful member of the Alliance, I still don't see what is essentially a group of rebels being especially restrictive.
Makes sense for Klingon Defense Force and Romulan republic and to a certain extend even for Starfleet, but to wear the uniform of a enemy (like the Na'kuhl uniform) seems a bit too far for me.
Don't get me wrong here, other players may do what makes them happy, i don't care much.
I just fail to see a convincing in-universe explanation for myself to make my captains & crew wear something else than Standard uniform (no matter what i think about the looks of the standard uni). On the other hand if the player character where somehow more detached from Starfleet (story wise), like part of a sub division for special operations for example. Then i could see a justification for wearing somekind of fantasy Starfleet uniform for example.
Sure, i understand it's just a game and it would be boring if everyone would wear the same uniform, but to me it feels just strange to be part of Starfleet and not wearing the uniform everyone else (NPCs) does. This may sound silly but i always imagine Kirk or Picard wearing combat armor (or whatever other players Captains may wear) when on duty and how silly this would look.
In STO universe however there is a comparable mixed crew wearing all kinds of clothing, which is on Tom Paris ship. But even there, starfleet personnel wears uniform iirc.
Several years ago, before Cryptics devs introduced the Odyssey uniform, there where various Starfleet uniform variants to be seen (which was pretty chaotic imo). To be honest, it is much better now, but (for me) the question remains why do cryptics story writers expect a highly decorated starfleet officer (the players character) not wear Starfleet uniform?
As i said this is not criticism against other players or Cryptic itself, i just want to understand the reasoning behind all this.
One of my captains is a Mirror Universe defector who arrived in a stolen Paradox along with his reprogrammed Holo-Leeta ex-overseer. He wears the Enterprise-era MU uniform complete with dagger. Starfleet allows him to wear his uniform and use MU uniforms for his crew.
No offense against you and your head RP, but this wouldn't work for me TBH. Starfleet would never enlist a mirror universe officer, not even a defector. Not the Starfleet as described from Picard and even Kirks Starfleet. Maybe as civillian member of a crew, but putting him/her into command a full armed ship, that's too much of a strech.
Don't get me wrong i'm not criticising the way you play, but to me it doesn't look very plausible.
Sure Cryptics Starfleet has become bedraggled in it's values and has mutated into a 98% militarized organization, but still i can't imagine that even they would recruit random mercenaries unbound to the prime directive or any other of Starfleets code of values. Starfleet isn't SW rebel alliance.
TNGs Starfleet (2364-2370; you know the ones with those tedious ethics and evolved humanity, no one wants to hear about anymore) would rather try to remove the threat of a mirror renegade flying around in a highly armed battleship in Federation space. But STO handles things like there where groups of people in the US pretending to be police (or military) and the real police (or military) playing along and even enlistening them. (i know bad example)
As i said, STO doesn't make much sense to me.
Of course it's just a game, but every game worlds needs to have a certain set of rules in order to work and make sense. Otherwise we could be 5 year olds again playing in a sandbox and saying "my power action man figure is stronger than yours", "No mine", "No mine", "No mine".....
(Again don't get me wrong i'm not trying to say how other people have to play, it's just the way i see those things.)
Technically in the iconion war they would have enlisted everyone who wanted to join as after the dominion war any ex marquis were given a full pardon and some were offered there starfleet service reinstated. (granted not canon but in the novel Ro eventually became security officer of Ds9 and Chakotay was given a captaincy when Voyager returned home.
I can't remember Starfleet being willing ot enlist ANYONE after the dominion war, or Cryptics Starfleet being willing to enlist anyone who wants to fight in the iconian war (maybe i just can't remember, but it would only show how "different" Cryptics Starfleet is to the one in the shows).
Since some marquis where actually Starfleet officers, i could imagine that some (which where not involved in terrorist-like acts) could be reinstated to Starfleet, abandonig their officer commisison and serving as non com.
Even then, these are people who have graduated Starfleet Academy and have proven to understand the values of the federation (to some extent). But Starfleet giving command of a Starship to a civillian or even worse a member of the mirror universe*? no way.
That's why i can't understand why so many ppl. are playing non Starfleet characters in STO. Again don't get me wrong i'm not telling anyone how to play, i just fail to understand their reasoning.
*Regarding the mirror universe, i think ppl. who are in charge there are obviously "unstable" to say it mildly and wouldn't pass even the most basic psychological test in "our" Trek universe.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I have a more general question.
From a in universe point of view, are all those special uniforms (like dyson, Na’kuhl, etc.) part of KDF/Starfleet/Republic official uniform code or just for people roleplaying civillians/unaligned characters?
Because in "real" Trek i can't remember any Starfleet personell wearing anything else than uniform on a regular basis (on duty). So what's the (in universe) point of all those uniforms, since we're all supposed to be part of either Starfleet, Klingon Defence force or Romulan Republic Navy?
(a similar question could be asked about all the Cross-Faction Ships in STO, of course)
Don't get me wrong, that's no criticism, i just fail to see the in universe context.
I can't remember where or when I read it (other than the fact that it's been awhile), but apparently Starfleet updated their uniform regulations to allow captains more autonomy in choosing the uniforms for their crew. Sure, hanging out in Admiral Quinn's office in a Botany Bay shirt might be going a bit far, but I'm pretty sure a re-written uniform code was the original logic behind the variety of options under the Uniform designation.
The Klingon Defense Force, on the other hand, probably doesn't give a TRIBBLE as long as you can explain your choice of attire with sufficient force. With a variety of vassal-species and allies, I doubt that the Empire really cares what is worn by KDF captains other than on formal occasions (and if you survive the resulting challenges you'd have earned the right to wear what you darn well please even then). With a less homogeous society than the Federation, the Empire is probably more open to a variety of uniforms. Armored Klingons and Nausicaans, half-naked Gorn and Orions, Lethean mercenaries and Ferasan warriors... while the individual cultures are older, the Empire itself is fairly new, and there's not a lot of standardization within these cultures just yet.
On the Romulan side... well, we're talking about a relatively new militia force (even more recent than the Empire) made up of refugees, farmers, survivors of Tal Shiar oppression, and so on. While they've organized well and become a powerful member of the Alliance, I still don't see what is essentially a group of rebels being especially restrictive.
Makes sense for Klingon Defense Force and Romulan republic and to a certain extend even for Starfleet, but to wear the uniform of a enemy (like the Na'kuhl uniform) seems a bit too far for me.
Don't get me wrong here, other players may do what makes them happy, i don't care much.
I just fail to see a convincing in-universe explanation for myself to make my captains & crew wear something else than Standard uniform (no matter what i think about the looks of the standard uni). On the other hand if the player character where somehow more detached from Starfleet (story wise), like part of a sub division for special operations for example. Then i could see a justification for wearing somekind of fantasy Starfleet uniform for example.
Sure, i understand it's just a game and it would be boring if everyone would wear the same uniform, but to me it feels just strange to be part of Starfleet and not wearing the uniform everyone else (NPCs) does. This may sound silly but i always imagine Kirk or Picard wearing combat armor (or whatever other players Captains may wear) when on duty and how silly this would look.
In STO universe however there is a comparable mixed crew wearing all kinds of clothing, which is on Tom Paris ship. But even there, starfleet personnel wears uniform iirc.
Several years ago, before Cryptics devs introduced the Odyssey uniform, there where various Starfleet uniform variants to be seen (which was pretty chaotic imo). To be honest, it is much better now, but (for me) the question remains why do cryptics story writers expect a highly decorated starfleet officer (the players character) not wear Starfleet uniform?
As i said this is not criticism against other players or Cryptic itself, i just want to understand the reasoning behind all this.
One of my captains is a Mirror Universe defector who arrived in a stolen Paradox along with his reprogrammed Holo-Leeta ex-overseer. He wears the Enterprise-era MU uniform complete with dagger. Starfleet allows him to wear his uniform and use MU uniforms for his crew.
No offense against you and your head RP, but this wouldn't work for me TBH. Starfleet would never enlist a mirror universe officer, not even a defector. Not the Starfleet as described from Picard and even Kirks Starfleet. Maybe as civillian member of a crew, but putting him/her into command a full armed ship, that's too much of a strech.
Don't get me wrong i'm not criticising the way you play, but to me it doesn't look very plausible.
Sure Cryptics Starfleet has become bedraggled in it's values and has mutated into a 98% militarized organization, but still i can't imagine that even they would recruit random mercenaries unbound to the prime directive or any other of Starfleets code of values. Starfleet isn't SW rebel alliance.
TNGs Starfleet (2364-2370; you know the ones with those tedious ethics and evolved humanity, no one wants to hear about anymore) would rather try to remove the threat of a mirror renegade flying around in a highly armed battleship in Federation space. But STO handles things like there where groups of people in the US pretending to be police (or military) and the real police (or military) playing along and even enlistening them. (i know bad example)
As i said, STO doesn't make much sense to me.
Of course it's just a game, but every game worlds needs to have a certain set of rules in order to work and make sense. Otherwise we could be 5 year olds again playing in a sandbox and saying "my power action man figure is stronger than yours", "No mine", "No mine", "No mine".....
(Again don't get me wrong i'm not trying to say how other people have to play, it's just the way i see those things.)
As a matter of those ethics, it should be noted that Starfleet would actually be willing to accept someone from the Mirror Universe. You're saying that because this person is an untrustworthy Terran from an alternate reality that he would never be allowed anywhere near a Captain's chair is as antithetical to Federation values as the intense military profile that Starfleet has had to bear as of late.
Not to say that he would pop into our reality and they would say, "sure go to work" it's not like that. But a Terran captain who had demonstrated that he could accept, abide by, and operate consistently under prime universe Federation values should also have a shot at the Captain's chair. That would include actually graduating from our Starfleet Academy. And Starfleet Command and Intelligence would likely scrutinize every report with an electron microscope. But that doesn't mean they would bar him from command forever.
It's not where you're from, it's where you're going, and the work you put in.
If there's a curious hole in his story it's that his character who defected actually wants to continue wearing his Terran Imperial Uniform. Though maybe he just wants to keep the female crewmembers in that uniform and wants to be fair.
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Well I play a MU captain who has infiltrated by replacing the original captain and fixing the missions to work in the favor of the Terran Empire. Would love to be able to get a mirror universe bridge but doubt it will ever happen now
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Really want to place all those boxes somewhere they do not take place from my normal stuff in bank.
Even better would be stop with those boxes and sell things on z-store instead.....
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
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Players wear weird things. I've come to accept that as an immutable fact, an eternal truth, and mentally close my eyes and pretend they're not there... same reason I keep the chat window closed when in social hubs, really.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
I tend to be on the modern conservative side when it comes to uniforms, at least for Starfleet. When the Devs standardized on the Odyssey uniform for Starfleet, I put some of my characters in a mildly tailored version of that. Others tend to wear variants of the Sierra or Antares uniforms. I don't put them in TOS outfits unless I'm playing a time travel mission and the mood takes me. I try to make them look Starfleet.
My other non-Starfleet characters could end up in anything at all, but I do like to keep to Republic style or RR-Faction uniforms for my Romulan and I'm gravitating toward the Bortas'qu uniforms for KDF.
But yeah, sometimes I try not to think too hard about what other characters around me are wearing... it can be pretty interesting at times.
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Don't get me wrong here, other players may do what makes them happy, i don't care much.
I just fail to see a convincing in-universe explanation for myself to make my captains & crew wear something else than Standard uniform (no matter what i think about the looks of the standard uni). On the other hand if the player character where somehow more detached from Starfleet (story wise), like part of a sub division for special operations for example. Then i could see a justification for wearing somekind of fantasy Starfleet uniform for example.
Sure, i understand it's just a game and it would be boring if everyone would wear the same uniform, but to me it feels just strange to be part of Starfleet and not wearing the uniform everyone else (NPCs) does. This may sound silly but i always imagine Kirk or Picard wearing combat armor (or whatever other players Captains may wear) when on duty and how silly this would look.
In STO universe however there is a comparable mixed crew wearing all kinds of clothing, which is on Tom Paris ship. But even there, starfleet personnel wears uniform iirc.
Several years ago, before Cryptics devs introduced the Odyssey uniform, there where various Starfleet uniform variants to be seen (which was pretty chaotic imo). To be honest, it is much better now, but (for me) the question remains why do cryptics story writers expect a highly decorated starfleet officer (the players character) not wear Starfleet uniform?
As i said this is not criticism against other players or Cryptic itself, i just want to understand the reasoning behind all this.
My character Tsin'xing
One of my captains is a Mirror Universe defector who arrived in a stolen Paradox along with his reprogrammed Holo-Leeta ex-overseer. He wears the Enterprise-era MU uniform complete with dagger. Starfleet allows him to wear his uniform and use MU uniforms for his crew.
Whenever I see the new uniforms I can't help but see:
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Don't get me wrong i'm not criticising the way you play, but to me it doesn't look very plausible.
Sure Cryptics Starfleet has become bedraggled in it's values and has mutated into a 98% militarized organization, but still i can't imagine that even they would recruit random mercenaries unbound to the prime directive or any other of Starfleets code of values. Starfleet isn't SW rebel alliance.
TNGs Starfleet (2364-2370; you know the ones with those tedious ethics and evolved humanity, no one wants to hear about anymore) would rather try to remove the threat of a mirror renegade flying around in a highly armed battleship in Federation space. But STO handles things like there where groups of people in the US pretending to be police (or military) and the real police (or military) playing along and even enlistening them. (i know bad example)
As i said, STO doesn't make much sense to me.
Of course it's just a game, but every game worlds needs to have a certain set of rules in order to work and make sense. Otherwise we could be 5 year olds again playing in a sandbox and saying "my power action man figure is stronger than yours", "No mine", "No mine", "No mine".....
(Again don't get me wrong i'm not trying to say how other people have to play, it's just the way i see those things.)
Technically in the iconion war they would have enlisted everyone who wanted to join as after the dominion war any ex marquis were given a full pardon and some were offered there starfleet service reinstated. (granted not canon but in the novel Ro eventually became security officer of Ds9 and Chakotay was given a captaincy when Voyager returned home.
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Since some marquis where actually Starfleet officers, i could imagine that some (which where not involved in terrorist-like acts) could be reinstated to Starfleet, abandonig their officer commisison and serving as non com.
Even then, these are people who have graduated Starfleet Academy and have proven to understand the values of the federation (to some extent). But Starfleet giving command of a Starship to a civillian or even worse a member of the mirror universe*? no way.
That's why i can't understand why so many ppl. are playing non Starfleet characters in STO. Again don't get me wrong i'm not telling anyone how to play, i just fail to understand their reasoning.
*Regarding the mirror universe, i think ppl. who are in charge there are obviously "unstable" to say it mildly and wouldn't pass even the most basic psychological test in "our" Trek universe.
As a matter of those ethics, it should be noted that Starfleet would actually be willing to accept someone from the Mirror Universe. You're saying that because this person is an untrustworthy Terran from an alternate reality that he would never be allowed anywhere near a Captain's chair is as antithetical to Federation values as the intense military profile that Starfleet has had to bear as of late.
Not to say that he would pop into our reality and they would say, "sure go to work" it's not like that. But a Terran captain who had demonstrated that he could accept, abide by, and operate consistently under prime universe Federation values should also have a shot at the Captain's chair. That would include actually graduating from our Starfleet Academy. And Starfleet Command and Intelligence would likely scrutinize every report with an electron microscope. But that doesn't mean they would bar him from command forever.
It's not where you're from, it's where you're going, and the work you put in.
If there's a curious hole in his story it's that his character who defected actually wants to continue wearing his Terran Imperial Uniform. Though maybe he just wants to keep the female crewmembers in that uniform and wants to be fair.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]