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Why can't we just give the Na'kuhl back their star already?
darthmeow504
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Seriously, that's all they want. All of this strife and killing is over the fact that the Na'kuhl want to save their star and with it their homeworld and billions of their lives and the Temporal Authority doesn't want it saved. The Na'kuhl made repeated diplomatic requests to be allowed to save their star and were denied --can you imagine the Federation even asking permission before doing whatever it took to save Sol and Earth? But they asked nicely, more than once, and were told no. Is it any wonder they chose to go to war? Who wouldn't, in their position?
That's why they're trying to prevent the formation of the Federation, because it becomes the Temporal Authority that is stopping them from saving their world. If we oppose the TA and help the Na'kuhl save their star, we can be heroes and save billions of lives and stop the war before it even starts. That's the Starfleet thing to do.
Sadly, this storyline won't even let us freaking question the whims of the timecops even when their rulings mean genocide against an innocent world. We're being railroaded into atrocities just like Devide et Impera all over again except this time the death toll is in the billions. What. The. Hell.
That's why they're trying to prevent the formation of the Federation, because it becomes the Temporal Authority that is stopping them from saving their world. If we oppose the TA and help the Na'kuhl save their star, we can be heroes and save billions of lives and stop the war before it even starts. That's the Starfleet thing to do.
Sadly, this storyline won't even let us freaking question the whims of the timecops even when their rulings mean genocide against an innocent world. We're being railroaded into atrocities just like Devide et Impera all over again except this time the death toll is in the billions. What. The. Hell.
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There's also the fact that altering the timeline, even in seemingly-beneficient ways, can have far-reaching and unpredictable effects. Remember when we were trying to prevent the Iconian War from even happening? The best result we got from that was a Romulus that had been completely assimilated by the Borg, with the rest of the quadrant struggling mightily to avoid their fate. Who knows what could happen to the balance of powers in the Alpha Quadrant had the Na'khul not suffered the fate they did? We might restore their sun, only to find that this leads to an alliance with the Gamma Jem'Hadar, the resurgence of the Dominion, and the total collapse of both Federation and Empire less than a century hence!
Personally, I'm going to lend an ear to the guys who have experience with timeline alteration and its prevention...
Trying to give them their star back without irrevocably changing history would go about as well as the attempt(s) during the Iconian War... which didn't go well at all. Trying to change time from what it's overall supposed to be more-often-than-not makes things worse, which is something the 29th century understands precisely because of that (and other) incident(s), but the 25th century hasn't grown into yet. And even ignoring that, what if preventing genocide of the Na'kaul dooms dozens of other races to a similar fate by doing so...?
It's a sadistic + cold between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place decision, with no perfect everyone-lives solution... and as we've seen from previous tries, attempts to get/make/force a perfect solution is almost mathematically impossible, with any small deviation capable of affecting galaxy-wide changes. For the 25th century, these centuries-ahead events haven't happened yet, but at the same time 'have happened/are happening' for the 29th century, who have as much right as we do to prevent the history they know from changing
That's what I think
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If there were a time-traveling solution that could keep the timeline intact, completely, while also saving the Na'kuhl star... it would have already been implemented, as well as similar regarding the incident itself. But the fact is that the time-traveler's incident is a point in time - attempting to change or prevent it would just be causing more incidents, more changes never intended + must be fixed, and there would be no perfect solution.
Even for the 25th century this would be true, because upon changing it as you propose (assuming no interference), they would come back to the exact second they left after saving the star, and discover everything they know is different anyway. Why? Because upon saving the Na'kuhl, this creates an alternate 29th century, one with no TA, which allows free re-arranging of the timeline by anyone (good or bad) who has the ability in the future. Then they'd have go back and lose the star anyway, just to make sure things unfold as they should, and prevent the timeline they do know from being tampered...
But the question also is, does the Federation have the right to save one world, when doing so dooms the fate of many other races in the process (or similarly bad things)? Even with their obligation to help, that has to be taken into consideration, because this isn't just a world in the balance; it's the entire timeline.
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If Kal Dano had said that there was too much damage to the star to risk using the Tox Uthat, then that would be fine. But otherwise there is a rather big plot hole with regards to this.
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This is it in a nutshell. Despite the fact that it just happened for us, that star going out already rippled to the 20th and 22nd centuries. It's history before it even happened. So was Kal Dano going back and hiding the Tox on Risa and dying to be found by Enterprise. By the way, Kal Dano was forced to come back by somebody, possibly the Tholians, or whoever was pulling their strings, so they're the ones to blame. They were hunting for the Tox in its native time and couldn't get it, so the Tholians staged an event at Lukari to draw Kal Dano back and take it. Time travel is a gigantic mess.
For all we know, the temporal authorities rigged the whole thing to tie up a bunch of loose ends. If so, Machiavelli would be proud.
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The devices used to destroy the respective stars were different. There is no reason to assume that the same device can fix both. There must be a reason why the Tholians used the Tox Uthat on the Na'Khul star instead of whatever they used on the Lukari star. (and why they use a star-destruction in the first place to attract Kal Dano's attention to get the Tox Uthat.)
It's unfortunately not spelled out in the mission explicitely, but it seems very likely to me that whatever the Tox Uthat does cannot be undone with Kal Dano's device. It's either just too late, or very different.
You see, the thing about that is that one of the survivors (General Vosk) literally became the next Hitler, because we didn't help them. Or did you miss that Enterprise episode?
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