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Tribble: Plasmonic Leech Stealth Nerf?
alphahydri
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So, I just imported all my characters to Tribble to see what their current stats are with the new skill system revamp, and I'm now very agitated by what I saw...
With max points in the new "Drain Expertise" skill, and two Mk XIV UR Embassy Drain Expertise consoles (171.2 Drain Expertise) on Tribble my Plasmonic Leech was getting 1.9 drain per hit with weapons. With the same setup on Holodeck now (170.2 Flow Capacitors) I can get 2.7 drain per hit with weapons. In total that's about a 30% reduction in effectiveness between servers.
For a more stripped-down approach, if you took those Embassy consoles out and only maxed out Flow Capacitors on Holodeck, you'd boost Plasmonic Leech's base effectiveness from 1 drain per hit to 2 drain per hit. Now if you max out "Drain Expertise" you boost its base effectiveness from 1 drain per hit to 1.5 drain per hit. Numbers aside, my only real question is: WHY?
It would've been an easier pill to swallow if it had actually been announced in some patch notes or talked about, but since everything official I've read about the skill revamp has said stats are a 1:1 conversion I figured nothing would have changed, but boy was I wrong. Communication is a nice thing to have between game developers and gamers, but I feel like the mark is missed with STO more often than I would like. People, including me, have spent hundreds of millions of EC and maybe even some Dilithium or real-world money on obtaining these Plasmonic Leeches, and to suddenly have its effectiveness reduced by 30% without being told is not okay.
The last time an MMO I played made such drastic changes to a game's core system like this it didn't go over well with a lot of people and eventually I and many others lost interest in that game entirely. I REALLY don't want that to be the case with STO, because I truly love this game, but if I can't get solid information about changes that are being made and how they affect my characters it's going to leave a sour taste in my mouth. I understand that this is a work-in-progress, but a little blurb about it in the patch notes isn't much to ask for unless the goal was to keep it under wraps and hope nobody would notice.
With max points in the new "Drain Expertise" skill, and two Mk XIV UR Embassy Drain Expertise consoles (171.2 Drain Expertise) on Tribble my Plasmonic Leech was getting 1.9 drain per hit with weapons. With the same setup on Holodeck now (170.2 Flow Capacitors) I can get 2.7 drain per hit with weapons. In total that's about a 30% reduction in effectiveness between servers.
For a more stripped-down approach, if you took those Embassy consoles out and only maxed out Flow Capacitors on Holodeck, you'd boost Plasmonic Leech's base effectiveness from 1 drain per hit to 2 drain per hit. Now if you max out "Drain Expertise" you boost its base effectiveness from 1 drain per hit to 1.5 drain per hit. Numbers aside, my only real question is: WHY?
It would've been an easier pill to swallow if it had actually been announced in some patch notes or talked about, but since everything official I've read about the skill revamp has said stats are a 1:1 conversion I figured nothing would have changed, but boy was I wrong. Communication is a nice thing to have between game developers and gamers, but I feel like the mark is missed with STO more often than I would like. People, including me, have spent hundreds of millions of EC and maybe even some Dilithium or real-world money on obtaining these Plasmonic Leeches, and to suddenly have its effectiveness reduced by 30% without being told is not okay.
The last time an MMO I played made such drastic changes to a game's core system like this it didn't go over well with a lot of people and eventually I and many others lost interest in that game entirely. I REALLY don't want that to be the case with STO, because I truly love this game, but if I can't get solid information about changes that are being made and how they affect my characters it's going to leave a sour taste in my mouth. I understand that this is a work-in-progress, but a little blurb about it in the patch notes isn't much to ask for unless the goal was to keep it under wraps and hope nobody would notice.
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Just some numbers to wrap your head around:
Holodeck: Max FlowCap skill + fleet buffs = 2.1 power per stack of PlasLeech
Tribble: Max DrainX skill + fleet buffs + 3x Embassy FlowCap Consoles MK14 Epic = 2.1 power per stack of PlasLeech
So now you need 3 flowcap consoles (basically the minimum you need to spec into drain builds) is required to EQUAL what you had before without any consoles.
Of all the things in STO that needed a nerf, Science abilities and Science in general was NEVER one of them.
I'll have to test with my main later this weekend, as I also relay heavily on plasmonic leech and flow caps for .... Dmg
Assuming again that it is a nerf, not just a glitch in the system. Post this over in the tribble forums. If after the proper feedback processes is followed through and this makes it to season 11.5 you can start talking about this as a nerf. As it is though, this is an unexpected thing with a feature in testing. Treat it as such.
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I mean some of them seem to have influential flow caps too which, under the change, will grand influential power insulators as well.
Is that affecting the leech perhaps?
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From the looks of it it's just not scaling correctly. Alternatively certain buffs aren't applying but that depends on what the intermediate values of the drain are, not just max and base.
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You didn't get nerfed...it's just the changes to damage the skills do in the new system...
ummm...what's the difference.
About time.
This is also a nice step in making cannon-scorts more competitive with FAW-boats, due to their superiour power consumption mechanics.
Perhaps to mitigate the loss of drain from some of the other builds, which, admittedly does seem to harm drain builds, they'll reduce the overall drain resistance on NPCs. I could see that being a fair tradeoff.
Erm hu? My 100k cannon escort would not be a 100k cannon escort without the leech.
This nerf is BAD for everybody if true.
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Oh yea that’s the way it is. All DPS boats make use of sci stuff a great deal. Always have.
Embassy consoles (plasma explosions +flow), energy syphon (nandi trait) now feedback pulse (krenim trait).
Nerf DPS over sci abilities will directly mean nerf sci abilities.
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I more and more start to believe that this is what the skill revamp (right along with a change to every single piece of gear in game) is all about.
Hope they are smart enough to see that DPS builds are a massive sync with tac powers to be only one part of it. Take away the DEEPZ over sci will hurt the fans only a bit while hurting the rest much more.
If I do 100k or 80k in ISA is not that big of a concern for me. Setting back all the 10k peeps to 5 would be however. Not to mention the sci or eng peeps which use the stuff for other purposes than plain DPS.
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There is a feedback forum and a feedback thread for these changes on Tribble. Use it.
I've seen too many MMOs out there be ruined by a sheer lack of communication between the developers and the players, with the devs making seemingly arbitrary changes to core game mechanics, stats, and items without any real explanation, warning, or justification for their actions. I'd hate to see STO be added to that list.
With that in mind I decided to put it here, where it can get a lot more attention from the general public and make the issue more well-known to everyone, not just those who are already posting feedback in the official forum.
I agree!
This is what I've seen. They kind of messed with things that boost high DPS tactical builds (in the skill tree). They've replaced them with other things to make it not as blatant, but it hurts non-tacs even more. I almost want to ask for a career retrain token with this revamp...but, likely, I'll just take an extended break until it gets straightened out, if ever.
Ok, I was wrong. It's still a little bit too early to panic. It's highly likely that this will be fixed soon.
So you think the general forum is a better alternative (where there's more people, a greater variety of topics, and less reason for interested devs to check for feedback or bug reports relevant to upcoming system changes?)
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