Did you check your trait slots on Tribble? They get reset every time you respec right now, it's a bug.
Open both servers in separate windows and go down the list of EVERY single piece of equipment and traits to make sure the builds are exact. Also check your skill tree on Tribble to make sure you have armor skills maxed out.
Yes I did, please check above, i have added more information.
So for most energy types you're going from ~72 rating to ~42 (with a few points more kinetic resist, but the shift remains 30). That 30 point drop is a suspiciously human-readable number. I would look over your holodeck build and look for a single bonus that's exactly 30 resistance to everything. Is there maybe a fleet bonus you lose when going to Tribble and becoming fleet-less?
Ok, I'll have to look at these details a little closer. But first, a question: Have you respecced on Tribble since the most recent patch? It's possible that the data changes we made may have made your Skills invalid, meaning you won't get the correct benefits from them.
Further... is anyone else experiencing this? At all?
Jeremy Randall
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Ok, I'll have to look at these details a little closer. But first, a question: Have you respecced on Tribble since the most recent patch? It's possible that the data changes we made may have made your Skills invalid, meaning you won't get the correct benefits from them.
Further... is anyone else experiencing this? At all?
So for most energy types you're going from ~72 rating to ~42 (with a few points more kinetic resist, but the shift remains 30). That 30 point drop is a suspiciously human-readable number. I would look over your holodeck build and look for a single bonus that's exactly 30 resistance to everything. Is there maybe a fleet bonus you lose when going to Tribble and becoming fleet-less?
I am in a fleet, but i do not run fleet engineering consoles, everything else is based upon the skills, personal space traits, space reputation, fleet space equipment (I.E. fleet shields, deflector, warp core, impulse engines), and universal reputation space consoles.
Sure. Troubleshooting's a process . Do any of the things that give you resist all give you 30 resist all? (The answer may very well be 'no', which just widens the search)
Sure. Troubleshooting's a process . Do any of the things that give you resist all give you 30 resist all? (The answer may very well be 'no', which just widens the search)
I understand your position here . Please go to page seven and take a look at the stats etc that i have posted. That should provide the answers that you seek.
Edit:
I have posted all of the necessary information on page seven that pertains to this space related topic.
auxiliary power configuration: defensive
* Is your Aux the same on Tribble as it is on Holodeck?
Other than that, I'm not seeing any major differences that could cause the disparity. Still waiting to hear if this is affecting anyone other than you, before I dig into this any further.
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Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
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If your Fleet on Holodeck had ran the Weekly Fleet Buff that increases combat effectiveness, that could account for some of the difference (if not all), as that buff would no longer be applied to you on Tribble.
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auxiliary power configuration: defensive
* Is your Aux the same on Tribble as it is on Holodeck?
Other than that, I'm not seeing any major differences that could cause the disparity. Still waiting to hear if this is affecting anyone other than you, before I dig into this any further.
I have not made any adjustments to my sub system power levels
Ok, finally got to do the check that @borticuscryptic was asking for.
In my Fleet Jupiter in ESD Orbit, stationary, all gear identical on both shards.
Holodeck:
Hull Plating: 84pts
Energy Resists: 56.1%
Tribble:
Energized Hull Plating: 100pts
Energy Resists: 52.0%
There's definitely something odd here.
Update: Went ahead and did an underwear check... with no equipment on the ship:
Holodeck: 41.2%
Tribble: 31%
I've got 16 fewer points to hull plating on Holodeck. If they matched, I imagine the difference would be more significant.
Another Update:
Noticed that we both had the Aux traits. So I unslotted them and it made the discrepancy even bigger (diminishing returns, ho!):
Holodeck: 34.7%
Tribble: 21.1%
I had nearly missed another important detail, i have hull repair maxed on holodeck and also on the tribble server, yet the numbers between the two do not match. Can anyone else confirm this?
Ok, finally got to do the check that @borticuscryptic was asking for.
In my Fleet Jupiter in ESD Orbit, stationary, all gear identical on both shards.
Holodeck:
Hull Plating: 84pts
Energy Resists: 56.1%
Tribble:
Energized Hull Plating: 100pts
Energy Resists: 52.0%
There's definitely something odd here.
Update: Went ahead and did an underwear check... with no equipment on the ship:
Holodeck: 41.2%
Tribble: 31%
I've got 16 fewer points to hull plating on Holodeck. If they matched, I imagine the difference would be more significant.
Another Update:
Noticed that we both had the Aux traits. So I unslotted them and it made the discrepancy even bigger (diminishing returns, ho!):
Holodeck: 34.7%
Tribble: 21.1%
Could you also test the hull repair rate? When I was looking over my previous post, I had compared the hull repair rate on the holodeck server and also on the tribble server, What I had found is that there is a significant discrepancy between the two. Would you please test this and see if you can confirm this?
Ok, finally got to do the check that @borticuscryptic was asking for.
In my Fleet Jupiter in ESD Orbit, stationary, all gear identical on both shards.
Holodeck:
Hull Plating: 84pts
Energy Resists: 56.1%
Tribble:
Energized Hull Plating: 100pts
Energy Resists: 52.0%
There's definitely something odd here.
Update: Went ahead and did an underwear check... with no equipment on the ship:
Holodeck: 41.2%
Tribble: 31%
I've got 16 fewer points to hull plating on Holodeck. If they matched, I imagine the difference would be more significant.
Another Update:
Noticed that we both had the Aux traits. So I unslotted them and it made the discrepancy even bigger (diminishing returns, ho!):
Holodeck: 34.7%
Tribble: 21.1%
Thank you all for the information you have provided.
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100 points in Energized Hull Plating combined with the innate 2% resistance granted to your character from damage recieved accolades appears to correctly be giving you 21.1% resistances. Based on what you described, your Holodeck resistances should be at 21%. Could you verify what you have applying on Holodeck?
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Techie is a boost of 20 Hull Repair and Hull Regeneration on Tribble, and 30 to Hull Repair on Holodeck. Does that explain that discrepancy?
Ok, finally got to do the check that @borticuscryptic was asking for.
In my Fleet Jupiter in ESD Orbit, stationary, all gear identical on both shards.
Holodeck:
Hull Plating: 84pts
Energy Resists: 56.1%
Tribble:
Energized Hull Plating: 100pts
Energy Resists: 52.0%
There's definitely something odd here.
Update: Went ahead and did an underwear check... with no equipment on the ship:
Holodeck: 41.2%
Tribble: 31%
I've got 16 fewer points to hull plating on Holodeck. If they matched, I imagine the difference would be more significant.
Another Update:
Noticed that we both had the Aux traits. So I unslotted them and it made the discrepancy even bigger (diminishing returns, ho!):
Holodeck: 34.7%
Tribble: 21.1%
Thank you all for the information you have provided.
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100 points in Energized Hull Plating combined with the innate 2% resistance granted to your character from damage recieved accolades appears to correctly be giving you 21.1% resistances. Based on what you described, your Holodeck resistances should be at 21%. Could you verify what you have applying on Holodeck?
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Techie is a boost of 20 Hull Repair and Hull Regeneration on Tribble, and 30 to Hull Repair on Holodeck. Does that explain that discrepancy?
i have changed nothing in my personal space traits, reputation traits. I have been mirroring my toons on both servers to make sure that what I post is correct.
Thank you all for the information you have provided.
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100 points in Energized Hull Plating combined with the innate 2% resistance granted to your character from damage recieved accolades appears to correctly be giving you 21.1% resistances. Based on what you described, your Holodeck resistances should be at 21%. Could you verify what you have applying on Holodeck?
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Techie is a boost of 20 Hull Repair and Hull Regeneration on Tribble, and 30 to Hull Repair on Holodeck. Does that explain that discrepancy?
I do not have Techie slotted. I could find nothing else slotted that affects Hull Plating or Damage Resistances.
So the difference between 84 points and 100 points on Holodeck should only be a difference of 0.1% damage resistance?
Thank you all for the information you have provided.
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100 points in Energized Hull Plating combined with the innate 2% resistance granted to your character from damage recieved accolades appears to correctly be giving you 21.1% resistances. Based on what you described, your Holodeck resistances should be at 21%. Could you verify what you have applying on Holodeck?
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Techie is a boost of 20 Hull Repair and Hull Regeneration on Tribble, and 30 to Hull Repair on Holodeck. Does that explain that discrepancy?
I do not have Techie slotted. I could find nothing else slotted that affects Hull Plating or Damage Resistances.
So the difference between 84 points and 100 points on Holodeck should only be a difference of 0.1% damage resistance?
That is not correct; my apologies for misspeaking.
The maximum resistance you should be able to achieve on Holodeck from your skill tree alone is 21%, assuming you have the Damage Resistance accolades. That would require you to have purchased all 9 ranks of threat control and hull plating. If your only source of resistance on Holodeck is 84 points in Hull Plating and that accolade, your resistances should be 12.7%.
Do you have the Threat Control skill purchased on Holodeck? Your Holodeck resistance looks as if you have purchase 6 ranks of Hull Plating, 9 ranks of Threat Control, and have the Tier 3 Combat Performance Boost from your Fleet Research Laboratory active. If that is accurate, then it appears that the discrepancy is likely due to those missing resistances on Tribble.
If your Fleet on Holodeck had ran the Weekly Fleet Buff that increases combat effectiveness, that could account for some of the difference (if not all), as that buff would no longer be applied to you on Tribble.
My apologies for my late response. To answer your question, the only buff i am receiving as of this moment is the combat performance boost (tier 3)
Even with significantly more into the Hull Plating skills, I have less resists on Tribble. I do have the Fleet Combat Performance 3 buff on Holodeck, however. (I can't remember how much this provides.) Is there any other information I can provide that could help?
If you want copies of this character, it's Kinanra@dragonsbrethren for Holodeck and Kinanra 9@dragonsbrethren for Tribble.
Even with significantly more into the Hull Plating skills, I have less resists on Tribble. I do have the Fleet Combat Performance 3 buff on Holodeck, however. (I can't remember how much this provides.) Is there any other information I can provide that could help?
If you want copies of this character, it's Kinanra@dragonsbrethren for Holodeck and Kinanra 9@dragonsbrethren for Tribble.
you have threat control, which gives resists
threat control as it is on holodeck doesn't exist on tribble, being split up between a toggle power and an unlock, neither of which (to my knowledge) offer resists - i'd say that's where your discrepancy is
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Thank you all for the help tracking down this issue. Based on the information you all have provided, I believe the discrepancies are due to the lack of a Combat Performance Boost on Tribble. The Hull Plating, Ablative Hull Plating and Energized Hull Plating skills offer as much resistance as is currently available through Hull Plating, Armor Reinforcements, and Threat Control combined.
@Dragonsbrethren, thank you for the very in-depth comment. The resistance sources you posted do not appear to match the resistance values that your character has. I believe that they work out correctly if you have a Mark XII Iconian Resistance Deflector Array equipped, and if you have the Nukara Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense reputation slotted on Holodeck, but not on Tribble. Are those two statements correct?
If those statements are in fact true, then your resistance values with the Combat Performance Boost and Nukara Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense active would go up to 44.3% for Kinetic damage and 39.2% for Energy damage. If you chose to only purchase the Hull Plating skill, and did not chose to purchase the Ablative Hull Plating and Energized Hull Plating skills, your resistance values would be 41.6% for Kinetic damage and 35.7% for Energy damage.
If there is a Tribble Fleet that can run the Tier 3 Combat Performance Boost project, I would appreciate the confirmation that that is what is causing the discrepancies, and not a different issue that needs additional investigation.
Ok, So I went and copied a toon over to the Redshirt server to do studies and comparisons to the toon I have on the holodeck server. I chose the red shirt server because it is still in it’s pre season 11.5 state, so this should provide us a more accurate detail of the resistances.
I made sure that nothing was changed in order to get a more accurate report.
Upon my login into the Redshirt Server, my toon is not in a fleet, so that alone will prevent any fleet buffs from affecting the ship’s combat performance. Well, from my findings, I have found that the resistances on the redshirt server to be much lower then the resistances on the toon on the holodeck server.
With this new information, I do believe that the information that we are using may be incorrect. I am requesting help with this to confirm these findings.
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Yes I did, please check above, i have added more information.
Further... is anyone else experiencing this? At all?
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
yes, I just respecced about an hour ago.
I am in a fleet, but i do not run fleet engineering consoles, everything else is based upon the skills, personal space traits, space reputation, fleet space equipment (I.E. fleet shields, deflector, warp core, impulse engines), and universal reputation space consoles.
I understand your position here
Edit:
I have posted all of the necessary information on page seven that pertains to this space related topic.
auxiliary power configuration: defensive
* Is your Aux the same on Tribble as it is on Holodeck?
Other than that, I'm not seeing any major differences that could cause the disparity. Still waiting to hear if this is affecting anyone other than you, before I dig into this any further.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
If your Fleet on Holodeck had ran the Weekly Fleet Buff that increases combat effectiveness, that could account for some of the difference (if not all), as that buff would no longer be applied to you on Tribble.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
I have not made any adjustments to my sub system power levels
Holodeck server:
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Tribble server:
All of the information I have posted is from ESD.
To be clear here - you're looking at your ship stats on Earth Space Dock, a ground map?
Could you check in a system map, such as Sol System, and compare those stats?
All of the information I have posted is taken out in space.
Edit: i took them while in standard earth orbit.
Is this a Cruiser with the Attract Fire command ability? If so, is it active when you're looking at your stats on Holodeck in ESD orbit?
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In my Fleet Jupiter in ESD Orbit, stationary, all gear identical on both shards.
Holodeck:
Hull Plating: 84pts
Energy Resists: 56.1%
Tribble:
Energized Hull Plating: 100pts
Energy Resists: 52.0%
There's definitely something odd here.
Update: Went ahead and did an underwear check... with no equipment on the ship:
Holodeck: 41.2%
Tribble: 31%
I've got 16 fewer points to hull plating on Holodeck. If they matched, I imagine the difference would be more significant.
Another Update:
Noticed that we both had the Aux traits. So I unslotted them and it made the discrepancy even bigger (diminishing returns, ho!):
Holodeck: 34.7%
Tribble: 21.1%
Thank you for testing this and providing your input on this issue.
Could you also test the hull repair rate? When I was looking over my previous post, I had compared the hull repair rate on the holodeck server and also on the tribble server, What I had found is that there is a significant discrepancy between the two. Would you please test this and see if you can confirm this?
Thank you all for the information you have provided.
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100 points in Energized Hull Plating combined with the innate 2% resistance granted to your character from damage recieved accolades appears to correctly be giving you 21.1% resistances. Based on what you described, your Holodeck resistances should be at 21%. Could you verify what you have applying on Holodeck?
---
Techie is a boost of 20 Hull Repair and Hull Regeneration on Tribble, and 30 to Hull Repair on Holodeck. Does that explain that discrepancy?
i have changed nothing in my personal space traits, reputation traits. I have been mirroring my toons on both servers to make sure that what I post is correct.
I do not have Techie slotted. I could find nothing else slotted that affects Hull Plating or Damage Resistances.
So the difference between 84 points and 100 points on Holodeck should only be a difference of 0.1% damage resistance?
That is not correct; my apologies for misspeaking.
The maximum resistance you should be able to achieve on Holodeck from your skill tree alone is 21%, assuming you have the Damage Resistance accolades. That would require you to have purchased all 9 ranks of threat control and hull plating. If your only source of resistance on Holodeck is 84 points in Hull Plating and that accolade, your resistances should be 12.7%.
Do you have the Threat Control skill purchased on Holodeck? Your Holodeck resistance looks as if you have purchase 6 ranks of Hull Plating, 9 ranks of Threat Control, and have the Tier 3 Combat Performance Boost from your Fleet Research Laboratory active. If that is accurate, then it appears that the discrepancy is likely due to those missing resistances on Tribble.
My apologies for my late response. To answer your question, the only buff i am receiving as of this moment is the combat performance boost (tier 3)
Holodeck
Starship Threat Control: +54
Starship Hull Plating: +54
Starship Armor Reinforcements: +54
Kinetic Resist: 41.1%
Energy Resists: 35.0%
Starship Hull Repair: +99
Hull Repair Rate: 107.5%/min
Aux Power: 48/30
Tribble
Energized Hull Plating: +100%
Ablative Hull Plating: +100%
Kinetic Resist: 30.4%
Energy Resists: 21.1%
Hull Restoration: +100
Hull Repair Rate: 90%/min
Aux Power: 47/30
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Even with significantly more into the Hull Plating skills, I have less resists on Tribble. I do have the Fleet Combat Performance 3 buff on Holodeck, however. (I can't remember how much this provides.) Is there any other information I can provide that could help?
If you want copies of this character, it's Kinanra@dragonsbrethren for Holodeck and Kinanra 9@dragonsbrethren for Tribble.
threat control as it is on holodeck doesn't exist on tribble, being split up between a toggle power and an unlock, neither of which (to my knowledge) offer resists - i'd say that's where your discrepancy is
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@Dragonsbrethren, thank you for the very in-depth comment. The resistance sources you posted do not appear to match the resistance values that your character has. I believe that they work out correctly if you have a Mark XII Iconian Resistance Deflector Array equipped, and if you have the Nukara Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense reputation slotted on Holodeck, but not on Tribble. Are those two statements correct?
If those statements are in fact true, then your resistance values with the Combat Performance Boost and Nukara Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense active would go up to 44.3% for Kinetic damage and 39.2% for Energy damage. If you chose to only purchase the Hull Plating skill, and did not chose to purchase the Ablative Hull Plating and Energized Hull Plating skills, your resistance values would be 41.6% for Kinetic damage and 35.7% for Energy damage.
If there is a Tribble Fleet that can run the Tier 3 Combat Performance Boost project, I would appreciate the confirmation that that is what is causing the discrepancies, and not a different issue that needs additional investigation.
I made sure that nothing was changed in order to get a more accurate report.
Upon my login into the Redshirt Server, my toon is not in a fleet, so that alone will prevent any fleet buffs from affecting the ship’s combat performance. Well, from my findings, I have found that the resistances on the redshirt server to be much lower then the resistances on the toon on the holodeck server.
Here are the current resistances:
Kinetic Resist: 27.9%
Phaser Resist: 23.8%
Disruptor Resist: 23.8%
Plasma Resist: 23.8%
Tetryon Resist: 23.8%
Poloran Resist: 23.8%
AntiProton Resist: 23.8%
With this new information, I do believe that the information that we are using may be incorrect. I am requesting help with this to confirm these findings.