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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,559 Community Moderator
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    most don't even understand what a DDos attack is. Or the expense involved in mitigating their effects.

    Agreed.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • spearhawk2013spearhawk2013 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    most don't even understand what a DDos attack is. Or the expense involved in mitigating their effects.

    Yeah better to just shut down the servers and call it quits cause losing customers/players that get tired o this is going to be so healthy for business that its better to bail and cash in while peeps can.

    Or you think if this continues for another 6 months that players is gonna love sitting around and wait at prime gametime? There is always something new on the horizon and if you can't play then move on to the next game

  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me

    Q: What do you call a Fly without any wings?
    A: A Walk

    Consider yourself Entertained.
  • tygerzztygerzz Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    really:(((((
    I understand the ddos attacks happen but criptic also needs to respond and start extending thing how much time have we lost and events are expected to be finshed in x number of days, who suffers if it gets exteneded an extra day or two, no one!!
    extend the event, extend the discount, extend the weekend bouns
  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    tygerzz wrote: »
    really:(((((
    I understand the ddos attacks happen but criptic also needs to respond and start extending thing how much time have we lost and events are expected to be finshed in x number of days, who suffers if it gets exteneded an extra day or two, no one!!
    extend the event, extend the discount, extend the weekend bouns

    IF it went on more than 20 hours, they would extend events. We are at just over 1 hour, it sucks to be sure but lets have some perspective.

    Call it an unscheduled downtime and move on.
  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    It looks like NWXbox players are cheering him on today for the freethewards operation..

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1211888/trade-bar-store-changes-on-xbox-one

    (Yes... I've been lurking on Twitter...)
  • spearhawk2013spearhawk2013 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me

    Q: What do you call a Fly without any wings?
    A: A Walk

    Consider yourself Entertained.

    what do you call a cardassian captain on a sea vessel?
    a sea gull

    *cackle*

  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,559 Community Moderator
    The What Operation?
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me

    Q: What do you call a Fly without any wings?
    A: A Walk

    Consider yourself Entertained.

    what do you call a cardassian captain on a sea vessel?
    a sea gull

    *cackle*

    Ah c'mon ive only heard that every day this week!
  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Free the wards... (refining items)

    EDIT... Cannot spell worth a hoot... yay for turning 50 today... the end is nigh)
  • spiritwalker1969spiritwalker1969 Member Posts: 406 Arc User
    The thought occurs if there is any action that could be taken against those requesting his services ... after all they are inciting a crime. If they happen to be console kiddies then might more details be available from console warranties etc ... just match the email to the request account
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me

    Q: What do you call a Fly without any wings?
    A: A Walk

    Consider yourself Entertained.

    what do you call a cardassian captain on a sea vessel?
    a sea gull

    *cackle*

    Ah c'mon ive only heard that every day this week!

    Q needs some new jokes, pretty sure that one has been around for quite a few anniversaries now.

  • fleudermausfleudermaus Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Considering they have a posted warning from the individual responsible as the souce of the problem actually POSTS a boast about it - you'd think it would be pretty simple for Perfect World Legal to get a writ/subpoena and put a rather abrupt end to all this nonsense.
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  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    The thought occurs if there is any action that could be taken against those requesting his services ... after all they are inciting a crime. If they happen to be console kiddies then might more details be available from console warranties etc ... just match the email to the request account
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me

    Q: What do you call a Fly without any wings?
    A: A Walk

    Consider yourself Entertained.

    what do you call a cardassian captain on a sea vessel?
    a sea gull

    *cackle*

    Ah c'mon ive only heard that every day this week!

    Q needs some new jokes, pretty sure that one has been around for quite a few anniversaries now.

    Sadly it did make me chuckle the first time lol.
  • rocketbunny1rocketbunny1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    most don't even understand what a DDos attack is. Or the expense involved in mitigating their effects.


    If it was only twice a year I think most of us could deal with that. This is now a weekly or more occurance. Also you can bet the DDos attacks against this game are no where near as sophisticated as the ones on the pentagon ;)


  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    most don't even understand what a DDos attack is. Or the expense involved in mitigating their effects.


    If it was only twice a year I think most of us could deal with that. This is now a weekly or more occurance. Also you can bet the DDos attacks against this game are no where near as sophisticated as the ones on the pentagon ;)


    This is the 2nd ive had in 4 months, given my gaming hours may be different to yours.

    The fact of its sophistication should tell you how this guy is gonna be wishing for "Soap on a Rope" pretty soon.
  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    looking good to be back up now......
  • spiritwalker1969spiritwalker1969 Member Posts: 406 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    The thought occurs if there is any action that could be taken against those requesting his services ... after all they are inciting a crime. If they happen to be console kiddies then might more details be available from console warranties etc ... just match the email to the request account
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me

    Q: What do you call a Fly without any wings?
    A: A Walk

    Consider yourself Entertained.

    what do you call a cardassian captain on a sea vessel?
    a sea gull

    *cackle*

    Ah c'mon ive only heard that every day this week!

    Q needs some new jokes, pretty sure that one has been around for quite a few anniversaries now.

    Sadly it did make me chuckle the first time lol.

    What about the 300 times afterwards?

  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    most don't even understand what a DDos attack is. Or the expense involved in mitigating their effects.


    If it was only twice a year I think most of us could deal with that. This is now a weekly or more occurance. Also you can bet the DDos attacks against this game are no where near as sophisticated as the ones on the pentagon ;)

    arani1 wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    Still amazed at the folks who think a small-time company like Cryptic can prevent DDoS attacks when the freaking Pentagon gets successfully hit about twice a year.

    most don't even understand what a DDos attack is. Or the expense involved in mitigating their effects.


    If it was only twice a year I think most of us could deal with that. This is now a weekly or more occurance. Also you can bet the DDos attacks against this game are no where near as sophisticated as the ones on the pentagon ;)


    This is the 2nd ive had in 4 months, given my gaming hours may be different to yours.

    The fact of its sophistication should tell you how this guy is gonna be wishing for "Soap on a Rope" pretty soon.

    This has been happening about once a week for the last couple of months. Not always one the same day or time, of course.

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    arani1 wrote: »
    The thought occurs if there is any action that could be taken against those requesting his services ... after all they are inciting a crime. If they happen to be console kiddies then might more details be available from console warranties etc ... just match the email to the request account
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    arani1 wrote: »
    ok so right now the guy has them by the short and curlies, but do you really believe he isnt going to get caught? Every time he attacks he gets closer to a guy who wants to call him Julie!

    Didn't this guy turn out to be from outside the US? Makes it a lot harder for Cryptic to get at him through legal means.

    Im sure some swedish official is ready to assist :p

    what exacly are you implying? that its allowed to ddos someone from sweden. its not. we have jails too. and id like to put this guy in the gulag for what he does.

    /sigh

    I could explain but im way too bored waiting for the launcher to launch.

    Im not, so chug chug, let me hear it, entertain me

    Q: What do you call a Fly without any wings?
    A: A Walk

    Consider yourself Entertained.

    what do you call a cardassian captain on a sea vessel?
    a sea gull

    *cackle*

    Ah c'mon ive only heard that every day this week!

    Q needs some new jokes, pretty sure that one has been around for quite a few anniversaries now.

    Sadly it did make me chuckle the first time lol.

    What about the 300 times afterwards?

    Gagg reflex.

  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    The server is back up. Praise the Trendy!

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • arani1arani1 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    Back up now so Mr Spotty has either given up or Cryptic won, 1.5 hr downtime not so bad imo.
  • johnstark#7834 johnstark Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    I started playing this game just after Christmas 2015 as a F2P to see if I would like it. STO was a different game than I expected, but in a really good way. It has a lot to offer, especially as it caters to many different play styles.

    After the New I decided I like the game after a few weeks of trying it to subscribe, figuring it opens up some game features for me and gives a bit of money to Perfect World to support the game. Spent the next few weeks really getting into the game, and was considering going paying for a lifetime sub. My wife likes to play games as well, and I have 4 kids who like computer games, so... do the math.

    Well, February has seen a ton of server down time that has kept me from being able to play the game when I have the time to do so. Add in the "shuttle" bug, lag, and other bugs in general, and I've decided that as much as I really like this game, I will be cancelling my sub for STO and move on to other games.

    Excuses about how they can't stop DDOS attacks and blah blah blah are nothing more than that, excuses. I'm paying for a service, and if they can't provide it, then they have lost not only my subscription, but any subs my wife and I were considering for her and the kids.

    I've played a fair number of MMOs, and the situation with this game is absurd. If Perfect World and/or Cryptic are so small fry that they can't handle some reject hacker repeatedly attacking their servers, then they don't deserve my money and I'll take my business elsewhere.

    Great game, but I pay for entertainment to enjoy when I'm not working and handling my other responsibilities in life. I expect service for the money I'm paying, and I'm not getting it for the past several weeks.
  • spiritwalker1969spiritwalker1969 Member Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    I started playing this game just after Christmas 2015 as a F2P to see if I would like it. STO was a different game than I expected, but in a really good way. It has a lot to offer, especially as it caters to many different play styles.

    After the New I decided I like the game after a few weeks of trying it to subscribe, figuring it opens up some game features for me and gives a bit of money to Perfect World to support the game. Spent the next few weeks really getting into the game, and was considering going paying for a lifetime sub. My wife likes to play games as well, and I have 4 kids who like computer games, so... do the math.

    Well, February has seen a ton of server down time that has kept me from being able to play the game when I have the time to do so. Add in the "shuttle" bug, lag, and other bugs in general, and I've decided that as much as I really like this game, I will be cancelling my sub for STO and move on to other games.

    Excuses about how they can't stop DDOS attacks and blah blah blah are nothing more than that, excuses. I'm paying for a service, and if they can't provide it, then they have lost not only my subscription, but any subs my wife and I were considering for her and the kids.

    I've played a fair number of MMOs, and the situation with this game is absurd. If Perfect World and/or Cryptic are so small fry that they can't handle some reject hacker repeatedly attacking their servers, then they don't deserve my money and I'll take my business elsewhere.

    Great game, but I pay for entertainment to enjoy when I'm not working and handling my other responsibilities in life. I expect service for the money I'm paying, and I'm not getting it for the past several weeks.

    The decision to subscribe or not is 100% your own and nobody is going to argue with you, however I ask that you consider the following -
    • The issue is not the ability to stop the attacks, nor is it anything to do with a refusal to do so. It has been pointed out several times and in several discussions that a public forum is not the place to discuss what action is being taken.
    • In order to truly stop the attacks, the originating source needs to be traced and this takes time.
    • Cryptic, unlike some other companies, usually do recompense us by extending events or extra free giveaways.
    • Have you (or anyone else for that matter) considered that perhaps the reason these attacks are being ALLOWED to continue is that each attack generates information which the relevant authorities can use to permanently end at least this source of disruption.
    • Similarly taking the server for Neverwinter away (or any other game) will not solve this in fact it WILL have the opposite effect - the attacks will increase.
    • Each person who leaves because of these attacks only achieves one thing - they further boost the ego's of those responsible (who BTW as I type are in the Neverwinter server celebrating their apparent victory and posting the fact to Twitter)

  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    The decision to subscribe or not is 100% your own and nobody is going to argue with you, however I ask that you consider the following -

    That is not always the case :D

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • spiritwalker1969spiritwalker1969 Member Posts: 406 Arc User
    The decision to subscribe or not is 100% your own and nobody is going to argue with you, however I ask that you consider the following -

    That is not always the case :D

    True, I forgot to consider the argumentative elements .... perhaps I should rephrase - "I'm not going to argue with you about it"

  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    Gotta give "god" credit... he certainly has balls to state whate zone and instance he was in, when the game cane back up...

    Anyone have an idea why he can still play at all?
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    tousseau wrote: »
    Gotta give "god" credit... he certainly has balls to state whate zone and instance he was in, when the game cane back up...

    Anyone have an idea why he can still play at all?

    Not really. Unless he gives a handle, it's no easier to find him than any other random player. And that's assuming he is even telling the truth at all.

    The-Grand-Nagus
    Join Date: Sep 2008

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  • spiritwalker1969spiritwalker1969 Member Posts: 406 Arc User
    tousseau wrote: »
    Gotta give "god" credit... he certainly has balls to state whate zone and instance he was in, when the game cane back up...

    Anyone have an idea why he can still play at all?

    As things stand, he has the best of both worlds - he can both play and disrupt the game at will. Take away the former and what remains?

    Cryptic probably don't want to take the chance that he will escalate his actions if he is excluded whilst he has the ability to attack. Although, I am guessing that there are some of the community who will disagree with this philosophy.


  • jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    Once again - the team is aware whenever the DDoS attacks occur. Clogging the General Discussion with these kinds of topics, repeatedly, is not helping to anyone & only gives undesired attention to the person doing them.
    /Closed.
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